• DJMOXXY

    So far I”m just seeing this as a ploy for Pioneer to monopolize the industry even more. I’m sorry but in order to run a full Rekordbox set up from Pioneer, like a club would have installed your looking at around $4000-$7000 depending on what mixer you go with. Personally, I love the mystery of the DJ’s “secret arsenal”even if I know what the track is. To me, Kuvo is just a big gimmick for Pioneer to strip even more cash out of our pockets. Don’t get me wrong, I love Pioneer’s products but this is just cheesy. Instant gratification of knowing the name of a song? lame. Seriously takes the fun out of going to a great event and going through all the reviews and set lists the next day, which I enjoy.

  • Saleem

    This is cool, I hope they use this to also report plays to BMI, ASCAP, etc so artists get paid for plays like they should

  • http://www.sonicfantasia.com/ Sonic Fantasia

    DJs not using Rekordbox to organize their collection won’t have access to the same level of custom metadata.

  • Diego

    theres already shazaam, dont see the need of the kuvo, i think that is an excess because the work of a dj its also finding amazing tracks that nobody have.

  • Ellis Thomas

    Good technique for keeping track of time and managing the same with productivity. By profession I am an event manager and I use tools to manage the time for all possible aspects. This new approach for time tracking for DJ will surely define path for a successful time tracking.

    Well how about usage of a time tracking software for overall management. Is it not compatible in the approch?

  • Sjerk

    As always: nice article. Only one small remark: Café d’Anvers is in Antwerp, Belgium, not in The Netherlands.

  • Youhow2

    So, basically this is giving the RIAA a way to make more money off of clubs?

    I’ll pass.

  • Hege

    I’m playing from my laptop, which is running Rekordbox and it’s connected to internet; why can’t my laptop just send the track info to online without this NXS-GW device? I somehow don’t really get that why this concept is built like this. There would be way larger audience if no additional HW would be required from the club.

  • Mark Haus

    This has already been done with RADR aka Twitter.dj and honestly I think it’s a horrible idea unless its a streamed show like boiler room or something because of the distraction factor.

  • MidVinter

    This is bullshit and i tell you why, it has noting to do with djn but the control of the charts, what the djs are playing, as Pioneer themselves have a big chunk in the musicbizz and labels. and song request?, you mean you want to strive even further twards a jukebox than beeing a real dj. why not just dj from home with a camerasetup and livestream at bigscreens in the club. no need for a booth, expensive gear a drunk and mean dj, the request can be mailed directly to the dj @ home, and the promotor just pay via internet. enviromentalfriendly as well, as there is no need to drive a car or travel by airplane.

    DJ @ Home, brought to you by Pioneer, because we care!

  • Dan Booth

    This is less about DJs and audiences connecting and interacting and more about record companies and PRS type agencies collecting data about what’s playing where in order to bring more accuracy to their royalty revenues. That’s cool for producers, as long as the money filters back to them.

  • Larry

    I know some podcasts do display on the screen the track info that is playing but im not sure the same technology is really neccesary in a live situation.

  • Carlos Guerra

    May be if they add a song request feature would be more interesting.

  • guest

    I don’t really see the point in this software – what now you need a wlan in addition to the music system? All I see in the future is script kiddies taking over your decks remotely via wifi and ruining your set. Wifi is troublesome already with the computers, now you want to enable the same exploits within DJ gear? Come on.

    Also, IMO, maybe it’s my age, but I feel like the biggest Asset a DJ has is his/her music. All this “live-remixing” etc is just a distraction manouvre for not having good enough tunes. If a tune is phenomenally good, there’s no need to chop it up, beat repeat it etc. If you need to live-remix / mashup stuff to get people dancing, your records suck. You can make your mashups in advance, they’ll be tighter anyway..

    If someone likes a song that is being played, you go over to the DJ booth and ask (at an appropriate time) what that song just was you enjoyed. Is it really too much to ask? And in case of bigger venues, why not give bragging rights to your “music encyclopedia” mates by asking them what the DJ is playing? Or use Shazam.

    *endrant*

    • MidVinter

      Hahaha music hacker whizkiddies taking over the ethernet and wifi, that i would like to see, actually hear when David guetta or Tiesto spin scatman or What is love infront of 40 000 people, live via stream. that would be a sight for sore eyes ;D

      The mashuphype has gone far enough, most of these so called mashups are not even real mashups, its clips or samples, glued together buliding some monstrocity of sound that they want resemble music, some are of key, the beat is not 100%, its more of a smashup then a real work of art.

      When you do a mash or remix you want the artist or vocalist to shine even more then before, you dont want to embarass them because you made an ass out of both yourself and them in the process.

      Its one thing of doing this for fun and accept it for what it is, its another of doing this “prostyle” and expect respect and revered opinions like many do on soundcloud, and if you dont get viral, why not buy your votes, plays and comments like you can do on facebook, youtube or soundcloud. why keep it real when you can be fake and pretend and convince others that you are a superstar.

  • Traktor Tips

    Yep – truly disgusted in this type of stuff! We are moving AWAY from music and into technology – we are being removed from the present and being hooked on devices. I have my own little rant about this on my news show – I go to a club to dance and get lost in the music, not to record shop!
    thanks to DJ Tech Tools for highlighting this piece of equipment.

  • Mr. Leenknecht

    Café d’Anvers is in Anvers (Antwerp) >> Belgium

  • Pieman

    I don’t like sounding negative on this site but we spend years finding tracks and now the customer doesn’t even need to come and speak to the DJ to find out what they are. They can now also see your exact playlist and in what order. All these track listings will be analysed by some super computer somewhere and we’ll out be out of jobs. If you want to know what I play. Stand there for 6 hours and listen. It’s the least they could do.

  • Dustin

    Step 1: Use it or don’t use it.
    Step 2: stfu.

  • jesus juice

    its funny cuz i see everyone complaining bout it, defending it, whatever your deal may be… check it out… it has an on/off switch. you dont like it, turn it off… you do like it? turn it back on! end of discussion.

    • MidVinter

      If people wasnt so fucking horney for buttons like the syncbutton, we would not have this boring debate of what right or wrong, Pioneer made a big mistake bringing that to the CDJs, now they make another with this dj in a jukeboxcrap.

      They used to stand for something, now they are just fumbleing in the dark grasping whatever straw they can. Why not stick to what you are good at, and stop stealing other companies ideas calling it industry first, when someone else have had a similar product for years. Aim for djs and what we represent you dont try to fix something that is not broken, Pioneer has made clusterfuck nr 1, they broke somehting that was perfect.

      • jesus juice

        i understand the never ending sync debate but my comment has nothing to do with that… and if you read the article its not really a dj in a juke box… smh…. i feel you doe…. respect

  • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    I have to share this as a gamer and yet this is based on youtube but gaming is a crative media like music and is also relevant if metadata syncs to DRM in music especially when producing bootlegs or re-edit which may kill the the music, this may be youtube but royalty slams could ruin some DJ’s careers and why I show massive concern over the kuvo…

    • Rob Burns

      I can imagine you will have to pay for the original track but there will be no issue with bootlegs and remixes as long as you source and aren’t selling the track as your own.

      • Rob Burns

        … You can for example still post your “mixes” on Youtube without them being pulled as long as you source the material and state you don’t own the writes.

        • MidVinter

          Bullshit, thats not true, it all depends how much viewers and subscribers you have, there are guys who posted mixtapes allmost identical and they got pulled in an instant, while some other brownnose got his on the chart and pulled in the big bux. so no you cant post shit on youtube without have it screened and then later taken down if the producer claim copyright. And when you have this censorchip, the whole idea of a dj is right down the toilet. i know guys who make a living on mxtapes, showcases and gigs, and spreading mixtapes is one of them using tools like youtube, nut no more. Which sane person spend hours on a mixtape that you dont know will clear youtube customs.

          Youtube is shoot, nothing legit about it, i use it to watch some info about guns and games, nothing more, the musicindustry is more fucked up then before, and youtube is one of the reasons behind it.

  • OmnilimbO

    I’m seeing Pioneer get greedier and greedier these days, as each step they take seems to lead us closer to forced DRM/licensing, and the forced use of their RekordBox. Almost is if they are desperately trying to secure some financial future (via licencing/etc) as they see the end of the CDJ’s life on the horizon.

    • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

      a more closed eco-system (like apple) can provide quality, but dose provide secure business, personally it don’t surprise more companies work this way after people saw the rise of apple to work that way to secure profit. I can see a this going like smart phones (android vs ios) Pioneer vs Separate audio gear

    • Rob Burns

      DJs will have to actually purchase their music or maybe even write original material (no DRM required)… sad day

      • Rob Burns

        … and if all music run through the decks had to be copy-write protected it would cut down on the hacks who would be more likely to steal your setlists; which so many are whining about.

      • MidVinter

        Oooh no more pirated crappy mp3s, how sad on a scale would that be? ZERO!, if people bought more music and other media for their pleasure, maybe the quality would be much better, and not stressed out to hit a deadline and served and sold as a halfdead, dull and wortless mastered piece of crap!

        • Rob Burns

          Bingo

    • Rob Burns

      … also I don’t see them forcing you to use their software operate the gear. It would exclude a very large portion of the market (Serato, Traktor, Ableton Live users ect) and would be a very poor business model.

      • Dan White

        Yeah, Pioneer just launched a Serato co-branded version of the DJM-900 – I don’t see them locking people into Rekordbox anytime soon. If anything, I’d suspect that they’ll add HID info passing out of Traktor/Serato and into the KUVO system….

        • MidVinter

          Traktor will NEVER happen, as there is a war between manufacturers that feel beeing wronged by Native, with good reason

      • MidVinter

        The first thing you see when you turn on a CDJ 2000 is REKORDBOX, and you can barly manage the system without it, forcing you in the web of RB and other crap. RB can be vastly improved, ive sent several “humble” pointers to that fact and got no reply back, that beeing said pioneer dont give a rats ass of what we think. when they are about to launch a new product, the listen like kids around a fire on christmas, but after we have bought it and the bugs and mishaps start to show, they show a talk to the hand attitude, lika many other dj gear producer in the business.

        Same shit different name and treatment

    • MidVinter

      If they claim to care about quality, why in hell have they not researched a program to tag Wav or Aiff files or the use of FLAC to be used in rekordbox or cdjs.

      CDJs give you a waveform in an instant if you use cds, but you have to analyze the shit out of the track in rekordbox to get a reading and in some cases its not even 75% certain that its correct.

      Pioneer is not only greedy, the lead the development in new technology to bound djs even further, and to force them using media that is under the normal standard of whats good quality in sound. If Pioneer were smart, they would not have jumped the mp3 bandwagon. it was ok on the cdj1000 mk3, but with bigger and faster transport regarding internet, that claim is flawed, no need for cheepy crappy tracks, aim for the best and people will buy it.

      Before i looked at Pioneer lika company like Funktion One, the produced gear for djs that wanted to reach a higher level, and you certainly did.

      Now?, anyone can dj, as long as you have a fat wallet if you want the best, or you buy the most crappy midiboard known to man, its good, it has to be, it says Pioneer on the logo.

      Pioneer has gone from making extraordinary gear for djs and really leading the development, to making som of the best and most expensive crap in the entire industry.

      Ive been a loyal Pioneer customers for many, many years, started off with CDJ 500II and S, went to CDJ 800 / CDJ 1000 / Mk3s, CDJ 2000s, DJ M500, 600, 909. 800, RMX 1000 and so on, but im not sure if i want to continue supporting a company that has sold out and forgotten about their values and what they stood for.

  • djbolivia

    Regardless of whether or not DJ’s and/or the public embraces this technology, a drawback to the effectiveness of the system is that it is limited to Pioneer equipment. In other words, the metadata won’t stream if a DJ is using vinyl or Ableton. Perhaps this is indirectly seen as a benefit by Pioneer, as it would build brand loyalty, but the variety of ways that DJ’s perform will inherently prevent universal adoption.

    • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

      but isn’t pioneer already a standard, I’m not personally not liking the locking down of some DJ eco systems, personally sperate gear were always more fun to me to work off…

    • Rob Burns

      This criticism actually finally makes sense. It will be interesting to see how they handle this.

    • MidVinter

      Thats one more reason regarding pioneer to buy their stuff, no need for 2nd brands / medias or program.

      Pioneer has the ultimate solution and you should buy it, no questions asked.
      As long as Pioneer dont support HQ media i will not upgrade, i can run my CDJ 2000 vanilla fine as is, using Cds or wavs, on sd or usb, but i deteste RB, i really do.
      its backwards, its stupid and there is no logic behind it at all. i understand the purpose and what the try to accomplish but no, talk about assdive or stumbeling on the yardline.

  • Robert Wulfman

    I think if this catches on it could make things like large festivals and summers in ibiza really interesting

    • MidVinter

      Bring on the hackers, hahaha i would actually pay money to see that.

  • Niko Budas

    Honestly I can’t stand all the grumbling. Isn’t it great that by thechnology like that especially new artists can get into a direct interaction with the public? I mean what better way to promote my track than a DJ playing it and somebody in the crowd finding out the name of the track? and by the way: we can’t stop technology, so we should make the best of it…

    • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

      beatport and shazamm already do this making it redundant.

      • Rob Burns

        They don’t let you send the DJ comments in real time and have them respond. Yeah Twitter does this but having it all in one with recorded Meta Data is convenient.

        • Jayson Joyce

          Already done with RADR DJ linked to Twitter – (Can use it with Serato/Traktor/Ableton) – Kuvo = Redundant

      • MidVinter

        But its it not Pioneer, hence its not industry first, and not a clubstandard, dont matter if this have been used for 5 or 10 years, when Pioneer bring something to the table they are the first PERIOD, who gives a fuck if Numark had the stripsearch, or Denon had slipmode, or dump, or duallayer playback on cd, or effects that actually worked. its was not from Pioneer.

        The true dictator of the dj industry have spoken!

        • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

          “The first thing you see when you turn on a CDJ 2000 is REKORDBOX, and you can barly manage the system without it, forcing you in the web of RB and other crap. RB can be vastly improved, ive sent several “humble” pointers to that fact and got no reply back, that beeing said pioneer dont give a rats ass of what we think. when they are about to launch a new product, the listen like kids around a fire on christmas, but after we have bought it and the bugs and mishaps start to show, they show a talk to the hand attitude, lika many other dj gear producer in the business.

          Same shit different name and treatment”

          contradiction me thinks, pioneer is not the standard but the tech in side, so if a piece of kit becomes widely used it becomes a standard??? this will be no more than a re-hash off old standardised tech just like in the CDJ-2000:

          1 DJ link: IT network protocol using cat 5 cable standard before pioneer

          2 track names on screen: ID3 tags standard before pioneer

          3 midi: in use since the 70′s

          4:HID: protocol used in mice and keyboards standard before pioneer

          rehashes hardly make a standard especially with a company name like pioneer, just not very pioneering adding features to a CDJ 1000 which is what this and the 2000′s are…

          • Alfredo

            “so if a piece of kit becomes widely used it becomes a standard???”
            Exactly, that’s what “standard” means.

  • jlad00

    I don’t get it.

    It’s official, Im going back to vinyl.

  • weezy

    I prefer people to personally come ask me what song is playing (hopefully that don’t stay and try and start a conversation that is the worst). It helps show that you’re doing one of the most important roles of djing…… educating people with NEW music.

    • stefanhapper

      Yes, asking is ok of course. But it really means that a DJ sees him/herself as a gatekeeper between the producer and the audience. But I see the role more as a bridge, especially as the audience nowadays has access to the very same tunes as the DJ.

    • djbolivia

      That only works in small venues. When you’re playing to a huge crowd or in a venue with access control that doesn’t work. Having said that, I like sharing my set lists after shows.

  • Dustin

    It’s funny how upset people get when you make a new option available to a traditional system.

    • Jayson Joyce

      Think we get upset because the change or new option is for reasons other than bettering the party or improving the music…I think its obvious that in the last 24 months companies and wealthy individuals have come into the dance scene to “monetize” what they see as a huge untapped opportunity. But the real question is what was wrong with the old way..innovations like DVS and CDJ’s and FX have added to the party…knowing what song is playing and sharing it to the world in real time doesn’t add to the party because by default you can’t do anything with the information while your at the party! So why add a distraction to the vibe of the party. If you need the information after the party just use Shazam like everyone already uses.

      • dontwannalogin

        “I screw my girlfriend to this song” – lmao. You know it won’t be long before stuff like “I screwed your mom to this song” pop up.

      • Dustin

        Broski, Pioneer isn’t requiring that you use this product. I figured that would be obvious but I guess not! Ha!

  • Broseph$talin

    This is useless and will ruin a dance floor. if you want to give a DJ feed back through your phone or computer go to Mixify.

  • stefanhapper

    I am surprised that the overall feedback in the comments is so negative. The big thing about this is that the leading club equipment supplier is serious about real-time tracking the songs of DJs and clubs worldwide.

    The possibilities for interaction, re-use and interlinking this meta-data are endless. Not everybody will like it and not all DJs will use it but it will be for sure a big step for DJing if Pioneer can make this work.

    • Jayson Joyce

      But a big step for who? I think that it says something that this is a DJ site and most DJ’s don’t think its a good idea..I’m not saying technology improvements aren’t welcomed but they have to add to the energy of the party…its like texting and driving..too distracted and you crash..either do one or the other..dance or do music research..not both. If you want to improve parties have a strict no phone policy like Output in Brooklyn, great club that gets great reviews and big names and a lot of clubs in Europe are no phones as well, then people are free to dance..That’s the point right..

      • RAFH

        well fucking said sir….

      • stefanhapper

        I agree with you that the increase of phones on the dancefloor or in bars / clubs in general is maybe not ideal (but the main driver for this is the phone camera and will never be a Pioneer app). But the smartphone is just one aspect of it. You could theoretically also have a big screen showing the current playing track. Or people can use it after the party or next day at home. The big thing is the tracking and availability of this metadata.

        • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

          tracking and availability of metadata, sounds like the NSA tracking clubbers now XD. But seriously how do you know metadata about you on say a smartphone, isnt being used in a bad way, metadata is too open and dangerously prone to misuse. this could get tied in to DRM which is a big no no, plus the tech is already out there for smartphones so whats the point?

          • stefanhapper

            The point is that this metadata is recorded – and it actually avoids that I have to get out my phone on the dancefloor and launch Shazam. I can simply go the next day on the site and check out the songs that I enjoyed the night before.

          • J Crenshaw

            Yet all this can be done without a proprietary box and extra cost.. Good ol Pioneer..

          • Rob Burns

            Also DJs (like Richie Hawtin apparently) are using it to have two way communication with the crowd. Sure you can scream “make some f***ing noise!” in a mic and hear the crowd respond but being able to interact one on one or more intimately with the crowd is an interesting concept.

          • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

            hang on a big point a while ago was to get digital DJ of laptops to interact with the crowd more so now we swap to a phone?

  • Jayson Joyce

    I checked out the website and the app the first day it was available and I have to agree with 90% of the posts..I don’t see this adding energy or helping the party…I see it as something that sounds like a great idea in the boardroom (certainly solidifies Pioneer as the default club CDJ and Mixer combo) but really adds nothing to the experience of partying and having fun..at a Halloween party last night in South Beach everyone was dancing and having a great time because it was underground and after hours and they came to dance…not many were using phones. I hate going to clubs where everyone has a phone out taking Instagram selfies or texting how much fun they are having (really?) Plus I think it will lead to lower sales for independent music producers not more as Mark Knight in the overview video because now people know which song / artist to search for on YouTube or other sites and will download them with Chrome extensions or something..where as before you could at least count on the people that went through the trouble of digging and finding a track on Beatport or other online retailers buying the track. Lastly, I don’t think most DJ’s are upset about giving up their tracks, what upsets me is that the playlist shows how I built the set which is the blueprint to a great night. You can have the pieces to the puzzle but unoriginal / uncreative people copy the whole playlist and it pisses me off. Anyway, I don’t see a need for Kuvo from a fan of dance club standpoint, it really only helps Pioneer, Beatport, and Big Festivals (all of which have been taken over by Wall Street by the way and some guy in suit probably thought this would be a great idea to monetize EDM and turn it into Facebook or something )

    • scamo

      Hmm….I get your argument, but really, the attention span of a party goer is shrinking like everyone else’s. And party goers aren’t dancing 100% of the time or contributing to the energy of the party 100% of the time either. So if you can fill their party experience with immersive information about you and your music choices, that to me adds to the experience of the party. It certainly doesn’t take away from it.

      And let’s face it, the younger generations of today relate with people more through their cell phone than with people directly. It IS the new age of communication and relationships. To deny this is idiotic. So, if you can “relate” to these people on their level as a DJ, it is definitely a winning situation for you. I think this move to feed information about what you, the DJ, are all about and what you are playing is good. It just has to be done right.

      Also, your argument about losing sales for the independent music producer is off. People who are more likely to buy the music will and others who aren’t likely to buy music simply won’t. This meta data system won’t affect those attitudes one iota. It will, however, help the one’s who want to buy music to find that music faster. That is a plus in my book too.

      scamo

      • Jayson Joyce

        I’m not denying it..I’m saying we already have the tools to do it now so why do we need another social app…We have Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Vine, Pinterest, Foursquare, etc. and all are used by DJ’s to relate to the audience now…There are already apps like Hawtin’s RADR.dj and Traktor Scobbler to tweet out real time what tracks are playing for Traktor users to the world..Add a hashtag for the venue or the DJ name and the whole world would be able to see it.
        To me the ideal innovation for Pioneer would be to use the WiFi capabilities of the Nexus line of products to do something similar..allow the addition of Twitter account to CDJ 2000 and hit broadcast when you start playing..That would serve the purpose, use a popular network already in place (and all the followers the DJ has already spent time and effort and money to build). A final playlist could be tweeted when the set is over automatically… that would keep the party vibe uninterrupted, and everyone would be happy and it would be innovative. But that wouldn’t solidify Pioneer in the DJ booth using their equipment, create analytic data on app users for them to sell to consultants/marketers or allow future opportunities to monetize EDM for themselves in an app…

        • stefanhapper

          It is true that Pioneer should open up the data – via a public API – so that other websites, the DJs themselves etc can re-use the data.

          • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

            wont happen closed eco-system like the apple biz model unless they partner with company that develop tech that pioneer can’t. recordbox for example.and HiD support with traktor

      • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        so what is the point when we have shzamm?

  • Sergio Pantaleo

    I’ve been working on such kind of solution for several months now. Reading HID informations from Serato and Traktor and sending them to a website over a chat like application. With exactly the same interactions (likes, comments, and so on). I can see their solution working straight from CD Player but I think that it will be based on Pro DJ Link protocol, so only compatible with Pioneer CDJs.

    • stefanhapper

      Your original comment disappeared. Now reappeared as “guest” – why are you hiding your solution / identity?

  • http://www.viperfunk.com/ jprime

    “Current track playing is a loop of Afrika Bambaataa & The Nebula Funk – Mind Control (Danmass Instrumental) with a Loop from Plump DJ’s – Electric Disco (bass down), alternating every 4th measure with a loop comprised of RUN DMC’s Peter Piper. There is an acapella of Eminem’s Without Me playing overtop”

    O_O

    • scamo

      Hehehehe….good point. I highly doubt that kind of depth or detail of meta data will be possible.

      scamo

  • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    a way for other DJ’s to steal other DJ’s dance floor destroyers, we can share a little to much…

    • DJ Rob Ticho,Club mU

      I’m amazed at how many other DJs expect me to tell them all the tracks im playing. Or worse they don’t even hide their trainspotting and go right up to my screen and start writing down track names. The funny thing is that in this age of sharing, they have no idea they are doing anything wrong.

    • Rob Burns

      “Another DJs floor destroyers” lol you mean a track you got off of another producer and you’ve been getting credit for pressing play before anyone else. Write your own music = problem solved.

      • Rob Burns

        …or even custom edits… No one can steal your bootlegs

        • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

          don’t matter if it’s other DJ work it’s what we do as a job ” we play other people music”. my own edits or not. not every gig wants to bang out your own stuff for hours at a time unless your working as a superstar DJ, or you exclusively produce like deadmau5 this crap will be switched if a rig i get on has one of these…

          • Rob Burns

            Exactly… and many people feel that is a good thing. It means it forces people to add a creative edge and give more of their personality to the experience. If you aren’t adding anything to the experience I don’t see the point, and if you study the history of dance music it was never that way. Even the earliest DJ weren’t just rehashing records they were heavily involved in crafting an experience from producing and live drum machine routines (to add bass to weaker records) to actually designing custom speakers. I’m not knocking your focused passion, but I find the general laziness of DJs odd (not necessarily You). Instead of complaining; creatively come up with new ways to push the boundary of the experience. It will put your unique signature, vision and message into the experience as a result. No robot or poser can ever do that.

          • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

            so would you share you re-edit or remixes if you had this tech installed?

          • Rob Burns

            Short answer yes. I want people to know its original work it makes me stand out as an artist and not a human iPod. The crowd reading data in a track and having access to my unreleased work are two very different things. Crowd hears new executing track, reads data, finds website, is directed to like page for access to said track and artist gets more bookings. It’s a win win… That is if you actually write and perform music and aren’t relying on a career of “I can find music before you can” attitude.

          • OmnilimbO

            There is virtually zero possibility of my own sets being replicated, I’m not even worried there; I’m speaking more in reference to what was said about copying set lists of other DJs. As for my own rig, I’m doing pretty much all those things you’ve mentioned and then some… every track is getting some sort of reworking, be it live remixing, FX, looping, laying beats on top, and I’m incorporating some pretty extensive external analog gear to add into/ontop of with live beats, synth work, my own productions/field sourced material/&sound design elements… with a few hardware mods to boot. But I’m not talking about all that, nor how I may use it. I do agree with you that a DJ’s creativity lies greatly upon developing a new experience from the tunes of others, but the issue at hand is copying other peoples work, namely track sourcing. If a DJ has to go and ride the heels of another in order to get their tunes, letting others do their legwork… then they are the ones being effin lazy . I can totally see why this is bothersome to people.

          • Rob Burns

            I hear You brother… but it will be out there just keep doing you and giving the world the gift of your unique creativity. I wouldn’t worry about the lazy ones they always weed themselves out.

          • OmnilimbO

            Rob, many DJ’s spend just as much, if not more time searching for songs then they do DJing. I know I spend multiple hours every single day listening through countless tracks to find just a few, and I’m certainly not alone in doing so. To have another “DJ” come up and in 2 minutes copy your whole set that you spent days or weeks seeking, programming, and tweaking to flow… well that just sucks. Asking for a title or two, alright… but tracing a whole set is like stealing another chef’s recipe to serve at you own restaurant…can ya really call yourself a chef after that?!
            A massive part of DJing has always been digging.

          • Rob Burns

            Agree… but it will change… IMO digging will be replaced by the colab networks forming where DJs and Producers can share information instantly over the net to keep fresh and unique sets possible at a rapid rate.

  • chris

    Cafe d’Anvers is in Antwerp, Belgium…

  • Ewan Matheson

    I agree with the below sentiments on mobile phones in clubs etc… But a more pressing matter in my mind is bottom line… Why would a club install a system that provides the public with a service that you would otherwise need to pay for (in a free entry club through drink costs or a door charge)

    I can’t imagine this being a great sell for club owners/promoters…

    • Ewan Matheson

      Or have I misunderstood this and it’s only track metadata that is uploaded? Actually.. A wider problem is I’m not sure I understand what the point of it is…

  • nudephotomusic

    Being a promoter, dj, and producer and going out frequently – I’ve often noticed what a vibe-killer phones on the dancefloor are. Before you label me a Luddite, I also run a successful business doing consulting in the mobile phone & social media spaces and all I can think of is how bad this sucks. At a club – I don’t want technology that gets people’s attention into a glowing screen – I want people to listen and dance to the music, and be present in the space. Additionally – the request thing may be appropriate for wedding & corporate djs – but you really think a random high/drunk person in the crowd is going to know exactly what track to drop at which time? Seems like a solution looking for a problem, and it brings no benefits to my own experience.

    • http://www.lightinggeek.ca/ LightingGeek

      Good point. People should enjoy more without their cellphones. But the system in topic would be a potential online to offline monetize idea.

  • 12

    For me as a DJ i´m booked on clubs for what i play and how i blend it during the night. The purpose is to draw people to that. Think this will backfire for us DJ if they install this. Think everybody will play same songs in the long run…..

    • Rob Burns

      … So again maybe it will weed it out to those that can actually provide something unique live… Picking a list of other people’s song and deciding how to blend them is not a high skill set anymore let alone an art. It wasn’t even like that in the early days. The original disco and house djs were all very involved with the local producers if not producing themselves. So if you’re a profession mixer I don’t see there being a demand for that much longer.

    • Rob Burns

      … and people can’t play the same songs if they are unique non-released originals or personal bootlegs. Also, if you play certain things live you will be the only one in the world to do it like you and no one can copy that.

  • Wookie

    That stuff sucks! No it is one excuse more to stay at home – you going to find out music from the club anyway so why bother and go out to town to listen to a dj when you get everything online. BIG NO !

  • O

    Put your phones away or get off the dance floor!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Gavin

    Seems like a waste of time. Just gives people yet another reason to take their phone out of their pocket in the middle of the dancefloor during a party. As if that wasn’t happening more than enough already.

    • Dan White

      Except unlike current use, it’s not a pure distraction. Pulling out your phone to find out the name of the track playing seems more engaged with the DJ and the experience than, say, checking your Snapchats.

      • Gavin

        That is true to a point. But this not only gives people a reason, it tells them to, it encourages it.

        And I don’t know if I agree that is keeps people any more engaged with the DJ than if they had their phone in their pocket (or like when I started going to raves in the mid 90′s, no phone on them at all). Anything that takes away from the music/party by bringing phones out of pockets is a bad thing to me.

        • Daggers

          I agree with Gav here. It doesn’t matter why, but phones kill the vibe. Out in smokers they are fine, but on the floor, nup not buying it.

          I’ll also add that if a DJ requires people to know his tracks, he isn’t pulling a good enough vibe. People should be able to dance regardless of the track.

          • leeeeeeedstho

            People will still dance irrespective of the track played. This is just another way for clubbers and party-goers to interact with the music and get a better appreciation for the scene.

          • James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

            not true for all venues it’s like saying i will play a rock song at a techno party (and I dont mean a remix) and you will dance because i’m a DJ I know better than you, it will just piss people off…

          • Guest

            “I know better than You”… yeeeep its exactly that kind of attitude that gives “DJ”s a bad rap. Maybe instead “its an honor you’ve spent your money so for me to conduct your experience this evening” is a better attitude. Maybe its just me.

      • BtrayinMF

        Damn dude did it ever occur to you that some people like to go to the clubs and just dance to the music? i know this a dj forum but god damn just like Gavin said As if that wasn’t happening more than enough already. This shit is fine if there is some famous dj performing where all eyes are on him but besides that i doubt this will take off.

        • Dan White

          Occur to me? I do it all the time! :)
          I also have lots of times where I’m having a great night and dancing to the music and want to know what’s on the decks so I can go get a copy of the playing track for myself. That’s why this is interesting, IMO.

          • BtrayinMF

            ok well if you are a resident dj at a club that packs it in on a nightly basis then go do that.

          • Rob Burns

            … also if you’re an upcoming indie artist and spent months on a piece to present to people, now they can identify and locate your work.

    • CheeseyNuggets

      Agreed, plus Ean’s article about future technology seems a bit more realistic now

    • Robert Wulfman

      You don’t have to take your phone out at the club to make use of it. You could just simply check the tracklist online once you get home

  • Tom Hammer

    Sounds awesome! Shazam has been such a marvellous app in the past at in the moment allowing me to identify great music in the club. I can see a potential concern here though, internet access. Clubs are often underground or surrounded by heavy thick walls to prevent the sound and I know for sure that many of the clubs I visit I get ‘No Service’. So I guess this would immediately hinder the use, I can’t imagine clubs providing free wifi for 100′s to join either. Shazam combats this by allowing offline tagging, saved me countless times. Maybe if KUVO could do that, allow you to hit like a ‘show me later’ button and then it could cross reference when you get somewhere with online access. Sounds cool either way!

  • David Cabasso

    Pioneer no doubt has a plan to monetize this system. The question remains to be when and how.

    • Gavin

      Track tagging and a spif from Beatport when you buy the track though the app.

    • thebigblaa

      Their own store or % of leads to existing store. Copyright returns …

  • Matt

    So how long before this gets layered into a DRM system?

    • David Cabasso

      +100000000000