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    streaming radio+soundcloud+twitter = spintech.dj

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  • ATribeCalledWes

    From a Business of the Internet perspective, Twitter and Soundcloud have been largely fueled by Union Square Ventures out of NYC. Ironically so is Disqus. These guys tend to invest in focused, community based solutions to platform level problems. They also tend to have a hands off culture.

    http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/union-square-ventures/investments

    This may mean that the reason they vested in the first place was because the cultures of Twitter and Soundcloud closely matched their visions to begin with. That said, Twitter and Soundcloud may be much closer already than we see as users.

    USV is small, so if you really wan to weigh in, I bet if you hit their blog, particularly Fred Wilson “AVC” you may get some good info and also make an influence on what happens if something does.

    • Nolan Walker

      While Fred Wilson and the USV crew probably have some insight into this
      possible merger due to the required reporting that Soundcloud is
      committed to provide on a regular basis to all investors (i.e. they
      would have to report to their investor if they were approached with a
      credible acquisition offer), the USV investments in these 2 companies
      were relatively small and quite some time ago (Soundcloud in 2011,
      Twitter in 2007, 2008 and 2009). USV is highly unlikely to have a board
      seat at either company, or any real influence as to Twitter’s decision
      making process (Twitter buying Soundcloud only happens if Twitter’s
      board of directors backs the CEO and management team on an acquisition).

      With Soundcloud, USV probably was the bulk of their $10MM Series B raise,
      but they have since raised an additional $110MM in 2 subsequent
      investment rounds. As such, they are probably now holding 3-5%
      ownership in the company (at most)(that $10MM probably bought a 20%
      share at that time, shared equitably by all investors in the round, but
      with the subsequent fund raises that the company has done, and USV
      either not having or not exercising their pro rata rights, means that
      the later raises required significant dilution of earlier equity
      stakeholders). They have raised a total of $123MM. An acquisition of
      SC is probably a realistic expectation for a liquidity event for this
      investment, but if their $800MM valuation with 250MM users (and Kleiner
      Perkins being the lead in their Series C round) is an indication that
      investors expect a higher valuation in an acquisition, or for the
      company to push for an IPO in a few years. Soundcloud has a great
      revenue model, essentially being a recurring revenue membership service,
      dependent on keeping users engaged. That could push their valuation up
      significantly, as most SaaS companies are currently valued at a 10X-20X
      multiple on revenues. As they are a private company, though, there is
      no easy way to know for sure what those revenue numbers look like (the numbers reported in the tech media are often inflated).

      With Twitter, USV was probably not the lead investor in any of the 3 rounds
      that they participated in. The 3 early rounds total $55MM, but since
      that time, Twitter had 5 additional investment rounds prior to going
      public (with a total amount invested over 8 fundraising rounds of
      roughly $1.20BN; Kleiner Perkins was notably the sole investor of a
      $200MM Series F raise). USV probably had a 0.5-0.75% ownership share in
      that company at the time of Twitter’s IPO. As Twitter has been
      publicly traded for about a year, USV has probably sold their shares of
      stock in the company (a venture investment requires an exit; holding
      shares of stock beyond the lockup period prevents them from collecting
      the return on their investment, so is rarely, if ever, done). So USV
      probably knows as much as anyone else in terms of what Twitter plans to
      acquire (acquisition purchases are not reported in the quarterly reports
      to the SEC until they have actually taken place). Fred may have some
      knowledge from private conversations with Dick Costolo (Twitter CEO and a
      co-investor in Twitter’s Series A fund raise; along with Marc Andreesen
      [founding partner of Andreesen Horowitz, a hugely influential and
      massive VC fund], Ron Conway [a super angel who was an early investor in
      Google and Paypal] and Naval Ravikant [CEO and founder of Angel List, a
      platform for angel investing]), but he couldn’t disclose that
      information as it would violate SEC rules for insider trading.

      All that being said, it is great to see Fred referenced on a DJ site. Not a lot of VC talk in these parts… (I work in the start up space,
      running screening for an angel fund, coordinating investment raises for
      companies, mentoring in 2 local accelerators). I’ve been a huge fan of
      Fred’s for several years, and an avid follower of his blog. His
      fireside chat with Pando’s Sarah Lacy was excellent, and he’s such a
      humble yet scary smart guy. Union Square Ventures is a great investment
      firm, with about $220MM in their current fund, and over $450MM under
      management. If they are early investors in a company (they tend to
      focus on Seed and Series A round investments), it is usually a good bet
      that one of the bigger firms in the Bay area will invest in a later
      round.

  • Casie Lane Millhouse-Singh

    I can see a definite plus side for artists & labels reaching out to put content directly into fans eyes & ears. And again for reaching out to new fans as well. The engagement capabilities with SC were quite limited, so I see potential growth in that aspect.

  • Matt D

    Almost every mix I post gets flagged and taken down. I pay record pools for this music. Most djs play other peoples music. How do other djs share their mixes on soundcloud?

  • Jeff

    Multiple news sources say that Twitter is NOT, I repeat, NOT acquiring SoundCloud. Yay! But then again, does it mean they are trying to sell? I’d rather have Google than Twitter at the helm. Ultimately, I’d like to see it remain independent.

  • http://www.antifmradio.com/ antifm

    we already see SPONSORED ads in out timelines and such on twitter. So i guess now we are going to get advertisements and SPAM BOT posts + porn posters in our soundcloud pages too? im sorry but if all that cant be cleaned up, this is going to look like a huge social (mess)dia site. Ill garuntee people are going to close their accounts and move to mixcloud

  • bobo

    i really just wish soundcloud did have a way to give announcements to your followers and twitter just need to make soundcloud post’s look better.i do like the idia of if ppl r following the sc the auto follow the twiter n vice versa

  • calgarc

    fuck!

  • LongTimeLurker1stTimePoster

    Over on another forum somebody pointed out that Twitter could be (is most likely) eying SoundCloud as a platform to enable audio tweets. Basically ruin the platform as a music sharing tool. Instead of minutes long songs, up to XX seconds of recording. Thus there will be lots more activity, but most of it stupid and juvenile. Or, in a more scary tone of voice, SoundCloud is the next YouTube comments section. Boom!

  • Sketch

    I really hope this doesn’t happen. What I like about Soundcloud is that it is just about the music, none of the other stuff that comes with social media like Twitter (including the advertising). Granted there would be some advantages but I have a feeling Soundcloud would go downhill under Twitter’s influence.

    • Chaser720

      I can see the pros of having more users which equals more exposure for up and coming artist but its going to get plagued with ads and BS. More cons than pros in my opinion.

      • Sketch

        Exactly. Just look at how Youtube went downhill after Google acquired it and merged it with Chrome. Youtube used to be a great platform for emerging artists but now its just a big bowl of BS. That’s full of bugs I might add.

        • Lujxio

          twitter doesnt really have that many ads. and since youtube has been acquired by google its thrived with ppl how make content actually being able to make money

          • Sketch

            I’d still prefer no ads to some. Plus, although youtube fan base has grown, what Chaser and I are saying still applies – more cons than pros.

          • sketchytechky

            Personally – hope Soundcloud dont go down the ad revenue model.

  • djfourmoney

    Oh great I can barely handled the disappointment, more EDM…. Eek

    • Oddie O’Pyle

      oh no… i can barely handle the disappointment. another hip “pop” dj. the fact that you so frequently use the term “EDM” screams that you are ignorant to the genre of electronic music. as a tech house dj i dropped blackalicious, roots manuva, drs, alex pirez and a bunch of ram and metalheadz records in my set yesterday. most of us are fairly diverse and have good taste. so, if you are going to be a troll… find another bridge to spend your time under.

      • djfourmoney

        Who said I only spun hip hop? Is that an assumption because I am Black? Wouldn’t that make you bigoted to make such a blanket assumption without knowing more about me? I don’t care about Blackalicious, Roots Manuva or drs, these days I have had it with what is casually called “dance music” it’s geared towards those under 30 and I am over 40. I am playing old school these days and yes that means records pre-1990.

        • Oddie O’Phyle

          now you get it… the ignorance that appears when someone makes blanket assumptions. if you are going to sterotype people who play electronic music, you may get pigeon-holed too.
          as to the hip “pop” dj label (not to me confused with hip hip), it may have emerged due to the time old trashing of techno dj’s by hip hop dj’s over the years (even more so with the new generation of hip pop dj’s or does a certain eminem song escape your memory?). thank you from continuing the sterotype. yes, some of us fall into your age group too. i was flippin’ nova mute and +8 vinyl back in the 90′s and catching Dr. No in the late 80′s.
          by your logic; all electronic music is edm; eric b and rakim paid in full is of the same calibre as lil wayne or drake.
          at least i have an open enough mind to realise that no matter what the genre, talent should be recognised and respected.

          • Oddie O’Phyle

            hip hop*

    • Clay Ford

      Yeah man, why so angry? Do you only have the emotional capacity to shit on everyone who doesn’t play hip hop and assume everyone plays ‘edm’? Sorry man, you need to brush up on your musical knowledge if you think edm is the only form of dance music out there.

      • djfourmoney

        How am I angry? How many YouTube videos of EDM DJ’s playing pretty much the same tracks with little variation? I play electronica (which is what it’s was called before) mostly Soulful House, Chicago House and commercial remixes when I believe it fits into a set. There was nothing angry about that one sentence. DJ Tools and Digital DJ are both dominated by EDM DJ’s, Key detection mixing (something I was doing WAY before such a thing was being discussed widely); I have been DJ’ing for 28 years and I never said anything negative about EDM only that people see Tiesto and Hilton making million of dollars and feel that’s what they need to specialize in. I also never said its the only form of “dance music” out there, that is an assumption on your part. I have spent time in Europe, House is king in Europe. House is also king in the US were the majority of the patrons are Caucasian. The majority of Wedding DJ’s are Caucasian, I have no problem with this. But I wouldn’t call Tech Tools diverse by any stretch, nor would I call turntablism Dj’ing, its an art form and should be seen as such but playing music with no lyrics does not count as being a DJ. I am pretty sure, I got you beat in musical knowledge which goes back deep into the 1970′s. Personally I have to be in the mood for Tech House, Trance, Dub Step and the ten thousand different versions of house or techno.

        • Clay Ford

          Well, I just assumed you were angry by claiming I, amongst others, were shitty laptop edm dj’s. Believe me man, we all hate EDM just as much as the next guy and throwing that word around is pretty offensive lol.

  • Clay Ford

    One thing I like about twitter (even though I’m not a member) is that there’s no censorship. Maybe this could rub off on Soundcloud’s recent ‘piracy’ rules.

    • Dan White

      One of Twitter’s internal mottos: “Defend and respect the user’s voice”

    • djfourmoney

      So you play EDM but don’t have Twitter? You likely have a Apple to DJ with and you don’t have Twitter? You’re W… never mind.

      • Clay Ford

        Yeah, I play techno and don’t have twitter. I just play as a hobby, I don’t need to promote myself. I’m a realist and I know djing isn’t a real career for 99% out there. Not only that, if I had twitter I’d spend all day on my laptop and get nothing done…I’m just controlling my ocd ;) Oh, and no Apple, sorry. I use a pc lol

        • djfourmoney

          Hobbies are fine, do you, I don’t care what you play. Actually it could be a career if you just charged more for what you do.

          My buddy made $1,500 last weekend playing for townies/normal people. He did 55 events last year including weddings, it’s a viable career choice. If you have OCD, get a residency and do a podcast on the side or broadcast with VDJ.

          I am returning to mobiles after trying the “real job” route. I like to be antonymous, which is why I like courier work and driving big rigs previously.

          I have Twitter on all three laptops, the HTPC and only the server (WHS 2011) doesn’t have it, its also on all four Android phones and I don’t look at it even more than a couple of times a day. I write for Motorsport.com, so I have to be in the loop. I also travel frequently overseas and my friends post on both social networks.

          • Clay Ford

            Hustlin man, good on ya. And I know the big rig life, I’m doing it now too.

      • http://www.antifmradio.com/ antifm

        same deal here. i im PC and been djing since 1999. All that time in clubs, production, radio, and as an EDM dj, and i still dont have a facebook account. (nor do i want one)

        • djfourmoney

          I have both, you two anti-social? I get the majority of my news from Facebook and Twitter. I have been DJ’ing since 1-9-8-6.

    • trooth

      all that bothersome copyright compliance… who do they think they are!

  • Foxhill

    Perhaps we can expect a Soundcloud that actually…works!

    • Dan White

      I’m curious – I hear this a bunch from our community – what do you consider to be “broken” about Soundcloud?

      • Foxhill

        Sidebars often fail to load. Entire pages often fail to load. When uploading a lot of content (like we do at The EDM Network), uploading often fails. Many times a day, I see, “Something went wrong. Please try again,” with a Retry button under it.

      • grab the browser extension Ghostery and turn on blocking for Analytics. watch what happens when you browse soundcloud (hundreds of hundreds of requests to server get blocked). This drastically slows down the performance of browsing soundcloud as it’s constantly pinging data back to it’s servers every time you click a link inside the website. hundreds of times more than any other website i’ve come across.

        • Foxhill

          I used to have Ghostery, but out of nowhere it started crashing on me all the time. I’ll try it again.

      • http://www.mixcloud.com/sevenkami/ Sevenkami

        No tracklisting, no timestamping, slow streaming, uploads and pageloads failing, silly fees.

        • http://www.westagemusic.com/ Marc

          Well, it is meant to be a SOUNDcloud and not a MIXcloud…

          • http://www.mixcloud.com/sevenkami/ Sevenkami

            True. But in a way they are competitors and those features don’t seem groundbreaking hard to add…

          • http://www.westagemusic.com/ Marc

            That’s right, but it is against soundclouds philosophy. They don’t want you to upload sets mixes because they include songs from other artists in most cases where you don’t have the rights. This is where Mixcloud shines, they are paying for every track that is played in a mix…

          • Viciouss Hoffmann

            But there should be a way to upload the sets, then for every track on the set should have a link to the original artist and on this link, soundcloud could ask the original artist to approve or deny the content.

            If the artist didn’t manifest in time, the set can continue to play as it is, if they deny, the part of the set that contains that track could be muted…
            Also would be awesome a better integration with DAWs and DJ Software to upload the tracks directly to SC with the tracklist alredy listed.
            So many things can be better…

          • http://www.westagemusic.com/ Marc

            Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have all my public and private music/sets/projects in one place. I just wanted to clarify what the reason behind soundcloud’s behavior is. I think they are not willing to pay for tracks as they were played…

          • Foxhill

            Yeah, licensing for mixes is a whole other issue entirely. I’ve not had any problems with slow streaming on my end – I can jump around a track almost immediately after hitting play. The failing uploading and pageloading, however, is extraordinarily annoying.

          • Mat Clayton

            I just wanted to say thank you for mentioning this, its something most of our users still don’t know. Mat (Mixcloud co-founder)

    • djfourmoney

      Soundcloud doesn’t work for you????????

    • Chaser720

      And the mobile version is that much worse.