• Ad77

    I’ve use MIK for 5 years now. It’s good for harmonic mixing and good to remember other keys which are non harmonic that go well with each other. Be careful mixing your entire set in key or gradual key changes, your DJ set can sound boring. These are some different examples of keys that go well together from MIK…
    11A goes with 7A.
    10A goes with 6A.
    4A goes with 1A.
    All these you will notice they won’t loose energy and your sets will sound more fun.

  • http://vogelmann.me vogelmann

    Hey, I did this: http://vogelmann.me/the-ultimate-harmonic-mixing-composing-chart/

    Maybe it’s useful for one or the other. :-)

  • Denis Krotov

    You, guys, forgot about MixMeister, it’s old, but also finds keys, and does it very quick and correct

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  • troublestarter

    every time i read about the Camelot wheel, my blood boils.

    whilst the camelot wheel is a neat idea, i don’t think its the kind of thing that should be copyrightable, it’s just the circle of fifths translated into an easy to remember notation. its not patentable precisely because not a real innovation, an elegant idea yes, something that needs the protection of the law, no.

    if you don’t know anything about music, print out the circle of fifths and stick it on the wall next to you decks, you’ll have it memorized in a week.

    sure keep a trademark on the name “camelot wheel”, if that boosts you ego, but don’t go around pretending you invented the circle of fifths. you could even insist that software and hardware that uses it displays the camelot logo, but the veiled threat of lawsuits is despicable. especially against open source projects.

    • Phatscout

      Dude the Camelot wheel is just a really quick way to glance over shit during a mix. Honestly, I know your going to say I’m “dum” because I’d prefer looking at my library to mix a 8A track to a 9A track rather than from A Minor to D Minor, but it’s just quicker DURING THE CONTEXT OF A MIX to think about the numbers rather than the keys.

      Yes, I do believe anyone really worth their salt needs to learn about musical keys, and it is BS that the Camelot Wheel is just a MIK trademark but hey, its a quick to use notation.

      • http://vogelmann.me vogelmann

        In fact, Mark Davis at Camelot Sound is the originator of the Camelot system, not Mixed in Key.

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    nice track in background..

  • zzzuperfly

    It’s pretty depressing that neither the traktor nor the pioneer crew knows how you sort a list properly.I have been at mik to get me tools to add that zero.

    • Marco Hooghuis

      Not just them, Microsoft is guilty as well.

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  • Cameron Daboll

    I don’t think this works with the latest version of MIK and Rekordbox. It’s a known issue that when you load the tracks to your CDJs (900nxs in my case) the key, even though Camelot system in my rekordbox collection, still shows as traditional keys on the CDJ. If there’s a way around here, it would be great to learn.

    • Camel Tow

      Thank you for bringing this up! I’m curious myself.

    • Mojaxx

      At what point did you analyse with MIK – before, or after, adding your tracks to RB?

      I analysed all mine prior to adding them to my RB library, and as you can see from the video, my Camelot codes show up just fine with my CDJ2KNs – that’s with RB 3.1 and MIK 6.

      It sounds like maybe RB’s database isn’t respecting the overwritten keys… Strange.

      • Camel Tow

        I analyze my tracks in MIK, then add them to iTunes, rename them correctly, and then drag them to RB. Is the MIK playlist something you create, or does it somehow automatically show up for you?

        • Mojaxx

          It all just shows up for me automatically.

          I read those threads from the Pioneer forum, so I get what’s happening, but I’m afraid I’ve not experienced the issue so I don’t really have any other suggestions. Sorry!

    • Cameron Daboll

      I always analyze keys before adding to RB with MIK. Once I analyze the track, I import to RB (with key detection off). If the keys don’t come in on the import, a right click and reload tags usually solves it. They all come in with the Camelot system, only an issue when you load it to the CDJ.

    • b

      i have cdj 900 nxs to, but i came from traktor..i still want to use traktor occasionally, so what i do is this : when i buy new music, i have mik analyze it…then i import into traktor for prep work (grids,cues,loops,edit tag etc) then i use rekordbuddy to sync to rekordbox. you can set your prefs so that miks key notation is visible in rekordbox on the cdjs. it works like a charm for me!

  • Robert Wulfman

    If you’re like me and you’re primarily a Traktor DJ and your files are already tagged with the open key notation, when you get to rekordbox simply change the m to A and the d to B. This won’t actually match up with the camelot notation but it’s rare that you will ever really need it to and you can always convert from open key to camelot by either moving down 5 or by going across the wheel and up one.

  • killmedj

    Nice one brother!

  • Richard Weston

    Yet another great article from my favorite blogging site! I used MIK for ages to mix harmonically. For some reason, the last 6 months I have stopped analyzing or looking at keys when mixing, maybe my ears have finally got used to what sounds good harmonically due to the many years of having the Camelot notation at my disposal or maybe I just don’t realize how bad it sounds haha.

    Sorry to be pedantic but MixedInKey didn’t invent the Camelot system. They own the rights to it but a guy called Mark Davis (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/mark-davis/52/9b6/637) invented it!

    • Mojaxx

      I was not aware of that fact, I’ll get that changed when the guys in San Fran wake up!

      Having used Traktor’s key analysis so much over the last year, I’ve actually trained myself to kind of ignore it; so often I would load a track and just think “this isn’t working”. But I kept using it to analyse, as it removed one step from my library admin.

      Now I’ve gone back to MIK, as I’m more multi-platform again, I’m reminded how useful key analysis can be when it’s actually mostly correct… ;)

      • Richard Weston

        Simply put; it’s amazing and a key tool!

      • Oddie O’Phyle

        been thinking of buying MIK too, key analysis software has really been a time saver. i remember the old days when putting together a 1hr set would take 4-6 hours of prep.

    • axelv

      even the Camelot system is just a fancy copy of a older system :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths

    • Mark Davis

      Thanks for the correction, Richard! I invented the “Camelot Wheel” as the Camelot Easymix System in 1991, and now offer a 75,000 record musician-keyed database at camelotsound.com. I sold the rights to the “Camelot Wheel” to MIK a few years.

      • tony corless

        I was just going to mention the same,how you doing Mark? long time no speak,still got 2 massive copies of your database here .Hope you are well.

        • Mark Davis

          Aloha! If you would like free trial access to our online database, please email camelot@gte.net

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