Ableton NEEDs to start including a FULL version of their software, it is way too pricey

if you don’t own Live, you can do quite a lot with Live Intro. Push is competitively priced and if own Live 8 suite you can get a discount on Live 9 and Push. Ableton don’t NEED to do anything.

Servers are totally screwed right now for ableton.

Well I’m just saying, based on every other flagship controller that is produced for a specific software, it usually comes with the software that it was intended for! I mean if I’m throwing down 600 bucks for a push I’d expect it to be paired with at least the standard version of the software with a reduced price to upgrade to SUITE. I completely agree that it is competitively priced, but it defiantly should be paired with a standard version of the software, to take advantage of the capabilities of the controller

Yup! $600 gets you a (beautiful) controller with extremely limited functionality. They would have to lower their prices on standard suite if they included a better software package with push though

Imo, if you compare Live & Push to it’s competitor, Maschine, Live is cheaper, Push does a lot more, and Live Intro does a lot more than the maschine software.

(1) Live and Maschine are totally different animals. They aren’t really direct competitors; actually they complement each other well if you have $1500 laying around. (2) Maschine is overpriced too. (3) The Push looks amazing but yeah it’s way overpriced considering an APC40 costs $250. (4) None of this will stop the things from flying off the shelves. The only thing keeping me from preordering one myself is probably the fact that I’ve barely used Live since I upgraded from Live 7 to 8 a couple years ago….

APC40 costs $250 ??
I don’t know where you found that price tag… Here in Europe it’s still 400 euros for a new unit (second-hand gear would be comparing apples and bananas…).

Yeah US prices are at an all time low for new units!

Can’t wait to see what mad Zach can get this thing to do. Ableton is so versatile for mixing and making music it will be sweet to see the push hard wear really pushed

Brand new units are $187 with free shipping from amazon.com right now, so even less than 250. And it’s been available for 200-250 for at least the last 2 years. The Push has a lot of features the Akai doesn’t, and of course it is built to integrate with 9, but if you perform with Ableton live you really can’t go wrong with the APC40.

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The APC40 doesn’t do half of what the Push does, first off the pads on the APC40 aren’t pressure sensitive, the Push pads are pressure sensitive, plus they have after touch, big difference. Secondly, Push can control every aspect of live, its completely integrated. Those two features alone make it worth a lot more than the APC40. If all you do with Ableton is DJ, then the APC40 is great, but if you want to play Live like an instrument then Push will be the way to go. I can’t wait to get my hands on a Push, and I’ll likely sell both my APC40 and my PadKontrol once I have it since it does the job of both plus a lot more, and there is package pricing if you buy your upgrade and Push at the same time which brings the price down

It is $181.94 on amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Akai-APC40-Ableton-Controller/dp/B001T9O60Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363232463&sr=8-1&keywords=apc+40