• 1slurr

    mashines ableton template is on point

  • dadarkman

    @ALEXANDER CASTIGLIONE, the author of this article, if you are going to pen such an article then you might as well cast your net very wide. I’m a Live, Push, Maschine and Reason user so it’s cool to see them on the list. However, it is hard to believe that most of the producers you got a hold of happen to be using Live. Worst, is that your own personal preference also happens to be Live. Live got mentioned 10x more than any other software combine in the article, that makes no sense at all. The annoying part is that you keep using the “old” and not even relevant term of “entry-level” for FL Studio when every single people following the production world knows FL has far been removed from that label a long time ago. As another user mentioned below, a lot of heavy hitters are using the software. So, you are still behind and catching up, a “FL hater” or what?
    The article is about tools that can help a user making beats, right? Well, in the hardware front, beside Push and Maschine, there’s the many flavors of the MPC, both standalone and with sofware/Renaissance which are very widely used. M-Audio Trigger Finger pro isn’t looking bad for a nice entry. Heck, some producers still choose to use the 8 pads that comes with their keyboard controllers (that should be mentioned too).
    Software wise, the list can be pretty huge. Beside all the DAWs you’ve managed not to find one person using nor cover yourself (Cubase, Digital Performer, Pro Tools, Reaper, Sonar, Bitwig etc…) we have the Drum plugins and Standalone like Battery, Linplug RMV, Geist, Egoist, Tremor, etc… Since the article is not tied to a particular Genre of music then drum software like Superior Drummer, AD, BFD2 and Quantum Leap SD2 can also be in the basket (since they all have sequencer in them). Yes, “Digital Drum Sequencers” that can be translated to a lot of piece of software that can help achieve that task.

    Cast your net wider in your next article if you want the readers on this site to take you seriously. I’m saying that in a positive way!

    Peace out!

    • Alexander Castiglione

      After conducting several interviews with notable producers from all over the globe, one topic was recurring: Ableton Live. As far as calling FL entry level, that was just based on the price point – newbies aren’t going out to buy Ableton Suite or Logic, not unless they’re Max Vangelli and bankrolled by mommy and daddy.

      • dadarkman

        OK, thanks for clarifying!
        I’d still point out in the case of “FL entry level”, the information is still misguided for people who really doesn’t know the many versions and pricing on these DAWs.
        - There’s an entry level for Live called Live Intro at $99 which matches the entry level price of FL Studio Fruity Edition.
        - Ableton Live Standard is $299 which matches FL Studio’s Signature Edition also at $299.
        - The top FL Studio version (including all the plugins) is $910. Now, compare that price with Ableton’s Live Suite (including all the effects) which is $800. Or, compare that to Steinberg’s Cubase 7.5 which is $500. And worst, compare that to Logic Pro X which is a measly $200. Yes, Logic full bundle is only $200.

        So, the notion that “newbies” can afford FL but not Ableton or Logic is false based on the pricing currently available in the stores right now!

  • digital life

    Calling FL Studio an entry level sequencer is just ignorant. Many of the chart hits you hear to day are made on it. Particularly in the EDM genre.

    • Antidigital Life

      EDM is garbage. Give it a year. Same chordal progressions and weak ass vocals. When these d-bags wake up from the Molly trip, they’ll realize.

  • y65tbxYuXfo

    drums are the ground-beat. There are many different styles.
    btw: in some carpets you can also slip

  • Jayson Joyce

    Seems the article is quite limited given that it doesn’t mention the MPC Renaissance / studio / element , Pro Tools ,Cubase and it’s tools, Sonar and it’s tools, Digital Performer and it’s tools, etc. The world is far from dominated by Live and Maschine as the article makes it appear. FL Studio stopped being perceived as a toy after Avicii, Afrojack, Martin Garrix, Madeon, etc. made hits and sold millions of songs with it. And even if your just looking at beat making software the scope is way to narrow. I also disagree on labeling Reason too complex and framing it as a dying piece of software when it sales are still large and it has many great rack extensions that are easy to use to make beats.

    Overall the article, although saying its open, has a very one sided (or should I say two sided) tone.

    • J Crenshaw

      Digital Performer is more of a classical scorers tool. Simple audio recording, first DAW I ever used. ProTools is the go to for vocal. They most likely didnt list them, because the people who do most of the work in the beginning use these tools, while the engineers and mastering engineers use ProTools and MOTU Products for the final mix down etc because of its tools for such things.

  • DJ_ForcedHand

    I thought there were 3 variants of Maschine: Mikro, Maschine, and Studio. The article says “Maschine even comes in two models (Studio and Mikro) as well as having screens on the unit itself to tweak a sample.”

    • J Crenshaw

      Yes well, the Mikro and Standard edition have the same set of functions, operate the same way etc. While Studio provides more tools on the hardware surface. I think in general most people regard the Mikro and MK2 as the same now that the studio is out.

      • TrillBill

        I couldn’t disagree more. I had the Mikro for a month and returned it for the MK2. While you are correct about the ABILITY to do the same things between the two, the workflow is entirely different between the Mikro and the MK2.

  • songsongsong

    I’ve been through tons of hardware samplers/sequencers including MPC’s, ASR’s, and rolands SP’s, I’ve been a heavy protools, logic, reaper, reason, motu bpm, mpc software and maschine user, and I’ve also played around a bit with cakewalk and ableton. i know what I’m looking for in a DAW and i ultimately choose REASON. its got everything in the box, all at an unmatched price. what i love most about it is that it can actually be very simple and easy and quick to use, but it can also be extremely deep and complex, depending on how far you want to get into the software. it sounds great, its Extremely CPU resource friendly and hardly ever crashes. i don’t use a lot of VST’s so that isn’t a factor for me, so Reason for me is absolutely perfect. they still lack some things other DAW’s have, like a really good performance/live capabilities (which something like ableton excels at) but I can live with that for now. I have to believe they are working on developing that in the future as well. anyways, it was kind of sad to hear a lot of producers aren’t as enthused about reason anymore, especially because it seems too ‘complicated’ because it really isn’t, and once u get the hang of it, you’ll be happy you can go as deep and complex as you want!

  • slo-fy

    I like my Arturia Spark LE :)

  • giga

    the one big thing that FL Studio can do is THE ENTIRE DAW CAN RUN AS A SLAVE VST INSTRUMENT

    • J Crenshaw

      Which really serves no purpose

      • digital life

        So rewire serves no purpose either I suppose?

  • Drew A Sawatzky

    Use them all connect with midi, I perfer MPC thou

  • doesn’t matter

    This article is probably one of the worst arguments I’ve ever heard regarding music production. What you’ve basically said is “boo hoo, it’s too hard to use a real DAW or outboard equipment so instead use the equivalent of a made in china kid’s toy replica.” Yes, music production is -gasp- supposed to be hard. “DAW’s” like Live or FL Studio (using the term to describe something nowhere near what a DAW actually should be able to do) are easy, sure. But that’s the reason 95% of pop tunes and modern “EDM” sound the same. It’s the same sounds, the same software, the same cheap imitation of music, and a lack of any talent or originality in creating it. If you actually care about the quality of your music or are making it for anything besides money, you’d know to steer clear of entry-level garbage like Ableton. Want to make good music? Go to school for it. Learn to use real, “complex” software like Reason and then you will be able to see the difference in quality. I understand the argument is “how can I devote the time and energy and money into music education?” But the answer is simple: if you can’t, you shouldn’t be making music in the first place. Every 17 year old kid with a launch pad thinks they’re gonna be the next Hendrix and with the American complacency and stunning capacity to consume even the worst of the worst, they just might be in terms of popularity. But that doesn’t mean they deserve it. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you’re not going to produce an album in Ableton that’ll last more than 20 years, at most. The tools that any kid off the street can learn in a day are not sufficient to make real, good music. If you can’t use the software or can’t devote the time and energy to learning how to there is absolutely no reason you should be trying to produce music for anything other than listening to on your own. Grow up, music producers. If you want fame earn it. If you want to make the best album of all time, go ahead and make it. Just don’t call disgusting cookie-cutter house, trap, and dubstep good music. It’s barely music, let alone having any value. Let’s all raise a glass to Ableton going out of business sometime in the next 5 years so good electronic music can start populating the market again.

    • BelgianJungleSound

      Don’t even know where to begin… Would help if you defined “good” electronic music for a start, cause that be anything from Burial to Squarepusher to Flying Lotus to god knows what.

      You’re main argument seems to hinge on the fact that complicated = good, to which I’d have to reply that you’re being just a tiny bit prejudiced. Lots of great songs are born of simple ideas and not particularly complex equipment. I hesitate to name examples in case you turn out to be jazz enthusiast or something, but here are a few off the top of my head: Mala – Changes, Dj Shadow – Grain of Sand (I forget the exact name), every jungle somg ever and in fact any Electronic track you wish to name pre 2000s was probably made on an Atari with a few outboard synths. Point is, as the author of the article rightly points out, it’s what you do with what you’ve got, rather than what you’ve got (which admittedly you do say when you urge people to practice more in order to make original music instead of copying others).

      Last point, exactly what features make FL Studio not a DAW? I’m really quite curious, given that one of my favourite duos, Camo & Krooked, apparently made the excellent Zeitgeist album on a mere toy. Quite an impressive feat I must say

    • Comme Erçial

      You’re fucked up in the head mayne, (and bitter). There’s an arc of development to everything and you need to start somewhere.

      I heard you are great fun at parties.

    • jason

      dang i just started learning ableton tho lol

    • NS

      If you seriously think the “complexity” of Reason rivals that of Ableton, I’ve got some bad news for you. And it’s called Max For Live.

    • Unreallystic

      I don’t necessarily agree with how you are saying it, but I actually agree. I started with Making Waves back in I think 96, moved to FL, then rested @ Reason. I’ve tried to go elsewhere (Sonar/Ableton) as I periodically hit walls and feel I need help learning certain aspects of Reasons, and being honest, with the popularity of Ableton, its REAL easy to find any and everything for Ableton, I almost bought it. But I’ve stuck with Reason. For the talk of complexity, I’m sure that its actually (1) no more complex than Ableton can be and (2) only as complex as you make it. To me, Reason makes PERFECT sense. I can SEE what rack units I’m putting in, I can keep it simple and never hit ‘tab’ or if I want to get deep, I can go ahead and hit tab, playing with various options. Is it perfect, no. I don’t like the method of sampling nor keeping track of samples, I very much dislike the refill format as it prevents me from organizing things the way I want, and it assumes that all sources of refills will organize the same way, its not setup for playing live, an the options for ‘viewing’ the rack units aren’t flexible enough for space saving. But damn, if it doesn’t sound crisp. It’s super stable, since I bought 7 w/ Balance, its crashed on me ONCE, and I’ve done some super demanding things. Its low resource enough that I cna whore out my computer to multiple things at once without a hiccup. And it isn’t complex to me, and this is as someone who’s never used rack units for production equipment. To call it complex is to simply be “Lazy”.

    • dadarkman

      Ableton an entry-level DAW? hahahahaha!! GTFH!! I own both reason and Live 9. Simply put, they are two different DAWs with a different GUI and layout. However, in terms of features, they both can go neck and neck. Simplicity or Complexity is a matter of which one a user can grasp with better; what’s an easy learning curve for one person, can be hard for another. Everybody doesn’t eat the same damn thing, or like the same colors, etc… if so, then there would be one item for everything we do; Choice would be non-existent.
      BTW, stop taking example out of EDM. Like it makes people look cooler to mention EDM. Yeah, as if Pop, Alternative, Country, Hip-Hop, etc… are not in the charts with matching or even more horrible tracks? Give me a break! Every Genre of music is a target as soon as it is at its peak.
      Anyway, arguing that using one major DAW make superior “music” then another is one of the most archaic and ignorant debate ever to live. Worst is, some people still feel they have to push their arrogance onto the rest of the world as to what EVERYBODY should use. I guess the article being bias and not well documented to cover more DAWs happens to create such an arrogant, non constructive and down right negative from you?

      My main question is simple: What can Reason do that Ableton Live can’t? Go ahead list them? As a matter of fact, I give you five years (the same five years you give Ableton) to find time to list them. Go ahead, I’ll be waiting.

  • Lee Miran

    I’ve been using FL Studio since the late 1990′s. Over the years it has grown. There is a misconception that it is merely entry-level and lacks depth. The truth is that it is very versatile. You can use it to easily create simple beats and patterns or delve into its vast complexity to achieve truly amazing things. But I agree that preference is the main qualifier.

    • Dylan

      Couldn’t agree more. I never understood why FL Studio was always labelled as a “toy”. I tried to switch, but I always found myself going back to FL Studio. For me, it’s workflow is so smooth and intuitive.

      • digital life

        It’s because its a threat to the establishment, It does everything the other DAWs do, is one of the least expensive and comes with lifetime free updates.

  • Oddie O’Phyle

    To be fair, weighing Maschine against Live Suite is kind of unfair. It would be closer to pit Maschine against Live LE, as the Suite edition would be closer to having Komplete.
    At this point Native Instruments becomes an all together new beast with the addition of HUGE sample base, VSTs, Reactor and Kontact.
    I was a happy Ableton Live 4-7 user, but switched to Maschine when the Live 8 engine came out. I’m just getting into the Maschine 2 upgrade due to the sale that is on right now and I should have Komplete 9 in hand by tomorrow. I’ll leave my 2 cents in about a week of locking my doors and not answering my phone.

    • DJ_ForcedHand

      Yes! ^^^ So much this ^^^^ I really don’t understand why everything has to be “shoot-out comparison.” Maschine can be used on it’s own and as a VST plug-in (so you can use it in Ableton, Logic, etc.). Maschine 2.0 does rival traditional D.A.W.s in many ways, but it was designed to work with whatever you want and it has a pretty awesome library of sounds. The M.P.C. series is great because you can use it away from a computer, and all D.A.W.s are pretty much real-time now. Push (with Ableton 9) is great, but it requires a more eyes-on-app approach.

      Don’t get caught up in which tool is technically better than another, find out what tools work for you. This is a great time to be alive and doing things with music, because you can literally write something today, and play it tonight… or simply play something live with studio tools in your DJ set.

      I truly wish that when you buy something as deep-dish as Maschine or Ableton, you got a class (and some 1-on-1 instructor time) to go with it. I am still daunted by the options in Maschine 2.0 but I mainly use it for creating back beats.

      CUSP

      • Oddie O’Phyle

        i’ll be watching a lot of tutorials in the next little while and doing a lot of installing tomorrow. can’t wait to create a bunch of stems for remix sets while i stumble my way through the learning curve of the update and komplete.

        • CUSP

          Just start out slow and easy. There’s no rush to get this done by next week. When you get it, you can learn more about what you want. It took me almost 15 years to realize I shouldn’t be segregating what I do (the music I play or the tools I use to play them), I should be as the Chinese proverb says “Like rain, encompassing everything.” This is very hard for a successful DJ to grasp, “Why change what you’re doing when it’s successful?”

          The simple answer is: Because you’ll be better for it.

          • Oddie O’Phyle

            i’m thinking that my next midi controller will be a 23″ 10 point touch screen for direct manipulation of VST filters without having to do a lot of mapping to external controller and eliminate the need for program switches too. this’ll be fun!

            my answer to your question is simple too… life is change.

          • CUSP

            Oooh, thanks for the plug :) (Cusp is change)

          • Unreallystic

            I’ve been dying to do that in Reason, but, I’m not sure how well it actually will work.

  • genjutsushi

    I came from a hardware background in the late 90s so when i made the switch to software a few years ago, i found Reason to be the most powerful tool for me. The ability to control your own signal path made it really inspiring. I combined that with Ableton for external sequencing and audio recording… however, last year i made the jump to Maschine due to the integration with the controller. Makes everything more immediate and understandable.

    • Oddie O’Phyle

      lol… For a few years (about 5 or 6) I took to recording stems from my synths, R-5 and MC-808 in Audition and then would loop and effect them in Live for my shows. I agree with you that Maschine has made things a bit more immediate, although I’m thinking of getting a secondary screen for my production laptop with touch capabilities to easier adjust the parameters on VSTs.

      • Trillbill

        If you’re open to alternatives, a Wacom Tablet does a great job at that

  • kappesante

    logic + maschine