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  • chris

    djtechtolls is, for me, one of the only lightning part in WWW
    (more and more i realize that stupidity is common law)

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  • http://www.panpanmusic.com PanPan

    Doesn’t traktor already have this feature? And can’t the remix deck hold more pre-recorder “flips”?

  • J Williams

    Serato is winning…

  • Seville Lilly

    so is it only jumps in Serato Flip, or can it be a fade? can you time or adjust the transition to the jumpcue, or is it always instantaneous?

    if you can only jump, i’ll stick with crossfading between hotcues on duplicate decks of the same song in Traktor. it’s easy to do live, it’s easy to visually mark ahead of time where you want to jump in the waveform (using flag cues n such), and even a very quick crossfade between 2 duplicate decks sounds smoother 4 out of 5x than a jump on 1 deck, in my experience.

    plus if your latency flucuates, will Serato fail to land immediately on your jump cue, like Traktor sometimes does when the jumpcue is more than 32 beats ahead or behind? crossfading hotcues solves that problem too.

    i do love the idea of storing more than one routine in the same track though. wish Traktor’s cues could do that.

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  • Diego

    i hope to see NI do something “new” soon because it’s been awhile since they are lazy

  • Ryan Supak

    Looks interesting…but I’m trying to think of a scenario where it isn’t easier/more useful just to “print” my edits by re-recording them as a new audio track. You can do that right inside the existing software (for free), of course.

    That way, there’s no chance that I’ll accidentally have Flips 1,5,and 6 turned on instead of 2,3,and 4 because I was double-checking something just before the show and saved it in the wrong default state, and I accidentally play the F-word at my Grandma’s dance party. Also, my “printed” edit is absolutely future-proof and not limited in use to somebody else who has the same version of Serato DJ.

    If somebody can describe to me a scenario where I’d be at a gig and I’d want to be toggling on and off my flips on the fly (and it wouldn’t be easier just to do the cuepoints manually), I’d be interested.

    rs

    • hd

      Good point!

    • Chris Conforti

      The scenario would be any time you are playing a gig where you havent already decided what or how you were going to play. Especially if you are planning to cross genres and tempos a lot then you can have flips of tracks that are intended to get you from 1 genre or tempo to another. This way you just play a track and depending where you want to take the set from there you will activate that flip. Also the flips can be activated on certain tracks to allow you to finger drum or sample sections to layer over other tracks. This can be used to do extremely creative mix ins or outs.

  • we want proof

    I’been wanting to do this live for a while now

  • CUSP

    Is Serato suggesting general MIDI mappable controls are coming? I’d really like that as it’s been a feature that seems really desired.

  • http://www.imageyenation.com/ El Keter Ben Tzadik

    As long as I never see this used in a battle setting I’m fine with it. It’s a great application of the technology. I do think it has the potential to make a lot of DJ sets that I have absolutely no interest in listening/dancing to. But it’s cool. Just not in a battle.

  • http://filespnr.com/ filespnr

    we talk a lot about ‘similar’ functions, but to me the brilliance of flip, is the name. it’s a great name; one that novices and lay-people can get their head around. i think this is the start of something really big, for serato as a tablet app.

  • Carl-Johan Linell

    Only thing really exciting I saw was a couple of Chroma Caps on the DDJ-SX :p

  • ?The Other Denzel?

    If at any point i can make live tempo transitions with Serato Flip, i will officially abandon Traktor.

  • killmedj

    No matter what anyone thinks, for me this is totally practical . Traktor better be watching, I’m this close to jumping back to Serato!

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  • x

    Did any DJ ever think that maybe the crowd just wants to hear the original cut without all the overly done fancy serato loops and efx lol

    • CUSP

      They can get that at home. You don’t go to a live place to see a band perform exactly the same parts that are on the album, I call this “the Chuck E Cheese syndrome” (named after the animatronic puppets). There *are* boring parts that don’t lend themselves to dancing in a lot of songs… why not edit those out? Why not layer in new parts to make your set something special? Better yet, why be an iPod on shuffle mode?

      • x

        read again, i said OVERLY DONE EDITS. i didn’t say don’t do any edits. i’m talking about djs who has to put a loop and add effects throughout the whole damn track.

        • CUSP

          I’m right there with you regarding overly complex mixes turning into “audio mud”, but I think it’s the sign of a good performer to make wise decisions about what to play and what not to play. Options don’t have to be expressed, but it’s better to have a choice and not take it than it is to not have a choice when you want to make one.

      • x

        BTW…and I am not saying flip sucks and don’t use it lol just don’t over use it

  • Stewe

    Hey Guys, How about mapping this in Traktor/MF3D? Hit record button to engage loop recorder > play some cue points > loop reaches end position and mapping automatically copies content in to a remix cell (playing looped) and disengage/delete a loop recording. Sounds feasible :)

    • Toontown

      Heh… This is exactly what I thought while reading the article. Traktor already offers this functionality–it just doesn’t have a “hip” name.

      • CUSP

        How do we know what all the features do? Serato merely teased some of the features. I hope this isn’t some “I have this program, so it’s the best” claim. Let’s make this judgement after the add-on is complete, OK?

        • Toontown

          Definitely not what I was saying. Just pointing out that whatever the feature is I’m sure there’s a Traktor workaround.

          Zach put this video up two years ago so we know the functionality is there. To take this one step further, you can record your remix deck performance and drop it into a track deck. Same result.

    • Marco Hooghuis

      Does the loop recorder have enough beats for that? This flip thing seems to be much more versatile.

      • Stewe

        Recorder goes up to 32 beats but yeah, mapping can repeat this recording/deleting process if called for.

  • Marco Hooghuis

    I wonder if they’ll give us a mapping of the needed buttons, but I highly doubt it. There’s plenty of room on my DDJ-SR for it, it has 4×8 pads available per deck. That’s what I don’t like about Serato, you’re at their mercy when it comes to hardware functionality.
    Nvm, just read it’s midi mappable. Kudos to Serato.

  • Simone D’Antino

    Everyonce in awhile Serato comes up with good new stuff…and I just don’t understand why NI doesn’t absolutely react
    Hope they put something good in their next update/upgrade

    • Marco Hooghuis

      Probably because NI is going a completely different route. Which I think is a good thing, because there will be actual differences between different packages. It would be boring if every dj software would do exactly the same things.

      • Simone D’Antino

        Yeah you’re right…(:
        For my point of view it’s just sad the fact that other softwares continue to get better and traktor not. Like the “slip mode scratch” (in vinyl timecode) in Serato is an example. I would REALLY like to have that on traktor xD

        • Marco Hooghuis

          They are getting better. But they are also mostly getting things that Traktor has had for years. Look at namable cue points for instance, how long did Traktor have those before Serato got them?
          I’d rather see something amazing after a while then all these tiny things that I probably won’t miss anyway. I will definitely check out flip though.

        • you idiot

          Research flux mode

        • CUSP

          You do…

      • DJ Now

        Still might be a while before we get a new update considering that NI just recently released the new MK2 controllers. On top of that NI are still promoting Traktor 2 with the current stream of youtube videos.

        I imagine we will more likely see new software released in conjunction with hardware. One thing I’ve noticed is that hardware releases tend to come out after NI have had a huge sale. This is probably because they try and get rid of stock they have of old products, eg: kontrol S4 sale followed by release of S4 MK2.

        My theory is that we will probably see a new traktor after the MK2 series goes on sale.

        • Marco Hooghuis

          Yeah, I don’t buy into the whole S8/TP3 thing either. I also think people should learn to appreciate the stuff they already have and focussing on improving themselves instead of begging the companies for more stuff. It’s a lot cheaper as well :)

          • DJ Now

            Same here, still finding new ways to play live in Traktor. ^_^
            I do think that the idea of the S8 is possible as a super Traktor controller (similar to serato and pioneer controllers) but I don’t think it means new software.
            I think NI should focus on fixing current problems within Trakor such as the clunky mapping interface before taking any steps forwards.

          • deejae snafu

            I don’t really have a problem with mapping in traktor, it does feature a learning curve, but it’s also very powerful and once you
            Figure it out, it becomes quite simple.

            My main gripe I’d fix in traktor is to create better cue identification methods like being able to name your q points and change colors. Maybe add more virtual decks so people that like mixing on 3 or more decks can still make dummy decks for isolators.

          • CUSP

            I’m only going to disagree with you on one point: I currently have to propeller-tab between (Native Instruments) applications. I’d really like to not do that.

  • Dan White

    In before everyone starts debating about how “Real DJs don’t use Flip” and “Back in my day, we triggered our cue points live” ;)

    • http://www.djyagga.com/ DJ Yagga™

      “Back in my day” you HAD to bring it back with the elbow rofl

      • killmedj

        Crossfading with your nose! =)

      • http://www.mixcloud.com/sandeepmusic/ Sandeep

        HAHHAAH !

    • Jacob Stadtfeld

      If you haven’t mixed using tape decks, you’ve never really lived.

      • CUSP

        Mr. Tape FTW!

      • halfasemitone

        Real DJ’s use wax cylinder. Keep it old school.

    • http://robticho.com Rob Ticho,Club mU

      By no means am I trying to start the “Real DJs” or “Back in my day” arguments but I do want to bring up the point that it’s really fun to do a lot of live remixing/arranging using doubles of a track.

      DJTT had a great article on it http://djtechtools.com/2008/09/11/rockin-digital-doubles/ I think this was one of the best DJTT articles of all time.

    • Sebastian Cavolina

      telling the internet not to argue. that’s like telling a dog not to be a dog.

    • Fauxfaux

      Mad respect if someone wants to keep pushing the boundaries with vinyl mixing, but past that there are no awards for doing “real” beat matching and most of the drunk people in the club do not remotely care. I hit a ceiling with vinyl mixing and now I can do so much more with digital tools, my old mixes feel unlistenable. Yes, sync made it easier than ever for anyone to pose as a DJ but that was inevitable. Software is going to make those posers obsolete as well — why pay a DJ when a computer can make flawless mixes from top 100 playlists. But for that impressive basement full of vinyl you keep at home, someone like this might really appreciate it

      • halfasemitone

        Why can’t I upvote this 100 times?

  • Dj Seamless

    This is great news!!!!