Grrrrrrr... HID to MIDI frustration

[zestoi]

this is my external touchpad xypad script just to show the type of stuff you can do - you can put in some pretty decent logic if you want/need it:

if (var.XYpadInit == 0) then
   midi.DeviceOut = 8 // device number to use
   debug = midi.OutDevName // show device name in use
   midi.GeneralMidi = False
   midi.DefaultChannel = 1
   var.XYpadXres = 500
   var.XYpadYres = 320
   var.XYpadXborder = 10
   var.XYpadYborder = 10
   var.XYpadXmax = var.XYpadXres + var.XYpadXborder * 2
   var.XYpadYmax = var.XYpadYres + var.XYpadYborder * 2
   var.XYpadXmidiMin = 0
   var.XYpadXmidiMax = 100
   var.XYpadYmidiMin = 0
   var.XYpadYmidiMax = 1
   var.XYpadMode1Time = 1.5
   var.XYpadInit = 1
endif

mouse.Swallow = true
fakemouse.DirectInputX = mouse1.DirectInputX
fakemouse.DirectInputY = mouse1.DirectInputY
mouse.LeftButton = mouse1.LeftButton
mouse.RightButton = mouse1.RightButton
mouse.MiddleButton = mouse1.MiddleButton
mouse.XButton1 = mouse1.XButton1
mouse.XButton2 = mouse1.XButton2

if mouse2.present then

  if (mouse2.LeftButton) then
     var.XYpadMode = 0
  endif

  if (mouse2.RightButton) then
     var.XYpadMode = 1
  endif

  var.XYpadXdelta = Delta(mouse2.DirectInputX)
  var.XYpadYdelta = Delta(mouse2.DirectInputY)

  if (var.XYpadXdelta != 0 || var.XYpadYdelta != 0) then

     if (var.XYpadMode == 1) then
        var.XYpadTime = TimeStamp()
        var.XYpadReset = 0
     endif

     if (var.XYpadXdelta != 0) then
        var.XYpadX = var.XYpadX + var.XYpadXdelta

        if (var.XYpadX < 0) then
           var.XYpadX = 0
        elseif (var.XYpadX > var.XYpadXmax) then
           var.XYpadX = var.XYpadXmax
        elseif (var.XYpadX < var.XYpadXborder) then
           var.XYpadXmidiCC = var.XYpadXmidiMin
        elseif (var.XYpadX > var.XYpadXres + var.XYpadXborder) then
           var.XYpadXmidiCC = var.XYpadXmidiMax
        else
           var.XYpadXmidiCC = floor(MapRange(var.XYpadX, 0, var.XYpadXmax, var.XYpadXmidiMin, var.XYpadXmidiMax))
        endif

        midi.Control0Coarse = var.XYpadXmidiCC%
     endif

     if (var.XYpadYdelta != 0) then
        var.XYpadY = var.XYpadY - var.XYpadYdelta

        if (var.XYpadY < 0) then
           var.XYpadY = 0
        elseif (var.XYpadY > var.XYpadYmax) then
           var.XYpadY = var.XYpadYmax
        elseif (var.XYpadY < var.XYpadYborder) then
           var.XYpadYmidiCC = var.XYpadYmidiMin
        elseif (var.XYpadY > var.XYpadYres + var.XYpadYborder) then
           var.XYpadYmidiCC = var.XYpadYmidiMax
        else
            var.XYpadYmidiCC = MapRange(var.XYpadY, 0, var.XYpadYmax, var.XYpadYmidiMin, var.XYpadYmidiMax)
        endif

        midi.Control1Coarse = var.XYpadYmidiCC%
     endif
  else
      if (var.XYpadMode == 1 && var.XYpadReset == 0) then
         if (var.XYpadTime < TimeStamp() - var.XYpadMode1Time) then
            var.XYpadX =  floor(var.XYpadXres / 2)
            var.XYpadY =  floor(var.XYpadYres / 2)
            var.XYpadReset = 1
         endif
      endif
  endif
endif

[chaomocha]

this scripting things doesnt seem as hard as i think im making it out to be haha. thank you so much for all of this, its gunna be a big help cuz i love controllerism and customs and using random usb stuff to try and map out, so this will hopefully be a big break through. its 1am though right now so ill give this all a try tomorrow and will report back hopefully with good news!

[zestoi]

this scripting things doesnt seem as hard as i think im making it out to be haha. thank you so much for all of this, its gunna be a big help cuz i love controllerism and customs and using random usb stuff to try and map out, so this will hopefully be a big break through. its 1am though right now so ill give this all a try tomorrow and will report back hopefully with good news!

cool - sounds good. you really dont need to have any coding skills to script in glovepie as its 99% just what input becomes what midi output - with maybe a few if this then do that things if you need something a little extra...

[scyn]

yep - also works for keyboards with this...

keyboard.swallow=true

then u ofc need to add the code to make the main keyboard still work as a keyboard:

I've got multiple mouses to work as intended...but multiple keyboards I've yet to see work the way we're discussing here. The problem with using:

keyboard.swallow=true

Is that all keyboard keystrokes get swallowed; there's no way to re-initialize the primary keyboard so that it outputs keystrokes. I'd like to be proved wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that the current release of glovepie won't allow for swallowing only certain keyboard keystrokes.

[zestoi]

The problem with using:

keyboard.swallow=true

Is that all keyboard keystrokes get swallowed; there's no way to re-initialize the primary keyboard so that it outputs keystrokes. I'd like to be proved wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that the current release of glovepie won't allow for swallowing only certain keyboard keystrokes.

so this type of thing won't work at all?

Keyboard.Swallow = true
Keyboard.A = Keyboard1.A
Keyboard.B = Keyboard1.B
Keyboard.C = Keyboard1.C

only have the one keyboard here so have no way of testing.

[derschaich]

if it works same as with mouse.swallow this solution should work!

[scyn]

if it works same as with mouse.swallow this solution should work!

It has something to do with the way Windows integrates the keyboard, which is different from how it handles the mouse. I remember somewhere in the glovepie forums coming across a post discussing microsoft's lack of transparancy with regards to it's keyboard integration processes; and the maker of glovepie moving onto other projects before being able to crack it.

Buy a few gamepads, connect them to a usb hub and you'll have buttons aplenty. If you actually get it to work - I owe you a drink.

Cool XY pad script zestoi.

[zestoi]

It has something to do with the way Windows integrates the keyboard, which is different from how it handles the mouse. I remember somewhere in the glovepie forums coming across a post discussing microsoft's lack of transparancy with regards to it's keyboard integration processes; and the maker of glovepie moving onto other projects before being able to crack it.

Buy a few gamepads, connect them to a usb hub and you'll have buttons aplenty. If you actually get it to work - I owe you a drink.

but gamepads and other HID devices do work tho... @derschaich actually does that in his custom controller - 2 gamepads connected via a usb hub.

i didnt know keyboards were different - that's a pain in the ass then. i've only tried a gamepad and my external touchpad thing.

having a quick search.... the problem seems to be when u want to swallow the input in glovepie rather than not being able to treat the two keyboards differently - so the OP's original issue is doable maybe? assuming no hotkeys are setup in traktor that would get triied when either kw is used ofc.

[zestoi]

so seems that with glovepie and keyboards you can do either....

* treat input from each keyboard differently, convert to midi etc, but the actual keypress still gets sent out too (as a keypress)

* swallow the keyboard input and *only* send out midi - but then you can't differentiate between each keyboard

[scyn]

so seems that with glovepie and keyboards you can do either....

* treat input from each keyboard differently, convert to midi etc, but the actual keypress still gets sent out too (as a keypress)

Which a lot of people might be ok with. I just found (using the controller in ableton) that sometimes when I had a device control selected and I used the keyboard controller, that the keystrokes would be entered into the control's value field. It just got in the way a bit too often having keystrokes.

But to the OP...go for it. You might just find that it's not a bother having those keystrokes coming in alongside the midi data. You'll probably end up learning quite a bit in the process of setting it up.