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  • DJ Zeno

    I bought the TM4 about 6 months ago and I have had no performance issues. I use VDJ and wanted to run the AUX through the software. I contacted Reloop and it was quite difficult getting across to them what I wanted to do. I contacted VDJ and they were very helpful and guided me through it. Other than that, the unit has been flawless! Maybe you guys did get your units from a bad batch but in my opinion it’s a very good controller for the price.

  • RodrigoMorales

    I buy a terminal mix 4 and Im very regret.
    I test two devices and both fail in the same jogwheel.
    the left jogwheel sunddenly change his weithg and became very heavy and tight, while the left jog stay light and loose.
    the firts unit fail in one week. I send the unit back to the dealer who change the device for a new one.
    the second fail in two days for the same reason.
    I write a post in the official support forum of reloop, and nobody say nothing about it.

  • RichieTee

    Well after a lot of research I actually went for the TM4. Being a Scratch Live user, I wanted something that had big jog wheels, the ability to input other decks and with decent sampling and fx features. I also wanted to be able to use my SL database with the controller so using Serato DJ Intro was the natural step for me (with a view to upgrade to Serato DJ).

    However, I soon realised after purchase that the TM4 is very flakey. It’s been reported by many since August 2012 that clicking, crackling, slowdown, crashes happen in either Serato or VDJ with the TM4 and I too had this issue. Being a computer tech and Windows expert, I tried in vain to work out what the issue was. However after installing the software on various different computers, even on clean installs of W7 32bit and 64bit on decent hardware, I had these issues. It’s most likely a hardware issue, a firmware issue or a USB driver issue. But either way, Reloop have not taken it seriously despite numerous posts on their forum about the issue. Could be a faulty batch of hardware?

    Anyway, it simply wasn’t good enough that they didn’t take it seriously so it went back to the vendor and I got an Pioneer Ergo V instead (a long way from my preferred choice but you can rely on Pioneer hardware and support).

    So my advice, don’t buy a Reloop product. It might work fine for you and be a great controller. But if it doesn’t, they won’t help you and you may just end up with an unreliable, heavy piece of kit which you can’t take anywhere or make a mix on because it simply doesn’t work in any of the supplied software!

    I’ve been DJ’ing for 19 years now and have always been against technology in DJ’ing. However, I see how it can be of benefit so decided a controller would be good to mess around with, make mixes on and broadcast with as well as creating space by allowing me to get rid of my 1210s and vinyl. Whilst controllers are decent for parties etc or bars where there are no equipment, in my opinion, DJ’s who play clubs should just use the CDJs supplied. There is no need for a controller in a club DJ booth, ever, no matter who you are.

    • http://www.facebook.com/nathan.veenstra Nathan Veenstra

      That’s very bold of you to state it that way RichieTee. I am a proud owner of the Terminal Mix 4 and haven’t had any issues. Their support might not be what you expect, but then again, you get what you pay for. I personally think that the TM2 and TM4 are well built controllers at a price that other big brands wouldn’t sell it for.

      You mention going for the Pioneer Ergo which, as you will agree, does not have the options that the TM4 has.You don’t get full software with the Ergo either, so you will also need to buy an upgrade. So you get less for the same price. And why? Because it has ‘Pioneer’ on it. To me it is similar to the Reloop Mixage or a Denon MC-2000, whatever. And these products are aroun half the price of the similar Pioneer gear.

      I’d rather pay less and expect a little less support, because after all, there’s a bigger chance you will not have any issues than having some issues. And in that last case, as long as it’s solved, it’s worth the big price difference.

      Whether or not you think there is need for a controller in a club DJ booth or not is another discussion.

      • RichieTee

        I appreciate that you are a happy TM user and there are plenty out there. I hoped to be one of them. But take a look at their forums. Numerous reports of the same issue and only now have they started to take notice. The first one I can see was logged back in August 2012. 5 months ago for them to actually believe the customer. Several units have been back to different resellers who have also seen the fault but been unable to fix. How difficult would it have been for Reloop to send a user a replacement unit in exchange for the faulty one to try and determine the problem?

        Yes with support I appreciate you get what you pay for but when you buy a product and it doesn’t work, it’s not reasonable for you to have to wait 5 months for a resolution. Particularly if you are a DJ, it could cost you work if you use it out. The Sale Of Goods Act 1976 states that if goods are not fit for purpose and if a supplier cannot come up with a resolution in a reasonable time, then further action could be taken against them. If the Reloop doesn’t work for you and you have met all of their system requirements, then it is not fit for purpose. You have a right to reject it. Which is what I did. For some users, it worked but then started to not work so rejection was something not an option for them although you could argue the product didn’t have a reasonable life span.

        Reloop now seem to think it’s power related. They have released a new firmware and also advised users to use it with a power supply if they have the issue. Not sure if this has resolved the issue as mine went back and I was refunded. But is it really acceptable for a working DJ to have to carry a power supply around, struggle to find yet another plug socket in a booth in addition to their laptop and have another point of failure?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=538041969 Jean Marc Lavoie

    Any idea or comment on what type of soundcard is on this unit?

    DIdn’t see it in the review.

  • Martin

    I Like the look of this, wish they’d confirm th itch upgrade. Seems a bit og gamble otherwise; anyone heard anything?

  • Freunx

    I have the buget for buying this or the traktor s4(secondhand) what do you think wich of the two are better. Are they comparable?

  • Skollx

    My only major concerns with this controller are the single aux output and the incredibly poor mapping with serato…. which are very important.

    I want to go out and buy one but these points are holding me back.  Also, how hard would it have been to include an XLR output?

    Anyone know how well the traktor mapping works / how it sounds?

  • Dj Xtasii

    what are the technical implications of having only 1 aux input?

  • John

    I have tested this controller at the NAMM show and must say I was totally impressed – the build quality, feel and touch was amazing and the jogs are the bomb. Especially the Jog integration with Serato is very tight and responsive.
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  • synthet1c

    your thinking of behringer champ, they are the ones who ripped off other vendors products… Reloop have always designed their own gear and have great quality control, however the choice to include the push to kill eq’s and hard pastic buttons was a poor one, as they make the unit feel cheap, but they are good qualiy components in there..

    The Jockey 3 and Contour don’t share any of the same issues though, they are fantastic quality and imo the best controllers before the VCI-400 came along…

  • James

    Sort of agree with Guided, sorry.

    http://www.mytattoomeanings.com/5/tattoo-quotes

  • Meowmix

    way to dismiss the VDJ that it comes with. dont know where you have been looking but VDJ is a fairly widely adopted software and aisde from the browsing issue i didnt see you make a single relvant point as to why it is not a good fit and why it wouldnt be a good fit for the Pro version.

    Other than that its a good review. Thanks.

    • JV

      I have high hopes for VDJ8 actually… But up to this point, I feel that VDJ7 lacks the polish that Serato and Traktor have. I understand that they’ve been supporting video, effects, and samples for quite some time, but the interface and performance seem to be slightly below the quality expected by professional DJs IMO. They have good marketing but now they gotta execute on VDJ8 to be considered in the same ranks as Serato and Traktor. 

    • John

       I agree. Even Serato Intro which is still limited in advanced features – but the mixing perormance is great and already now a PRO level software.

  • Steve TJ

    Just wonder… Is there room for arcade buttons to fit in it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=753224018 Michal Pardus

    Reloop is German and they always made high quality stuff for cheap prices. It’s Pioneer in Behringer market if that makes any sense. Always respected their equipment. They are big in Europe.

    • Chopper

      Simply not true. Reloop is best known for cheap rip-offs of other manufacturer’s succesful products. They often lack in build quality and durability. I used their products when I started DJing. I would never do that again.

      • John

         Hey Chopper, have you ever tested their new equipment? Saying when you started DJing their equipment was not as good is a weak statement. I own a Jockey 3 is the built quality and durability is great – even better than a S4 which I also had – but sold it as it had many major hardware problems…so you better test and then state.

        • Chopper

           John, please read Michal’s post and my reply again. He was saying that Reloop ALWAYS made high quality stuff. This is NOT TRUE. I don’t know about their new controllers but I have used a lot of their stuff (my own & from friends) so I know about their “quality”. What other equipment from Reloop did you ever try except your controller?

          • John

             As with every brand – you always have budget equipment which is perfectly fine for the price and higher quality equipment at a reasonable price. I guess you only know their budget / starter equipment from you friends or starting DJ carreer. You need to check out stuff as RHP-20, IQ2 MIDI, RP-6000, Contour or Jockey 3 & Terminal Mix – all solid stuff which I either have or have played with. The Jockey 3 is my personal favorite so far!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=753224018 Michal Pardus

            Well. As Always I meant their flagship decks. Obviously if you bought their cheap deck or mixer they were like Behringer. But their hi-end products were good and compared to Pioneer or Stanton still much cheaper. New equipment is just better. Even Behringer started to make better stuff.

  • Tgunn897

    Will this definitely 100 percent be an itch controller in the future?

    • DJ Freez’

      I would not dare to say it will be ITCH, but it is quite clear that Serato has to come up with something, as they have already supplied Serato DJ Intro for at least 4 4-channel controllers (Numark N4, Vestax VCI-400, Numark Mixdeck Quad -I think?- and Reloop Terminal Mix 4). That should say something, right?

  • Guest

    Traktor all the way srry.

    • Alienswarm

       Traktor ftw!

  • http://www.facebook.com/4P1ay Tomii Forsythe

    Full size pitch faders? Thank you Terminal Mix 4! Now if i actually want to beat match and mix manually I can. Instead of having to use the wannabe pitch faders that are located on 99% of all midi controllers. I think I actually just might set aside the 100….maybe. Or i can wait a week for the next big thing to come out LOL 

  • Tomgerry

    Aesthetics look like a cross between a numark mixtrack and a ns6…not nice to look at

  • phatbob

    “I have the strong suspicion that it will become an Itch-certified
    controller shortly after its release in May. After that, upgrading to
    Scratch Live will probably cost you a few shekels. It’s impossible to
    say right now, however, so we’ll just have to keep you updated.”

    That’s a ridiculous amount of complete speculation right there.

    On what planet does one ‘upgrade to Scratch Live’ with a controller?

    • Tomgerry

       No kidding right,  who is writing these speculations and passing it off as an ‘article’?

    • JV

      Oh man… Here we go again… I’d have to say yes, it is speculation… But it’s an educated speculation, and it’s looking like it would be a smart move for Serato to do so… 

      On what planet does one ‘upgrade to Scratch Live’ with a controller? Well, for a very brief window, users of the last release of Itch were prompted to upgrade to Scratch Live… Serato quickly fixed their “error”… it may have been a fluke, or it could be yet another sign of things to come… 

      Serato has taken the stance that MIDI mapping jog wheels in SSL is not possible and yet we all know that the code is already implemented by the mapping of the S4 and the Denon MC6000 to SSL.

      Itch is slated to have the additional slicer feature similar to Twich when the VCI-380 is to be released… Is the VCI-380 the only controller to support this feature? Further splintering ITCH and its compatible controllers? It’s possible, but the smarter stance, (and the demand of the market) shows that Itch will probably open itself up to third party MIDI controllers… Apparently SSL already allows this thru MIDI learn… One of the most attractive things about Traktor is that it is completely MIDI mappable… And I think many users agree that if Serato opened itself up to accomodate all MIDI devices, many would jump ship from Traktor to Serato… I believe the Serato interface is cleaner and file management is easier. Plus Itch has the movable beat grids… etc etc etc… In addition to that, does Serato really think that it can hold off all the competition by limiting its footprint in the controller market?  

      The TM4 is yet another piece of kit branded with the Serato name, but no specific software title… All the latest hardware that has come out for Serato does not have specific application branding which leads many of us to believe that Serato has something up their sleeve… Serato itself has been vague about providing details for the future of these 4 channel controllers including the VCI-400… Because everyone knows that the packaged Serato Intro is a joke… 

      …Intro is a joke IF there is no upgrade path to something better… Like Itch, or SSL… Or something rebranded to incorporate both… 

      Is it that ridiculous? Maybe… If Traktor wasn’t doing the same thing… Restructuring and repricing to make way for it’s remix… 

      A lot of Serato forum members have said this is never gonna happen, isn’t that speculation as well? How many of us saw the VCI-380 coming? My point is, no one really knows, but it’s probably foolish of us at this point in the game to say that certain things are never gonna happen… 

      • phatbob

        What you say is all very feasible, but still speculation.

        If someone drops the cash on this controller and none of that EVER happens, then they are stuck with an expensive controller with beginner software.

        And that will be the fault of DJTechTools.

        It’s just irresponsible. A review should be based on what a product does when you buy it, not what it might ‘hopefully’ do somewhere down the line.

  • The Beat Worx

    How does this compare to the VCI-400? It seems like a better comparison to make since they both seem to be on the road to be Itch/SSL Controllers…

    • http://www.facebook.com/joesdomingo Joes Domingo

      the vci 400 ege is a beast compared to this joke… this looks like every other controller out there. great starter, if you like serato, i guess.  

      • John

        I don’t agree, the VCI-400 also comes with Serato Intro and VDJ!?
        So same scope but being nearly half the price…

    • DJ Freez’

      I have been able to test both the VCI-400 and the Terminal Mix 4, and must say it’s a close tie. The VCI-400 feels really solid with the full metal jacket and is a bit smaller in size, so it’s more portable. I also like the pads on the VCI-400, but I guess the smaller buttons for hot cues and samples will just take some getting used to it. The Terminal Mix 4 feels amazingly better than it looks IMO. I particularly love the jog wheels on the TM4. If you want inputs, you’d have to go for the VCI-400, if you want a great controller for a great price, go for the Reloop.

  • Guided

    i dont normally comment, but a controller being serato scratch-certified will never happen, this will stay an itch controller, if anything. Scratch live is based only on rane hardware for the time being. Really uninformed review. 

    • Herb

      They have upgraded to Serato DJ

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mark-Huigen/100001851257183 Mark Huigen

    If these transport buttons are anything like the previous ones they used on their units (and it does look like it) don’t buy it. They started wearing out after about a year on my DJ2, and a short while after that not responding at all…..

    • Anonymous

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    • Anonymous

       same here

    • geo

       How can you tell from a picture what microswitches are used? The jockey 3 and this controller shouldn’t have this problem anymore. This coming from a rdj1 and 2 owner…

    • John

      Have you read the review?
      “The rubberized transport buttons are a treat to use” – they are not the same buttons used on DJ1 or  2.

  • http://twitter.com/Lylax_Dubs Lylax

    not impressed.
    this track pretty much sums up all other wanna be traktor apps.

    traktor FTW!!

    http://soundcloud.com/high-rankin/high-rankin-fuck-you-virtual

    • Jurre

      That horrible dubstep track is as much about Traktor or Serato, as it is about Virtual DJ, Lylax

      • http://twitter.com/Lylax_Dubs Lylax

        fan of traktor……ive had all 3 programs….to say the least serato without vinyl is horrible. virtual dj is…..horrible. horrible controller support and layouts.

        • sum.zero

          well, you clearly supported your initial post with sound arguments and flawless reasoning…

          can’t speak for serato, but vdj works just fine and can be used with any controller that supports midi. the scripting language is obtuse, but produces some amazing and complex results.

        • synthet1c

           on the contrary…

          Trakor’s controller support it terrible on any midi controllers jogwheels… VDJ has full midi and HID support that can allow full resolution, and the infamous NHL has just been unlocked by a VDJ user “Technz” for the kontrol S2, and Im sure the S4 isn’t far off as he has already made a midi map for it that just needs to be converted to HID…

          Also VDJ’s mapping is capable of replicating any of the djtt mappings without a need for firmware updates to send multiple midi messages on a single control… to sum it up the things that take workarounds to do in traktor can be done in VDJ natively with a little scripting.

          I will upload a controllerist mapping using technz’s definition for the
          S2 to the vdj forum probably by the end of the week once it’s tested.

          http://www.virtualdj.com/homepage/synthet1c/blogs/4723/Kontrol_S2_Mapping_pic.html

          • Danny8909

            I couldn’t agree more
            Also VDJ let’s you use a variety of sound cards all at once which has saved my ass more than once
            If you’re only a club DJ this isn’t relevant to you
            But when you do clubs, then random parties, or even pool parties in which you have to hook up a bunch of random speakers together this can be a life saver

        • Owen

          You missed the point of that Brostep/noise shit song cartoon. It is about shit laptop DJ’s that give us a bad name. He isn’t having a go at virtual DJ. He is having a go at the arseholes that think just because they bought a laptop and downloaded VDJ and ripped tracks off youtube they are a DJ. This site has been over this issue before many times. From sourcing good quality mp3′s legally to correct etiquette for setting up and taking your gear down in a busy club. The lesson really is if you are playing a slot before someone you should probably be playing on whatever the main event is probably playing on and that is usually CD’s. If you cant adapt to different situations than you should still be practicing at home. 

          I use traktor, VDJ and Serato have their strong and weak points. If you are a good DJ you should be able to rock a party with whatever God has given you. Just using traktor wont make you a good DJ.  

    • jprime

        I can see the value and benefit of each piece of software – sorry you bring the fanboy mentality to the table.