• Chiebs

    what is meant by “don’t forget your gain when you eq”?  Does it mean eq then check gain to make sure not clipping?

    • Thawizardofahhs

      You have to make up gain for what you may possibly lose in the bass.

      Not the steadfast reason I’m sure, but about 95% from applications that I would  come up with.

  • Morgan Sutherland

    Regarding the bit about filters being post-EQ, you should know that the order of the filters has no effect on the sound. This is proven by noting that a filter can be modeled by a linear time invariant system (LTI), which in turn can be represented as a convolution, which is a commutative operation.
    https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/st/Filters_Convolution.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutative_propertyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolution#Properties

    You can also think about it in terms of what is happening to the signal in the spectral domain. For instance, a low-pass filter cuts frequencies above 10khz and a high pass filter cuts frequencies below 15khz. It does’t matter which order we do this in, even though the filters “overlap”. Frequencies above 10khz are gone and frequencies below 15khz are gone just as 20 – 5 – 10 = 5 and 20 – 10 – 5 = 5.

  • xyz

    is there a german version of the artikle, too?

  • Rishi

    Where can I find the technical information on Traktors EQ and Filter types?   I would be interested to see the difference between things like CLassic & P600 and Ladder & Xone.

  • Rishi

    Where can I find the technical information on Traktors EQ and Filter types?   I would be interested to see the difference between things like CLassic & P600 and Ladder & Xone.

  • Jorgelobo

    Please, a turorial for spanish comunity!!!

  • Tom_flynn

    I agree, really well written. I like to mix on both, but generally, i do as stated abouve 80% of the time, tweak my eq’s to get the desired sound for the track coming in & going out, then mix on the filter. I NEVER used to mix on the filters, i was a strict EQ only transition kinda guy, then i was showed how mixing on filters can really smooth things a lot better. 

    I guess just practice and have fun and experiment. 

    Oh, and i love me some resonance on my filters! I just love that sound. Not too much though!

  • http://twitter.com/timmaughan Tim Maughan

    “DJ filters are, I’m fairly sure without exception, post-EQ (please let us know if you know any otherwise!)”

    One common exception: if your using filters within your DJ software, but the EQ on an external mixer…?

    • Jarvis Valko

      A question of signal-flow. When the audio signal passes the EQ on the external mixer after your software, then of course it’s processed after the filter.

  • PHILIPFRANCE

    Just realised you can blend with the filters !!!!  thanks DJTT

  • http://djlexlara.com/intro.cfm Harvey

    I have to agree with DSharps.  Interesting article

  • Kyle Rayner

    “Remember: mix the overall sound of the tracks together with EQs, and then use filters to perform sweeps and blends.”

    I don’t agree at at all. I use the LPF HPF on the DJM800/900 to mix all the time. In fact, especially with dance music, if you are phrase mixing you can sync the build up of the new track with a HPF sweep of the old track. If done correctly the old record will suddenly “disappear” as the new one has dropped into it’s breakdown.

    • Menace

      in other words you do agree

  • http://ax11.myopenid.com/ Tom

    Wow. An interesting, insightful and pleasant to read article about *frequency filters* – certainly one of the most boring subjects one could imagine. Hell has frozen over!
    This is an outrage! The laws of physics are serious business after all. They are not to be taken as some cheap entertainment for the unwashed masses.

  • Travis Nyhoff.

    One example, that I can think of, of filter applying before eq is when djing w/ a soundcard and physical mixer. The filter would apply in your program of choice, and then routed out through your soundcard output and into the mixer where the eq would be applied before being sent through the master output to the stereo.

  • AGB

    Great article boys! Keep up the good work DJTT is my 1st stop for a DJ blog been following you guys for years now and you still cease to disappoint.

  • Anonymous

    Nice clear article, but I think it under-emphasises the use of EQ for blends. You can use them to ‘make space’ for the new track. For example one kick can sound quite different from another, and you can graduate the shift, or you can replace the bassline in one track (or sample) with that of another while letting the rest of the track continue, creating a much more layered mix. Indeed if you don’t reduce one bass before the next, the two bass lines simultaneously could be too hot, causing clipping and even speaker damage. You can use the filters to take out the bass by using them in high-pass mode, but EQs are a more flexible and smoother-sounding way. Two mids simultaneously can clash too, and sound over-powering, as the ‘lead’ of tracks tends to sit in the mid frequencies, (vocals, main riff, etc) and transitioning these can only be done with EQ. Same with hats, especially dnb which tends to have a lot of treble going on.

    Finally, filters are very powerful but even a smidgen of resonance has an audible character which colours the sound. If you’re going to manipulate the sound of your track, why not try using it in combination with FX – there’s a whole wealth of tricks there waiting to be let out the bag..

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1146584587 Mubeen Khan

      Not only can that practice make the feed too hot, but can also cancel phases for both songs. I always cut a band of frequencies before every mix and then slowly dial them back in.

    • xyz

      hey, is there also a german version of the artikel? would be nice ;)

  • Anonymous

    This article would have been so much better with some decent graphs. Didn’t think highly of the writing neither.

    • Seth Levanen

      Really? As an intermediate to DJing, I thought this article was one of DJTT’s top reads. For me this is a concept I have yet to master and not many people around have been able to explain or teach to me. Personally, I felt they cut through this difficult material like a hot knife through butter and served it up – nice and creamy. This is HUGE for me and possibly many others out there. Reading this article is LITTERALLY opening a door to the next level of craft and creation for me as a DJ.  Thanks DJTT and thank YOU Mr. G.

  • Anonymous

    Hi I’ve been using traktor pro since they came out and I love the filter
    xone on the version 1.1.1.001 they are the the best filter ever sounds
    insane and doesn’t cut off the sound with super amazing sound when u use
    as u know specially when u use the reverb T3 together Wow no words Its
    awesome filter ever ever . I always checked the new versions of traktor
    like the 1.2 but they changed the filters so I kept with old version
    just because of this filter using my vci 100. I’m disappointed because now I have the S4 with traktor 2
    and those filters come with it they are not good all when u use cut off
    the sound and doesn’t sound good thought. If is possible on the next
    update on traktor 2 add that filter on the effects so we can map them
    or as option on the filter selection. Please NATIVE INSTRUMENTS do that
    everyone will be so happy its the best filter ever and all of us need
    that. Do you guys remember this filter on traktor version 1.1.1.001? Nice article Chris thanks cheers…

     

    • The BladeRunners

      Yes!
      There has never been anything as sweet as the v1 filter on Traktor!
      I keep that version installed just to mess with that filter knob.

  • Djpriz1

    Is there any way (using a third party program or not) to adjust the intensity of the superfilter on ns6 in it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/the.electro.dreamr Dreamr O’Kelly

    Ahh, back to good articles!!!! Thanks Chris, well detailed. I admit, i’m a ladder filter nut!

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the good article Chris. Learned a lot!:-)

    scamo

  • Livestrongstayhandsome

    Awesome Article!!

  • http://www.ali.dj Hedgehog

    Regarding the post EQ-only filtering:

    The auto-effects on Pioneer’s DJM 2000 actually have three EQs themself to determine which freqency-band is affected by the effects.

    Therefore you are able to apply a filter-effect only to certain frequency-bands.

    This can be used very creatively to alter the groove of an existing track.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mynameisnotbilly Jamez Penson

    One new development that shold be mentioned is the Allen and Heath DB4 style EQ section that now lets you choose either between a “standard” Dj shelving style filter or having the 3 EQ controls running a LPF, a HPF and a resonance knob.

    In my mind this is absolutly genius, as I used to run Traktor 3 with a similar technique (using the filter with a low and high pass and a flat resonace to  mix between tracks instead of standard EQ) and it made for some much clearer mixes. UNFORTUNATLY Traktor decided to mess about with their filters for Traktor Pro/Pro 2 and now if you filter out the high frequencies there is a gain reduction which stops the LPF being even useable, :(

  • DSharps

    Just wanted to say this is a very well written and interesting article! This is why I love DJTT. Thanks guys.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000531686375 Futureglue Musik

    Thanks for the article Chris.

    I love my Xone92 for the filter and 4 eqs. I know people bitch about 4eqs being overkill, but in the world of long house mixes 4 eqs is King. That extra low mid takes good care of the low synth without destroying the vocals or removes the sharpness of the bass. Sometimes I feel I’m mixing stems! Takes a while to master but worth the effort.  Mixing out with only eqs is really nice but you need full-kill eqs for that.

    Also the Xone eq action seems much nicer than anything Traktor has to offer (don’t get me started on the filter) which is too bad cause it means I’m stuck with lugging around that heavy mixer whenever I have a gig.

    One thing you didn’t mention is that eqs seem to be used more in the downward direction than up & “Bass is where the Volume is”

    cheers!

    • https://twitter.com/#!/hzaidi09 Hasan Zaidi

      But can’t you go to the settings and change the EQ/filter type to Xone? That’s what I’m currently using, and find it suits my style much better than the default setting.

      • http://twitter.com/WooDzMuzik Anthony Woodruffe

        I also think that because the Xone:92 is an analog mixer it really helps warm digital music.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000531686375 Futureglue Musik

        Actually those settings don’t sound at all like the xone mixer. Tony Andrews (of Funktion One) says they actually degrade the sound coming out of Traktor quite a bit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erik-Voit/194304527 Erik Voit

    Oh didn’t see the 23489348932498 other people that already said the same thing haha.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001945260195 Rg Tb

    “the most notable thing that a DJ filter doesn’t do that the EQ section
    does is boost. All the filter does is reduce the amplitude of
    frequencies”

    this is incorrect. high-resonance filters increase the volume around the cut-off point (whereas low-resonance filters decrease the volume at the cut-off point.)

    • Spiffy

      He mentioned that in the first paragraph of the Character Witness section.

      • Rez

        Also, in the analog sense it’s not actually providing active gain – which might be what he meant by boost.  It’s caused by the natural resonance of the circut.

  • http://www.facebook.com/oakich Nikola ?oki?

    I hate Traktor’s deck filter, it has too much resonance, when you turn it to 2 o’clock it sounds soo sharp… The only issue with Traktor is the damn filter…

    • http://www.facebook.com/djstayinschool Martin Wilson

      I agree… Its one of the few things that makes me not want to ditch my 800 and just got S4. 

    • http://claimid.com/bartl Bart

      Switch filter type to Xone, the resonance there is a lot lower than in Ladder.

      Type your comment here.

    • Klaemo

      try switching it to the Xone filter, it’s much smoother than the Ladder filter.

    • Si Siddy

      Then go to the preferences and change it to the Xone type.

    • Max One

      The last traktor update fixed the filters imo, much less resonance. You running the latest version of Traktor Pro 2?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1119907452 Taylor Schotter

      Than switch from laddar to zone modeled eq!!

    • Weißer Bart

      Load the Filter 92 effect into slots 1 and 2, assign one to each deck..  Hit button three, this toggles between modeled Xone 92 High and Low Pass Filters with Resonance and DJM mode, a dual mode filter with resonance.  Both of these filter types sound far superior to the Mixer filter.  In my opinion both the Ladder and Xone options are very poor.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1027810139 Janne Pulkkinen

    Some Vestax mixer, says in the text

  • Loudist

    What is the mixer, shown at the top of the article, with the red filter knob?

    • http://twitter.com/CharlesMykid Carlos Miniño

      Is a Vestax… dont know the model :p

      • AndiD

        VESTAX PMC-CX (Google Image Search ;) )

    • Leytonangell

      vestax… cant remember model number

    • Jaymelis

      Vestax pmc-cx… Custom made to carl cox his needs. I think he still uses it, no idea. It’s an amazing mixer.

      • M Calica

        I think he switched to the PMC-280, but lately I’ve seen him use the DJM-900(argh!!!)…

    • M Calica

      Its Carl Cox signature mixer from Vestax.  PMC-CX…

    • M Calica

      vestax pmc-cx.  Carl Cox signature mixer…

    • Frenchepaul