• guest

    this method almost has it, but it’s still no Picard

  • MikeE

    I use a very similar system of smart playlists in itunes, and genre classification that I then narrow down in serato with crates on a per gig basis.

    When I get tunes first thing I do is wipe the comments and genre, grouping and comments metadata.

    In grouping I enter the catalogue number
    In comments I enter the label
    In Genre I go on set genres (make sure you spell them the same, which can be a problem for hip hop vs hip-hop vs hiphop etc) and then a dash with subgenre

    So for house

    Have a smart playlist for house (anything that contains “house” in genre)
    then Classic house is: house – classic

    and so on

    i.e.

    house – deep
    house – classic
    house – garage
    house – uk funky
    house – soulful

    then

    dubstep – dungeon
    dubstep – brostep
    dubstep – deep

    garage – uk/2step
    garage – dark

    drum & bass – liquid
    drum & bass – tech
    drum & bass – jump up

    etc etc

    I have smart playlists for label, genre, subgenre, tempo range, and anything else interesting..

  • Packman

    Where are the tags for ‘Rock’ in the PDF example?

  • http://www.facebook.com/nanaimocommunitydances Neil Cutler

    Fantastic System, but I pondered one thing: Is there a reason why the * for hit is used at the very end? If it were put at the beginning, then “Hits” could be easily pushed to the top by sorting your library by genre. Just wondered if there was a particular reason it’s at the end. (I noticed Serato DJ 1.6 doesn’t allow for “ends with” Smart Crate option)

  • Per Jakobsen

    Great article and good comments, I actually use comments to organize, my music, and use keywords like, (instrumental,cover,hitlist, vocal, mustplay) and so on, i also have some total unknown tags, that only mean something to me, but thie i have done for long time now, and it’s definetly helping me and i can create smart playlists on the fly

  • P?RTY.MCFLY

    This is pretty much exactly how I manage my music but I use the grouping tag in iTunes instead so it’s not as cluttered on the screen. That way I am able to use the Gene tag for the actual Gene of the track. But in the grouping tag I am able to add the extra tags to keep everything searchable for smart playlists.

    Nice job.

  • Gabriel

    Also where would I find the PDF you were talking about at the end of your video? Would be awesome to have as a guide.

    • SiKNAS

      +1

      • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

        check the above comment

  • Gabriel

    Awesome video helping me out a lot I just have so many tracks and most in spanish.

  • THORTZ

    I do a similar system,
    Though i use the comments area in iTunes instead.
    Otherwise its a split image of my current iTunes library & its worked for me for the past few years :)

  • ruff playa

    Nice. Can You make also example classification of electronic music? When I started collecting songs 15 years ago, I had only couple folders on my hdd like house, trance, club/techno, break… now I had around 30 and every year I have to split it and configure all tracks to new folders because there are so many sub genres coming out all the time…

  • pharaohg3

    Is there any software you could recommend that finds the BPM for all your tracks in your iTunes library? If not, I’m fine with a site or something of that such that is reliable… Since I am imputing this method into my library I’d much rather do it all together.

    • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

      The only software I use for that is the built in BPM in Traktor and Mixed in Key.

    • SiKNAS

      Actually, all the tracks that has been bpm detected in traktor shows up with bom in itunes :)
      It works both ways!

  • JBoogz26

    You’ll have 100 different “Hip Hop genres” tagging with this method.

    I like the idea, but I have implemented a system that doesn’t make my genre column look like a bracketed mess. I use the grouping tag for the extra stuff. Obviously year has its own place, so I don’t need that. The grouping just made sense to me. Doing it this way still allows for smart playlists, and, again, doesn’t make my library genres ridiculously cluttered.

    • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

      Yes, I agree you can use grouping and yes year is a way avoid the 1st tag (as the article suggests).

      I put it all in Genre because its simply more efficient to use (when less field to click) and I know every DJ software has recognizes the genre column.

      Frankly, I don’t even have my genre column “open,” so I never see it and since crowds aren’t dancing to how my music collection looks I could care less.

  • That Mexican DJ

    While this article talks itunes for changing tags …i like using rekordbox for this. Whatever new tracks I put on there i can select multiple tracks and change the genre of them all. Then you could always put on itunes after. All my tagging i do is through rekordbox first when i need to do multiple tracks at once I find it easier.

    • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

      Yes, you can use iTunes to alter multiple tags. Simply select multiple songs (cmd or shift plus “click”), then right click into “Get Info” (or cmd + i).

      BUT the whole idea is to tag each song individually for each song sounds different (unless you are tagging the different versions of the track i.e. clean, dirty, intro, acapella, etc, then tagging multiple songs at once makes sense), otherwise you defeat the purpose of the system.

  • http://www.ysthedj.com/ YS

    Why would you add all of those tags to ‘Genre’? Good idea but put them in comments or grouping.

    • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

      Many DJs use the comments section for Mixed In Key readings (with energy results as well).

      But yes, you could use the Genre tag for Top-level broad genres then use grouping for the Tags.

      I put it all in Genre because its simply more efficient to use (when less field to click) and I know every DJ software has recognizes the genre column…

  • aimee

    normally, you have the genre in your balls (or breasts), but here you must have it in your post (scnr)

  • DJ Maverick

    Great information, I wish I would have implemented something like this when I was first starting my library. It also stinks that you have to type the “[ ]” characters when searching.

    • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

      You don’t have to.

      I just do it for visual feedback of my system.

      As you can see the lower-level tags don’t have any spaces and use the “[]” as separators, thats why I did it.

      But you could use simple spaces, commas, etc, so you don’t have do the extra typing.

      This is just how I did it, to every DJ his own…

  • Futureglue Musik

    Keeping your genre tag simple is a good habit. I have been using this kind of system from the beginning of my digital library, although I don’t have any geographics attached to the tag.

    I use all the descriptive stuff in the comments section starting by the energy level, mood, tempo, lyrics, sub-genre or combination of genres. Also stuff like: 2b (2 buy: dl stuff to buy in lossless), 2e (2 erase at next cleanup) 128k (low quality file, old stuff I can’t find anywhere but is still a nice drop if everyone is drunk enough)..

    Then, I use Trainspotter to make dynamic smart playlists in Traktor based on energy level, sub-genre, bpm or any combination u can think of. It’s great for that. Get it!

    • Luiz Zen

      “but is still a nice drop if everyone is drunk enough” hahaha good one, mate! :)

  • Ryan Ruel

    Great article!

    I actually just wrote a program for the Mac called QuickTag that makes this tedious process much easier!

    It’s written in AppleScriptObjC, so it does only run on Mac’s. It runs along side iTunes in a separate window and uses AppleScript to talk to iTunes to actually update the tags. You then use Smart Playlists as the article states to sort your music however you like.

    In the App, as you click through your newly downloaded tracks listening to them, you select a new genre, a star rating, a category, then you tick off track attributes.

    In my case I used the Genre ID3 tag field for the genre, and the Comments field for the rest. I used different delimiters for each item to make them easily searchable in smart-playlists.

    (Genre) – Genre’s are tagged in “()’s” to differentiate your custom genres from ones from those from the music sites.

    – Ratings in iTunes aren’t stored in ID3, so I store in this format (1-5) in the comments to make them persistent if you move the file around.

    {Category} – This can be whatever you want, but only one of the set of 8 categories can be set at a time. I use things like “peak time”, “lounge”, “chill out”, etc.

    [Attributes] – You can configure up to 16 attributes, and tick off as many as you like for each track. These can be things like “glitchy”, “dark”, “vocals”, etc.

    QuickTag is working great for my collection, but I haven’t yet gone through the final process of getting it up on the app store.

    If anyone would like to test it out, let me know and I’d be happy to provide a beta copy :)

    • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

      Wow, thats really tight. Wish I knew about that earlier lol, would have made my sorting that much easier.

      I will definitely give your app a try

      Thanks

      • Ryan Ruel

        I wish I had written it about 5 years ago, I could have saved so much time!

    • Zachary Davis

      id love to try it out…. where i can i get a copy

      • Ryan Ruel

        Posted about it in the forums, go there and PM me for the link!

        http://forum.djtechtools.com/showthread.php?t=79100

        • pharaohg3

          I went to the link. I could not find the download link for it.

          • Ryan Ruel

            You need to PM me on the forum please.

          • pharaohg3

            I did. After I realized that.

  • Kool Rick

    I use a similar system, except I place mainly TOP LEVEL genres in that (genre) field and add the decade info elsewhere. Other genre levels are used in fields like comment and grouping. I also take advantage of the EMOJI characters on my Macbook (great for Serato users).

  • chris

    btw: you can run an second, or an third iTunes-library.

    >> iTunes: How to open an alternate iTunes Library file or create a new one <<

  • guest

    I don’t like messing with the genre tag. My guess it’s being done due to the severe limitations imposed by iTunes (those limitations are not present in superior media players such as foobar).

    Either leave the genre tag single-valued and put styles into another field (e.g., the field “style”) or use proper multi-value tags. Don’t go for silly limitations just because of a poor software such as iTunes. If you mess with your genre tags as suggested here, you MUST use smart playlists. You’ve lost the option to work meaningfully with filters, column sort, etc. (you can only do this for the top five categories).

    • Ryan Ruel

      Why does this matter? The genre tags are pretty useless that come from the music sites, at least for electronic music.

      iTunes, hate it or not, is supported everywhere, which makes it powerful. My iTunes collection works seamlessly with all of my DJ software. I haven’t found another option that works as well.

      • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

        Yes, you are correct on all accounts, which is the reason I choose iTunes

        • DJ Tank

          Their is something im confused about. For example, when playing off traktor from your itunes library, aren’t those tracks compressed for itunes therefore losing quality?

          • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

            All MP3s are compressed in some form.

            But if you are asking if iTunes has a second form of compression on top the flie native compression… the answer is no it does not.

            iTunes also does NOT alter the flie (unless you tell it to).

            For example, I use Platinum Notes. Before I had any song to my iTunes library, I run it through platinum notes to “heal” it and then put it in iTunes. iTunes doesn’t do anything to the file after that.

          • DJ Tank

            i was under the impression that itunes would convert wave files into another format but i figured it out. Thank you. I will have to try platinum notes.

    • oConnor

      the question about foobar or itunes

      i think foobar will be ok. i never use it, but i respect the work, and i hear much good about. There is no foobar for mac. But i hear often that iTunes is bad. So, iTunes is for many different users. For the Pros and the “only consumer”. And it works with real big libraries. << really big libraries. Most of my friends likes the "genius" in iTunes. (take a look at iTunes "genius") This is a big Community and share his music. And to buy an song in the store is very easy. And when you lost your music, or your plate is crashed, with just one simple click you get your music back.

      And if you use the cloud, you can store your professional music also there.

      and with the remote control for iPhone or iPad you control iTunes very easy from everywhere. And with "AirPlay" ….

      and truly the tags: either you know your music, or not. You could even have your music in an suitcase, and the crowd want to hear it. ;) With or without tags

    • http://www.djpc3.com/ DJ PC3

      Using my system doesn’t “hurt” your music collection so there is no problem with “messing” with.

      Never heard of Foobar, but I am pretty sure it doesn’t import libraries into all DJ software like iTunes (which is the point of the system, we are DJs).

      Does Foobar have smart-playlists, so you can create playlists on the very quickly?

      Also, in most DJ software you can search just one column (i.e. Genre, name, album etc) so you could just search the genre column, for example, for hip hop tracks that have a dirty sound (like in my system)

  • David

    Insightful. Given that the DJTT team seems to lean more towards either deep house and tech vibes, or otherwise underground approaches with regards to DJPC3 (or say, relatively mainstream hip hop), it would be interesting to hear their/your take(s) on this type of system for those of us geared towards that kind of sound. Great profile on this guy and his approach. thanks guys!

    • m

      Do you not remember when all the DJTT videos used glitchy brostep and electro? This method can be applied to any style of music