"Intermediary midi mapping" software *discussion thread* (Traktor mapping is a pain)

**MiL0** · 11-04-2011, 06:15 AM

yeah, expensive if you wanted to buy 2 or more... its also a shame that there isn't an easy way to mount them in a custom diy midi case (the case is glued shut apparently).

**ToS** · 11-05-2011, 07:14 AM

Ow those things were called stribe before, could it be the same guy or someone ripping off his idea?

**MiL0** · 11-08-2011, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by ToS

Ow those things were called stribe before, could it be the same guy or someone ripping off his idea?

same company - this new version is more of a mainstream product compared to the stribe which was more for the diy/arduino market.

**decon** · 11-11-2011, 02:44 PM

Sorry for the late reply, but I've been moving to a new apartment.

What I mean by "working bad" is that it doesn't register all the button presses. It seems really random. The output that dump.exe shows isn't the same as the setup in Korg Kontrol Editor. So if I press a note D#2 (shown in the korg software) it shows up as a G1. It's really inconsistent too. I can hammer away on a button 10-20 times and it only shows half the inputs.

**zestoi** · 11-11-2011, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by decon

Sorry for the late reply, but I've been moving to a new apartment.

What I mean by "working bad" is that it doesn't register all the button presses. It seems really random. The output that dump.exe shows isn't the same as the setup in Korg Kontrol Editor. So if I press a note D#2 (shown in the korg software) it shows up as a G1. It's really inconsistent too. I can hammer away on a button 10-20 times and it only shows half the inputs.

that's not good - also pretty odd. the only midimasher code in dump.exe is the part that decodes the first two bytes of the midi message - to work out if it's a note, cc or pc. the rest of that code is basically just an example included in the RtMidi lib - so it's unlikely (not impossible ofc) to be losing data if the nanopad actually sent it. you're sure it's missing data and just not that the hits aren't registered by the nanopad? people often say that u can't hammer it too fast else it won't respond to all the hits - also that the mk2 is worse than the mk1 for that. i've never seen missed data when using my lpd8 - the pads are pretty responsive on that.

could u paste the debug line from a pad where u think it's decoding the wrong thing? i'd understand if it was an octave out due to different interpretations of where midi note 0 starts from, but to be actually the wrong note or cc is bad.

**zestoi** · 11-11-2011, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by decon

The output that dump.exe shows isn't the same as the setup in Korg Kontrol Editor.

i've never had issues with the editor when editting my nanokontrol but i know people have reported some flakyness. there is a slim chance that the RtMidi lib isn't passing me the right bytes - but i'm sure i'd have seen issues with other configs by now if that was the case.

midi-ox is always the app i fallback on to really verify the raw midi data. if midi-ox disagrees with your korg editor then it's the korg editor that is wrong or just not being able to update your nano.

edit: tho ofc an easy way would be to click *learn*in traktor and hit the pad - see what it says. it should be one octave (i think) out from what midimasher decodes it as.

**decon** · 11-11-2011, 03:22 PM

Sure thing. The current setup:

I start dump.exe, press on button 1 and 2 works, but not 3. When I press button 4 in the top right corner I get CC5 as output :S Button 5 just doesn't work and button 6 gives me a correct out. As for 7-12 I don't get any output at all.

Code:

CC         0 127     0xb1 0x00 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         0 0       0xb1 0x00 0x00  chan=2 
CC         0 127     0xb1 0x00 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         0 0       0xb1 0x00 0x00  chan=2 
CC         0 127     0xb1 0x00 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         1 127     0xb1 0x01 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         1 0       0xb1 0x01 0x00  chan=2 
CC         1 127     0xb1 0x01 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         1 0       0xb1 0x01 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         5 0       0xb1 0x05 0x00  chan=2 
CC         5 127     0xb1 0x05 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         4 0       0xb1 0x04 0x00  chan=2 
CC         6 127     0xb1 0x06 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         6 0       0xb1 0x06 0x00  chan=2 
CC         6 127     0xb1 0x06 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         6 0       0xb1 0x06 0x00  chan=2 
CC         6 127     0xb1 0x06 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         6 0       0xb1 0x06 0x00  chan=2 
CC         6 127     0xb1 0x06 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         6 0       0xb1 0x06 0x00  chan=2 
CC         6 127     0xb1 0x06 0x7f  chan=2 
CC         6 0       0xb1 0x06 0x00  chan=2 
NoteOn    D1 24      0x91 0x26 0x18  chan=2 
CC         4 127     0xb1 0x04 0x7f  chan=2

**zestoi** · 11-11-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by decon

Sure thing. The current setup:

I start dump.exe, press on button 1 and 2 works, but not 3. When I press button 4 in the top right corner I get CC5 as output :S Button 5 just doesn't work and button 6 gives me a correct out. As for 7-12 I don't get any output at all.

cheers for that info. well the decode does match the raw midi data, mostly cc's on midi channel 2 - so no issues there. the "button 4 in the top right corner I get CC5" sounds like a typical nanopad issue, pressing the pad is actually triggering the one next to it.

there is a noteon for your pad8 in that dump, but oddly no note off. u have no reliability issues when using your nanopad with other software? ofc i hope it's not your nanopad but i can't see why RtMidi would be totally losing that data. it has no issues when streaming all the beatphase etc from traktor. i've tested it with up to about 500 events a second without any losses, so don't think it's that.

no issues using those bottom pads just with traktor etc? or even better midi-ox ofc - tho it can be a bit confusing the first time u run it.

must admit i've never had any issues with my nanokontrol, tho i guess i don't *hit* those pads as they're tiny and not velocity sensitive. my nanokey hasn't ever given me any issues either.

**decon** · 11-11-2011, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by zestoi

cheers for that info. well the decode does match the raw midi data, mostly cc's on midi channel 2 - so no issues there. the "button 4 in the top right corner I get CC5" sounds like a typical nanopad issue, pressing the pad is actually triggering the one next to it.

there is a noteon for your pad8 in that dump, but oddly no note off. u have no reliability issues when using your nanopad with other software? ofc i hope it's not your nanopad but i can't see why RtMidi would be totally losing that data. it has no issues when streaming all the beatphase etc from traktor. i've tested it with up to about 500 events a second without any losses, so don't think it's that.

no issues using those bottom pads just with traktor etc? or even better midi-ox ofc - tho it can be a bit confusing the first time u run it.

must admit i've never had any issues with my nanokontrol, tho i guess i don't *hit* those pads as they're tiny and not velocity sensitive. my nanokey hasn't ever given me any issues either.

It's the same with midi-ox. Currently I don't use the controller for anything, that's why I wanted to try your hack out in the first place

I just tried to launch ableton Live and the yellow icon only lights up on the upper row. Same with traktor, and still very inconsistent.

**zestoi** · 11-11-2011, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by decon

It's the same with midi-ox. Currently I don't use the controller for anything, that's why I wanted to try your hack out in the first place

I just tried to launch ableton Live and the yellow icon only lights up on the upper row. Same with traktor, and still very inconsistent.

ah..... ok. so good news for me and possible bugs but bad news for your nanopad. have u tried taking it apart and seeing if you can mod it somehow?

guess i made the right choice going for an lpd8 instead of a nanopad, tho would have been nice to have the set of 3 nano's in the nanocase that i have.

has to be worth taking it apart and seeing if something simple might help?