• ricky

    where is part two? its been over a year????

  • bleh

    WHAT THE FUCK ? What is it with most of the videos using electro/house/EDM music to showcase their videos?. Why not use hip hop? It seems like more of a challenge.

  • http://twitter.com/ohforfs Kevin McCaughey

    This was written a year ago, but I still can’t seem to find Part 2 – has it been done yet? If not, can you suggest where to go to next please? I have Lynda.com but the lessons on Ableton there aren’t really related to DJ’ing. I am new to this, though used to mix terribly on a set of vinyl decks ;) I like ableton as I am more interested in being creative than beat matching.

  • Glen

    uhmm… few questions.. 1. can i choose another BPM to warp at? for example: warp a 135 track into a 125 track so all my tracks in my set, are set to 1 bpm?
    2. i play a bit more uk funky/glitch… it never lines up properly on complex pro modes.. should i use another mode?

  • tom

    where is part 2 ???

  • http://www.PapaHeavyPsy.com/ Papa Heavy Psy

    Wish I read this 5 years ago.

  • Barrym0219

    one tips for new live users. with ableton, u r not remixing songs, u r manipluating loops, and samples.

  • http://www.hereinaid.com/ Kashfi

    De donde está part two bro? 

  • Indamix

    I love Ableton live , but for djing i hate Those Gazillion hours of Warping so i prefer to mix with my cdjs 900 

    • Echosafari

      I hate warping too so I found a lazy way around it.. you still have to find the exact start of your track and “warp from here”, but at the bottom of each track you can view the track delay (in milliseconds), so if your tempos drift when playing long tracks, you can adjust the track delay on the fly by like 5 or 10 MS until your mix sits in the groove the way you want it.  It’s not perfect, but works like slowing down a record.  You don’t want to change the delay by more than 5 or 10 MS at a time or you can hear the change but it’s not that noticeable.  You also want to reset it before putting on the next tune.  Play with it though and you might like it.  I’ve never heard of anyone else doing this so maybe you’ll discover a way to improve on it as you go.  I use this and mix with Ableton without headphones now because you know that the track is going to start at the right place, so you only need to adjust things as you go along.  Cheers!   

  • http://www.facebook.com/TheDanielJames Daniel James

    Thanks so much for the beginner tips. I love this new hobby and this site!

  • http://twitter.com/stu415 stu fisher

    any comments on how to effectively warp a vocal/acapella track?

  • Sean

    I might be way old school in my thought process but i can’t be the only one. in addition to doing a piece like this, i’d be really interested to see if you could approach the ideology and concepts behind breaking down a track to it’s components in order to utilize a live performance software like Ableton (or even the release of Traktor’s latest update) to its fullest potential. 
    I tend to think of songs in sections as opposed to clips, so it’s taking some adjustment for me to conceive how people are motivated to spend their time mining tracks for parts and pieces. I would love to see a different perspective and i think a ton of other people would appreciate that as well. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/nic.defn Nic Defn

    Why promote laptops! when you can promote records!! Just play vinyl. Artistry should never be replaced by convenience. Fair enough if you want to do a live set up, but just pressing play on a few scenes in Ableton doesnt constitute. I dont see how all this technology has advanced the performance of a DJ or Artist. 

    If you want a real live set up, check out Skudge’s set up. (might not be everyones taste, but just for the idea)

    Just thought id throw my opinion out there

  • A83

    What is the case that is used to hold the controller in the top image?

    • Echosafari

      I think it’s a Soundcraft mixer, but I might be wrong.  Isn’t that an older picture of Sasha? He really pioneered the DJ’ing with ableton thing when it first came out.

  • Echosafari

    I reluctantly sold my 1200′s and got an Alesis QX49 keyboard controller with 8 faders, 8 knobs, and 4 “drum pads” to control Ableton Live Lite that came with it.  I also bought an Audio Kontrol 1 for a sound card.  It has taken over 6 months to get to where I feel comfortable enough to play out and I don’t ever think that my new setup will be as spontaneous as vinyl was.  That being said, here are the pluses that I think outweigh that loss as I learn to DJ with ableton.
     
    1. Free Music
     
    The internet is great for finding free tunes to play and for researching what is out there.

    2. FX

    I can setup knobs and effects, compression, eq cut, filters, and more elements that just weren’t possible with vinyl.  Also, the ease of being able to restart a track from the beginning or other loop point allows me to explore other possibilities with the time I save.

    3. Combining Instruments with DJ’ing

    Now I can add my own musical elements over the top of tracks or rhythm beds at the same time, giving me an element of originality that separates me from other dj’s.  Also, I can switch from track to track much faster to keep the energy moving at an engaging pace. 

    4.  No headphones required

    It’s nice to be able to trust your prep work and drop tracks where you want, and not have to worry about beatmatching.  The classic argument is that it’s cheating, but why not take advantage of the digital realm if you are going to live in it?  I’ve done enough beatmatching in my life and don’t mind if someone wants to dismiss it as cheating because if I had to, I could but now choose to allocate that time to not being hunched over with headphones and enjoying my set as much as the crowd.

    I miss scratching, and I miss the collectibility aspect of vinyl.  I also miss doing backspins and turning the power off to let the record sludge to a slow stop.  But with planning and imagination, these things can be replaced with even more impactful tricks and techniques. Besides, I think most fans of EDM are less concerned with what the dj is doing with their gear and more affected by the sound that is coming from the speakers, however it is created or played back. 

    • nykx17

      dont you research and dig when you use actually turn tables instead of finding”free” music that probably comes out mine and my fellow producers pocket.

      • Ross

        I think what he was getting at is that there is plenty of good LEGAL free music on the internet. As opposed to vinyl – you don’t go to a record store and someone leaps out at you and says “here! have this free record of my tunes”, as happens with Soundcloud and Bandcamp etc.
        Your response is very cynical.

  • Alaa Bahour

    i love ableton for producing but for mixing i have to say traktor is the shit i love how easy it is to use

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ryan-McGinley/6831792 Ryan McGinley

    Yes! Please keep these articles coming DJTT. Have been doing a little DJing in Live, but have yet to find a way to make it more effective than traktor. Would really like to explore it more. 

  • Lauti

    I’d rather dj with two winamps than one live :)

    • Sotosoul

      good old 90′s :) There was a crossfader plugin, I remember, simple volume mixing…

    • http://twitter.com/djkeb Kyle Emerson-Brown

      Hahaha I dj with Live but that’s funny.

    • http://twitter.com/djkeb Kyle Emerson-Brown

      Hahaha I dj with Live but that’s funny.

  • Guest

    Thanks for taking on that subject! Great article. looking forward to the follow up…
    Could you take us by the hand and construct a template from scratch and making it more and more complicated (dummy clips, effects, vsts, sequencer….) as we go. The beauty of Live is indeed that you can set it up anyway you want. But endless possibilities is also a curse as most often we don’t know where to start…

  • Anonymous

    For anyone interested that uses an apc-40 with ableton for DJing I have coded a Custom DJ Template that adds a ton of new functionality including:Instant Looping, vertical scene scrolling, scene FX, track control fx etc.

    Check it out :-)
    http://www.quirksmode.co.uk/dj/dj-template/

  • DJ RISK

    just do the tutorials in ableton

  • http://soundcloud.com/alchemy1 alchemy

    At first I used ableton for my dj sets with 4 channels with the session view and each track divided into clips like buildup, main, drop, intro. It was great but realized it needed a lot of work and wasn’t flexible enough if I wanted to add new tracks. I could make rocking sets making mashups with the 4 tracks at a time and was great but my sets had to be extremely planned.
    For quick classic gigs I would recommend traktor as it s much faster to set up as you all know.
    Now I’m working on a live act tipe of setup with ableton performing my own tracks.
    For this ableton is great. I have 8 channels with different clips, drums, synths, bass, fils, etc. I include with this a keyboard to play an organ sound o a harsh arpeggiated synth. I also add a korg monotron to make weird sound.
    I control everything with a launchpad and a nanokontrol (looking foward to an apc40 or a korg zero 8 however i do not have the money at the time)
    As well as my own multitracks I tend to search for remix competitions and free stems packages all over the web to extend my material.

    It requires a lot of work but I think its worth it as it can really take your performance to the next level.

    • SLamField

      Korg Zero 8 would be a bad purchase.  it’s wicked expensive and it was discontinued years ago and so there is no customer support and they break really easily and there is no one to ship it back to and no warranty.

      • alchemy

        yeah i´ve heard of that,but it looks so damn sexy hahahha.

        however I live in argentina so the chances of really getting my hands on one almost imposible. evolution uc33e would be a nice solution but also, as it is discontinued is very dificult to get your hands around one.

    • BPSS

      I’ve also found that to my ears, Traktor’s timestretching is superior to Ableton’s when dealing with major changes in tempo. Lately if I want to do a dubstep remix with an acapella that’s at say, 90bpm, I grid it properly in traktor. Then I sync the bpm to the master at 70bpm, I record the audio into ableton & then chop & arrange from there. The same goes for full tracks as well, I can play tunes back in Traktor at more than 20bpm off their normal tempo & they sound great. Not so much with ableton. 

  • Massiv

    Used both Traktor to DJ and Ableton Live for Live Performance, I’m waiting now for Traktor 2.5 to see If I’ll do a move for live performance.  Still I think that Traktor will miss flexibilities in term of channel and effects per channels. But looking more fun to perform.

  • sammsousa

    the only thing that will keep me away from live is its warp mode! i mean i use it with maschine to make tracks… and its great! but for playing live.. or djing.. the only downfall is really the soundquality (in my opinion)!!!! if you take a masterd song, put it in live and then set it to complex pro (or any other warp mode for that mather…) its like the quality desapears… i think for the quality to be the same as intended by the producer, warp has to be turn off, but if thats the case its impossible to play with it… so idk! ableton has to comeup with something regarding its sound quality!! 

  • D3rkin

    I use Ableton to warp older tracks with tempo drift so I could beat grid them properly in Traktor.   

  • http://twitter.com/nontablist Octavio Obaid

    about warping modes…

    beats and repitch = for beats
    complex, textures and tones = textures or voices

  • max

    I started “dJing” with ableton about 3 years ago and I never thought of switching to traktor etc. especially the opportunity to create your own style of mixing is something only ableton can give me. i think it’s wrong to say ableton is getting “old”, the point im trying to make is: traktor gives you a optimized interface for djing, in ableton you have to create your own interface and channelstrips; ableton is more like a creation kit for live performances.
    so, getting into djing with traktor is imho easier because there already exists a accessible and easy workflow for live sampling/remixing, in ableton you have to create your own, maybe even program your own plugins via max4live to get things done. In addition to that, in ableton you have to prepare your set at home which is in most cases time intensive, so using ableton is a bit less spontaneous, but more relaxing, as mentioned in the article, you do not need to focus on beat matching.
    you can’t compare live and traktor that easy, because traktor is a dj software (!), using ableton as dj software is just one of many ways of using live for playing music live.
    so please dont say ableton is not that good for djing only because you dont know how to use it.
    so in the end, the sound matters, just use the stuff that suits your style ;)!

  • Macky

    I’ve been using Traktor for some time but mainly was on CDJ’s. Wanted to start using my other equipment (MIDI’s and so on) with a different software so I came to Ableton and it looked too funky for me but after reading this I really wouldnt mind spending free time learning this rather than planning new tracklists on Traktor! 

  • SLamField

    i would warn new users to NOT use complex pro for warping full songs as it will introduce artifacts and muffle the transients of the kick-drum.only re-pitch and beats warping modes are “neutral operations” meaning that the playback will be identical to an unwarped track when warped properly and played at its “natural” tempo. 

    any other warp mode is not a neutral operation.  while complex might be better for songs with a huge tempo variation or for huge transpositions, only re-pitch and beats mode are completely neutral.  all other modes will alter the sound.

    • BXBP

      While I agree with you I’d warn new users not to use ‘beats mode’ for warping unless you’re within 1bpm either side of the original track.  I’ve found that even warping a 128bpm track to fit with a 130bpm track creates a sort of slurring effect that can particularly be heard on the vocals of a full track. While it may allow the kick drums to remain un-muffled it will turn the track into sounding like it’s been heavily processed by live and I’m sure most users won’t like this.

      The solution?  Try and stay within 1bpm difference if possible when your mixing, and make sure you pick the appropriate warp function for the job (using beats for beats, and complex for vocals or chords or melodies where clarity of individual beats aren’t necessary) and wherever possible, turn warp off!   If you know the bpm  of a track (has to be very very accurate!) and it matches the project tempo you can mix without using warp at all.

      • SLamField

        yeah i generally use re-pitch, but will use beats (beast) mode when i need a key-lock or with really percussive vocal material.

        • Rasmus Kallqvist

          Or, you use whatever warp-mode sounds the best. If you put warp-makers tastefully and use the warpmode and sub-mode (transient, 16th, 8ths, and so on) that suits the track best, you can easily push around 5bpm. A combination of beat and repitch can do big wonders, and complex can help finish it off. Don’t do one massive warp, do it in small steps.

          • SLamField

            i just consider “what sounds best” to be exactly as the track was mastered, thus i use beats and re-pitch for 90% of my tunes as they are the only modes that do not impart any artifacts or color the sound in any way
            when used correctly. 

            if i am mixing between genres with a huge bpm change, then i generally use effects to pull that off unless i’m going for a huge change, then i use re-pitch on the track being brought in and it makes a nice little buildup just with the pitch as you bring up the tempo.

      • SLamField

        when you say “warp a 128 bpm track to fit with a 130 bpm track” do you just mean warping the track in general? why would you warp a 128bpm track @ 130bpm? 

        just warp it at its natural tempo with a “warp from here straight”.

  • zapdat

    Epic tip for new Live users that are struggling with tempo management…

    You are able to re-name the scene launch buttons in the master track area to automatically change the global tempo upon triggering that specific scene.

    Live automatically numbers the scenes in the master track “1, 2, 3, 4…ETC”

    Right-Click>Rename>change the scene’s name to desired tempo numerically followed by “bpm”  so your scene will read “125bpm” or whatever tempo is desired.

    Now, When you trigger that scene, the global tempo will then snap to the new tempo without any nudge, tap, or manual macro pitch bend.

    • bloodhound

      i will have to try that! ive been a live user for a while, and i never knew that!

    • Spacecamp

      Great tip, thanks for sharing! 

    • BXBP

      Also something for doing tempo jumps if you want to keep the previous track playing (I’ve often found I wanted to jump tempo but didn’t want to cut off the last track by starting a new scene), right click on the empty clip slot in the mixing track number that your current song is playing in, and ‘remove stop button.’

      That way when you start your new song at your new tempo your old one will continue playing (at the new tempo)  - but it saves you having to create another version of the song that will start playing where the old one left off.

      • Arcrunner

        also; duplicate clip on song A while it is playing (ctrl/cmd D), move the start point to a good cue point inside the duplicated clip, and assign it’s clip tempo to the jump tempo to value,  then jump the tempo.

        result – audience hears tune A stay at the same tempo, while tune b cuts in at it’s tempo.

  • Majonymus

    ableton is getting old, no breaking updates, its good for production and remixing but less live, in the while traktor is making awesome evolution

    • bloodhound

      i agree, but the thing for many people like me is that it doesnt change because it works well for what it is. i put ableton and traktor on equal levels (yes i use both) and both have strong advantages over the other. it all depends on what you are trying to achieve.   live is also a great tool for traktor users to manage BPM of tracks, and plan a mix set.

  • http://twitter.com/mijkvandijk Mijk van Dijk

    I feel that the sound quality of the warp modes in Ableton is not good enough yet. The complex pro mode is not bad, but cuts the attack of the transients here and there, resulting in less thrust on the beat.
    The Traktor algorhythm sounds superior to me.
    But that’s no reason to go without Live. On a decent MacBook Pro it’s no problem to run Traktor and Live on the same system and send a MIDI clock from Traktor to Live.
    So you can use the best of both worlds. Of course a dedicated controller for Live is necessary to really unleash the power of such a combination.

    • SLamField

      if you are warping correctly and using either beats mode or re-pitch then the sound output will be identical to an unwarped file when played at the clip’s natural tempo.  whether live’s output in general is up to snuff is another question.

    • http://twitter.com/stu415 stu fisher

      any tips on how to send a midi clock from traktor to live? i have dedicated controllers for both and would like to use them both as i see unique benefits on both sides…

  • http://twitter.com/nontablist Octavio Obaid

    right now im using live from 2005… and change my view as a dj…

    I started to stop “djing”, in terms of the traditional mixing and tricks with turntables, and started to play live music, with hardware synths, controllers and other stuff!!!

    • RockingClub

      Sounds super cool. I’m just about getting into this. Which synths do you use (for which genres)? I thought about Clavia Nord Rack 2x, Virus Ti 2 desktop or Moog Slim Phatty… I will mainly use it for Progressive House/ Electro/ Chillstep.

  • DannyBr

    Great article :-)

  • chicomodo

    Fix tempo is not that good… I like to throw a moombaton or hip hop song between house songs, to do a great shake at the dancefloor. Maybe I’m just getting to use Traktor and not seeing the benefits of using Ableton.
    Anyway this is a great let down.

    • http://twitter.com/nontablist Octavio Obaid

      you can do that… al you need its just understand how the time managment works on ableton

  • Anonymous

    What SoundCard Should I use when Djing with the Apc 20 I have an Audio 2

    • http://twitter.com/nontablist Octavio Obaid

      the audio 2… but also works with your integrated soundcard… 

  • celtic-dj

    very good article….looking forward to read the next part !!
    cheers !

  • skulpture

    And don’t forget your amazing article from 2009 about Smart Mixing. Very important in Ableton.

    http://www.djtechtools.com/2009/06/01/smart-mixing-setup-for-ableton/

  • Djdrame

    nice tutorial!!!!live rulez!!!

  • Ramirez

    Would love it to see something new exlpained stuff.
    I am looking for a setp-by-setp tutorial of The Bridge.

    Can some of you guys help me gettin in with that?
    Greetz & Thanks from Italy…

  • Victo

    I’m using Ableton for DJ Set for 3 years now.
    I’ve an APC40 as “main” controller, and playing with some iOS device and Touch OSC for fun sometimes.

    I’m a regular Traktor user too.

    But :
    - If I play a “planned” DJ Set, I prefer using my Ableton setup, but it needs more Prep.
    - If I play a “Hey guy, do you want to play in my Bar in 2 hours” DJ Set, Traktor and my S2 is more appropriate, but know I have the feeling that I am not able to do “performing” things on Traktor… The next version will probably helps…

    So :
    Ableton is more powerfull when you passed hours to built your OWN configuration, mapping, and manner to mix with, but it requires time and prep.

    Traktor (or other DJ Software), are “instant” ready for mix when you didn’t have anything planned, but <there's for me a lack of functionality, especially when you want to play mashups Live, and remix tracks.

    • Victo

       Lol, think my comment bugs.

      The last sentence is : “but there is a lack of functionality, especially when you want to remix or mashup in Live”.

  • Lucas

    nice….but in traktor, i don´t even have to do anything with my tracks until they are all perfectly in sync….but i will check back for part two. maybe i will combine traktor and ableton. ( if my laptop still works than ;-) ) 

    • RockingClub

      Probably because you’re DJing with EDM only. But if you like to integrate a piece of acoustic music or some oldies you’ll realise our problems

  • Thedaniel01

    Is there any chance of doing some articles on advance ableton setups and mapping, such as the stuff that ill gates does. Not knocking the article, but there is soooo much stuff online that explains basic dj’ing on ableton. Stuff that anyone with 1/2 a brain can work out in 5 minutes by themselves.
    Love your work DJTT team

    • Remote

      Agreed. Some stuff on “deck design” practices EQ placement, looper and effect use etc.

    • Spacecamp

      Absolutely – we’ll lead up to such topics, we just want to build a solid foundation to start from. If you’ve been following DJTT for a while, you might know that we’ve never done a basic intro to DJing in Ableton!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=37700605 Kyle StreetFighta Rose

        what I really want is a tutorial on live mapping so that I can do things like this:

        • Lg2873

          I would love to have a controller mapped for mixing and another one used to be able to do something like this video within a set
          Great track