• DJ_ForcedHand

    Isolators are good for taking out sections of sound, but they’re a blunt instrument. I’d rather have discrete control over output internally, because there are certain times I want to emphasize a part (in the same range I want to play). Symphony Conductors commonly soften sections so that another instrument can solo over the other instruments or cascade a range of instruments over each other.

    If songs came as parts, the DJ could be more like a Conductor and a Producer. Without stems, we’re not allowed to explore the full potential of audio playback.

  • Blah

    So the difference between an isolator mixer and a regular mixer is the low cutoff is 300hz vs 100hz. Is that it?

  • SBS Shorty

    Here is a great Review on the SBS Designs Iso-Q2

    http://www.residentadvisor.net/forum-read.aspx?id=219510

  • flyer

    Think some of these “isolator-dj’s” over-do-it a bit……
    Isolators are ment to ad excitement to the tune, not trash it ;-)

    • Phunkin Good Times

      Unless there is significant sound quality difference, I’ve been rocking these same techniques for years with channel EQs on my mixer. There are definitely times to be tweaking all over the eq, and others to let the song do the work.

      • DJ_ForcedHand

        Do you increase volume as you reduce band output (especially in the bass)?

        On a seperate but somewhat related topic:
        I’d been thinking about making an EQ crossfader… or rather three separate crossfaders (in addition to the master/channel crossfader) between the two channel knobs. Applying crossfaders across the Highs, Mids, and Lows on the mixer gives more of a smooth control to the mix and allows one-handed operation of this mixing style… which begs to be used in a Techno/House setup.

  • Cbodt

    I just bought a rane rla style, im mounting it in the rack and locking the rack, the dj can play with the treble and bass on the urie. let the music play, is what i say

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  • Anonymous

    Honestly, I thought all three of these videos sounded like crap.

    • Phunkin Good Times

      agreed, I’d have to hear it in person. I do all of that, and have been for years with channel EQs on my mixer.

  • woof

    liking the article! definintely an area to further explore and expand within my mixing technique, thanks!

  • http://www.facebook.com/matteoionescu Matteo Ionescu

    As a great fan of rotary mixing and isolators, I really loved this article. Been owning and testing most isolators – Vestax, E&S, SDX, Bozak – they’re all much better than every channel tone control ever found in a dj mixer. The ergonomics are much different too and let you enjoy another world of interaction between the dj and music. My personal favourite is the SDX iso by Steve Dash audio, besides the fabulous sound and cuts, it’s yellow dents allow better visual feedback on the control positions, so especially in a dim environment it’s useful to be more in control of the situation. I’m very curious to test the new SBS which features parametric controls to allow a variable cut frequency.
     

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  • Djswillo

    Crazy discover for NewGenDJ’s !
    And crazy movie by the way!
    How Did u know about it ? :-)

  • Djmattmccue

    Post a Louie Vega video all time isolator king

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sbs-Shorty/1851472355 Sbs Shorty

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      • are you joking?

        Your marketing is tasteless and just plain awful. Turn off caps lock.

        • Likes Cool Toys

          Personally I wouldn’t buy his product because he’s pretty obnoxious. There are others out there that make their own products and are much less noisy and approachable. I’d consider the E&S or Bozure instead.

  • Janzak

    Alright so… basically the difference from an EQ is that an EQ dips/cuts the frequencies and isolators are more like shelves?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Francesco-Brini/729465055 Francesco Brini

    mr. may one dimensional? what’s next ? are you kidding me!!!!

  • James Kelly

    There is some rotary geekery on my blog, looking at the Rane MP 2016,
    Bozak ISO-x,  Vermona action filter etc…
    http://minimaljames.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/modular-analogue-dj-mixer/

  • Schlachter88

    Derrick May is a BOSS

  • Gbrown44

    In the first picture what is that controller right in the top center of the picture?

  • Greed

    A vst isolator for Ableton? Anyone?

    • Ryansupak

      Ableton 3-band EQ.
      rs

    • TheAmazingBaz

      I hate Ableton’s EQ 3 (lack of real flat response, m4l required put 0 db at the 12 o’clock position) and have been trying a few alternatives with questionable luck. I’ve been looking for 3rd party options that work better, but as Ryansupak’s post shows, most people stop looking fairly early on. I’ve been playing with having racks with multiple instances of the EQ8 (to get the 48db cut), but as you may have noticed it’s a little hard to get the “isolator” sound dialed in to the extent that it sounds the same on larger systems.

  • Escapemcp

    Had no idea what the isolator was actually doing, until I saw this http://forums.pioneerdj.com/entries/20310563-djm-900-isolator-behaviour - it’s got graphs (scroll down to hi, mid & lo graphs) of what actually being chopped by an EQ & an isolator in a side by side comparison..  that explained it much easier than the clumsy (sorry Derek!) explanation at the start of this article… all the way through I was trying to work out the difference between EQs & isolators.  Gave me a start point though for this afternoon’s surf… now.. back to work :)

  • Sjokoladekjeksogmelk

    Hmm, laptop djs trying to get cred. Maybe add some arcade buttons to the isolator.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laurin.schafhausen Laurin Joel Schafhausen

    Great Stuff!

    Some years ago I sold my A&H Xone 62 and my 3 Kaoss Pads.
    And bought a Urei 1620 LE and a E&S isolator.
    Best decision I ever did!

    One little point:
    The DJM 800 has the LO-crossover point at 70Hz not 100Hz
    The crossover point itself is one thing but more important is the crossover slope.
    I had modded my E&S isolator to an crossover point of 100Hz instead of 300Hz. 

    The Alpha isolator and the SBS (ISO-Q2 not S3X that is a Richard Long style crossover)
    have a parametric bass EQs. 

    • BM

      “And bought a Urei 1620 LE and a E&S isolator.
      Best decision I ever did!”
      +1
      or buy a DJR400 wich is the rotary mixer that use Claussell, Parrish and many more…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sbs-Shorty/1851472355 Sbs Shorty

      The SBS S3X is a 3 way xover not an isolator, the SBS Designs Iso-Q2 is a Isolator & Program Eq

  • Filterband

    Uses by NY hip hop DJs, no? I’m thinking Tunnel era Flex. Also more generally in production, all genres. More!

  • Djzense

    It remember my filters.

  • Ryan Supak

    A subject near and dear to my heart. There’s definitely a whole world of technique associated with isolators (and rotary mixers), and most of it doesn’t have a name. It’s all very personal and “intuitive” technique, in my opinion.

    I use an RLA-type crossover in my live rig, as well. (In the ’80s, Rane manufactured many of the RLA crossovers in existence.)  An RLA Crossover does have one big advantage sound-wise over an isolator, and that’s the vastly increased headroom per-band. You can get a lot more out of a *real-world* sound system because everything isn’t being “clamped” into a single summing stage as it is with an isolator. It’s a subtle difference and it sounds insignificant but the difference in use is immediately obvious.

    There are technically some things you can’t technically do with an isolator that you can do with per-channel EQs, but in *practice* an isolator is much more precise and expressive. To me a real analog isolator is in a whole different league in sound and responsiveness from something emulated in software.

    My preference is for a Bozak 4-band Crossover combined with a Steve Dash 5-Band EQ (this is yet another descendent of a Richard Long design). Combining the boost and cut curves from each allows “live mastering” as well as some special tricks, like “Pultec-style” EQ curves.

    Attached: my mixer rack, which includes the things mentioned along with a souped-up Rane 1620LE mixer.

    rs

    • http://twitter.com/derricklove Derek Opperman

      Nice rig.

      Have you found that your Urei sounds better with the balance pots and EQs removed? I’ve been considering doing that to mine, but I can’t tell if it’s worth it or not…

      • Ryan Supak

        Thanks Derek. It’s really a joy to use and even “lay-people” comment on the sound difference between this and a more “Mass-Produced” setup.

        EQ: The unit definitely sounds different to me with EQ bypassed. It’s a lot less “warm” but more balanced IMO. Especially the midrange benefits, to my ears.

        Pan: According to my measurements the stereo separation increased slightly with the Pan mod. (My understanding is that the original reason installers bypassed the Pan was so that DJs wouldn’t accidentally pan all the way to one side and blow half the speakers because of the gain increase.) Nonetheless the sound does seem to benefit as a by-product.

        rs

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000567074969 Hector Guerra

      nice rack

  • Anonymous

    Just look at that line EQ, bang on the yellow. RESPECT the levels, man.

  • JoeJackson

    i was walking through the park the other day and I saw two gay guys kissing, that was the gayest thing I’ve ever seen…. until that wierd jap today, not even funny just wierd perv’y jap shit.

    • Minimal

      God, I love that last vid, it’s how I discovered ‘atmospheric beats’ years ago, still one of my fave tracks.

       It’s not gay, the guy is dreaming about looking up this chick’s panties.Even if it was gay, who cares. Such enthusiasm is to be commended.

      • Lauro Martins

        what does this mean for DJM900 useres on ISO mode?

    • Sambertucci

      Grow up, what are you 8? Where’s this park Arkansas? Racist homophobe dj..? sounds like a dave chapelle skit.

  • Test

    http://www.djexcel.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/img00206-20101224-2301.jpg i played at a club that had rotary’s on a 800
    really liked the different feel

  • Mylestec

    Great article…. active crossovers rock!… especially when there is proper compression and limiting on each amplification band output

  • Bergle

    Can anyone tell me if the headphone the asian guy in the last video is custom or commercially available? thanks in advance.

    • Alex Apogee

      looks like a modified Vestax KMX 3

    • http://twitter.com/derricklove Derek Opperman

      It’s custom from Japan. The guy that used to make them with the light stopped. They are fairly easy to make though. Google (or Ebay): lollipop headphone.

    • Ryan Supak

      David Meza with Duo Audio is currently making them. These start at $150:
      http://duo-audio.com/headphone.html

      His craftsmanship is impeccable and he’s a very nice guy to boot.

      rs

    • J.F.

      Check out Mr. Mac’s website at http://blackscience.com for lollipop cue sticks. Nicest sticks around.  Dope console work too with rotary Rane.

  • Sobi

    I almost never comment on these blogs, but I’d like to point out that Body and Soul parties  were some of the most memorable events in the past 20 years for me. Definitely a NY institution… as well as the PS 1 parties from everything they seem to be.

  • DJNickMiller

    The videos aren’t actually on there anywhere….

    • Spacecamp

      Fix’d. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/dj.rafi.v Rafi V ??

    Vid?

  • Nattevagten

    Need videos – can’t see them.. anyway very interesting article ! Thx !

    • Spacecamp

      Fix’d. 

  • kramerbuccs24

    gonna be checking out some of gary stewart’s NYC stuff ASAP! thanks guys

    • http://twitter.com/derricklove Derek Opperman

      He is the shit.

      • Anonymous

        Our company just had its holiday party at D36 and I did go check out the booth. IT was an Amazing setup.. the depressing thing was though, the dj that was playing wasn’t even touching the Urei or the Gary Stewart Isolator installed. He was playing Virtual dj and crossfading with the the arrow keys on his laptop. It was so depressing as the DJ probably had no clue what lay before him. Given the look of his laptop rig, I trust that his sound card was shite cause I was not impressed with the sound coming out of the speakers there. Garbage Into the Rig…. well, you know the rest.

        I was like how could this rig sound this shitty.

  • malzfreund

    awesome article!

    p.s. i want that rane rotary mixer

  • http://www.facebook.com/kerry.adams Kerry Adams

    Of course, the effect that an isolator rigged up traditionally (acting as the crossover) is going to be completely different to how they are used today (as glorified EQ’s) – traditionally, cutting the bass would essentially be turning down the subs, but there would still be ‘bass’ going to the main speakers, but no longer reinforced by the subs. Now, cutting the bass cuts the bass out of everything – like a high-pass over the whole mix. It’s a subtle, but significant difference.

    • http://twitter.com/derricklove Derek Opperman

      Yeah, full range is definitely the classic way.

    • greg zifcak

      This would only be true if the active crossover was after the amps (i doubt this was ever the case). In a tri-amped system, the amp that powers the mains is never getting any of the bass signal that the subs get.
      The real difference is that with an isolator there are now a summed crossover (isolator) in series with the system crossover before the amps. Not sure how perceptible this difference is.

      • http://www.facebook.com/laurin.schafhausen Laurin Joel Schafhausen

        This is not true!

        The original RLA DJ crossover had 3 outs.
        Sub: 20Hz to 100Hz 18dB BW
        Fullrange: 20Hz to 20.000Hz
        Tweeter: 8.000Hz to 20.000Hz 18dB BW

        With the Paradise Garage in mind the sub out would control the Levan horns.
        The fullrange would control the Ultima.
        Ultima = four 15″ rear loaded + 2″ JBL on JBL 2395 lens + JBL 075 with a passive crossover network including delay correction.
        The ultima would play from 40Hz to 18.000Hz.

        The tweeter out would control the flown tweeter arrays (each consists of four JBL 075).

        Stacked and set up with an incredible amount of knowledge there is no cancelation in the bass!