• dj empire

    obviously ni has forked out a motza for these guys to say that ni is “slightly” better as a user of traktor and serato i can tell you that serato is a much more stable software in all areas. i have also owned the s4 and let me tell you that thing is the biggest peice of sh!t ive owned and every 1 i know has had issues with it. searto may sound a tiny bit digitally in terms of scratching but i can deal with that know that the sound card isnt going to drop out on me. i had the audio 10 for a month and it shit itself.

  • Ptkool1

    Ive been die hard traktor promoter/User since Ive been Dj’n but have been taken to skepticism regarding the lack of acknowledgement from NI for its User needs’ and where club scene is evolving. Seratos interface is pretty basic and dumbed down but its all in the wave forms and lay out. I can snap in and out of mash up a lot easier and creatively from a sound perspective. DEAD ON THE MONEY…  Now about making more money,…VIDEO! Im hoping NI come up with the plug in soon if not,… So long to a loyal user.

  • Jkeney

    traktor removes all the flash and useless shit, and gives me everything I need in a lay out that is so intuitive that it feels like I personally made it. also mapping on traktor is way powerful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

  • shadow23

    I just bought the SL4 and been a Traktor user for the last 2 or 3 years. I like them both but. One thing I have noticed when using the timecoded CDs that Serato has more of a digital feel only when you do a really tiny scratch compared to Traktor. Never the less I’m still happy with Serato and very happy to have Traktor and Serato.

  • Devo Uk

    well that read was was interesting but still leaves me in a prediciment on which product is more suitable.

    i am currently using a midi controller (denon hc4500) and external mixers and a piece of software called djdecks due to having the vinyl control etc but now looking for a sound card to intergrate with pioneers cdj mkiii at the work place (non midi / hdi) … now i havent got the money to buy a new box but looking at sl1 which is non asio or traktor audio 4 but very unsure that it will control time coded … especially with traktor complex product confussion but i presume its more the need to have scratch duo or pro if i want to use traktor to use time coded ..  and hoping the interface is capeable to use with djdecks software

    i am more of a mix jock so i not really worried about 2 decks… can anyone shed any light with the traktor as i have seen an audio 4 second hand .. or looking at mixvibes u46 mkii or even their standard little sound card.. 

    this area seems so unclear.. 

  • Cliffmatics

    Am I the only person who thinks $800 for SSL 4 audio interface is a rediculous price? I mean come on, you can buy an audio 10 for $350 and it comes with the software which currently has a promotion free upgrade to traktor pro 2 software. Think of the extra $430 you can also buy a combination of things or pay a little more and get stuff like the Kontrol x1, Maschine, or even another mixer.

  • Aslaindub

    Traktor is also much more CPU and ram intensive than Serato, and bc of such I get better latency out of it, much better where 96k will purr on the SL 4, not so with the xone4D sound card, against an audio 10 I’m sure I’d probably get better performance. I also think the Bridge is a HUGE PLUS to serato, and it handles mixing of video.

  • Aslaindub

    Traktor is also much more CPU and ram intensive than Serato, and bc of such I get better latency out of it, much better where 96k will purr on the SL 4, not so with the xone4D sound card, against an audio 10 I’m sure I’d probably get better performance. I also think the Bridge is a HUGE PLUS to serato, and it handles mixing of video.

  • Aslaindub

    Traktor is also much more CPU and ram intensive than Serato, and bc of such I get better latency out of it, much better where 96k will purr on the SL 4, not so with the xone4D sound card, against an audio 10 I’m sure I’d probably get better performance. I also think the Bridge is a HUGE PLUS to serato, and it handles mixing of video.

  • Sambo

    To the comments below…  You can integrate Traktor and Ableton as well so it does not matter.  Ableton is its own beast and it would not make sense to bring it up in a review of two other programs any more than how well it works with photoshop to design flyers for your gig.

  • Sambo

    To the comments below…  You can integrate Traktor and Ableton as well so it does not matter.  Ableton is its own beast and it would not make sense to bring it up in a review of two other programs any more than how well it works with photoshop to design flyers for your gig.

  • http://twitter.com/regend REGEND

    at the end of the day, the majority of DJ’s are going to be sending an analog signal from a DJ mixer or an analog signal from their Audio Card to a live board that can only handle 44.1Khz so it doesn’t matter. our ears can barely handle 22kHz.  until the day all clubs/bars/lounges upgrade to 192k/24bit boards, amps, and digital speakers…44.1kHz, 16bit will still be the norm. i can see how using the 24bit cards can improve things such as effects/samples but all of that is downgraded really fast when you send it to an analog rig. 

    • Sandroid

       what the hell are you saying? analog boards don’t have a sampling rate…
      the 44.1 is the sampling rate and not an audible frequency (like 20kHz)

      • http://twitter.com/regend REGEND

        you’re right…what the hell am i saying? UPGRADE your signal path.

  • PCTroll

    Serato is fucking uglyyyyyyyy!!!!!

  • PCTroll

    Serato is fucking uglyyyyyyyy!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mixter.miagi Alexandre De Joncaire Narten

    Still no send FX is all I have to say :P It would be nice to have that feature on the SL3 and above.
    As for Serato VS Traktor… let’s just say that I had Audio 8 and moved to SL3. Serato was much more reliable. However I do miss the controllerism fun from Traktor. Thank god for the Bridge aye!

  • http://www.facebook.com/mixter.miagi Alexandre De Joncaire Narten

    Still no send FX is all I have to say :P It would be nice to have that feature on the SL3 and above.
    As for Serato VS Traktor… let’s just say that I had Audio 8 and moved to SL3. Serato was much more reliable. However I do miss the controllerism fun from Traktor. Thank god for the Bridge aye!

  • mayhem

    Features aside Serato still is the easiest to use in terms of setup, playability and music collection management. Also like someone mentioned its great if you are a multi genre DJ (playing rock, hip hop, dance, etc). This is why it is still the most popular in most clubs today.

  • mayhem

    Features aside Serato still is the easiest to use in terms of setup, playability and music collection management. Also like someone mentioned its great if you are a multi genre DJ (playing rock, hip hop, dance, etc). This is why it is still the most popular in most clubs today.

  • bcrogan

    I have owned traktor scratch since it first came out in 07. I waited for years for NI to design an interface that suited my needs while I used scratch live. Finally with 2.0 it has become very pretty to look at and use, the effects are even more amazing then ever and the tight 1 to 1 integration with the x1 has made it my personal choice to use at my house. The only problem is I never get to use it out in my gigs in NYC because scratch live is so ingrained in every club it makes it such a hassle to set up. I tried to set up my audio8 with the extremely large multicore cables last month. What a nightmare. If NI only made some sl1,2 or ttm57 drivers that worked with TSP2 that would be amazing. The other problem i have is still the fact that the wave forms are not side by side which makes it very hard to mix certain nu wave and rock music from the 80s that is not time warped in ableton. Because the wave forms are not side by side, you must rely on beat gridding to properly mix visually in TSP2, whereas in scratch live i just need to analyze and add a few cue points if I must. Try mixing David Bowies Lets Dance in traktor with other mashup songs and you will see what i am talking about, You must do it all by ear, which i grew up doing but if you try to rely on traktor phase meter you will see it out of sync visually, even when you have it in time musically. That is a problem with lots of live band songs. Scratch live you dont really have that problem. There is far less preparation in scratch live. 

    I also must say NI owes DJTT and Ean a lot of credit for his promotion of the software and controllerism. Me myself am a turntablist and have definitely opened up my purist ways dramatically by following DJTT. I really just wish it was easier to use Traktor in NYC. If you play out regularly, you should know what I mean and how all clubs are engulfed with scratch live which does not have by any means tight time code compared to scratch live. Also alot of times people dont want to hear hard core mashups, or scratches or filters. They just want to hear music so scratch live excells in that area by being a great simple system that is stable and allows you to just play tracks in their original format. 

  • bcrogan

    I have owned traktor scratch since it first came out in 07. I waited for years for NI to design an interface that suited my needs while I used scratch live. Finally with 2.0 it has become very pretty to look at and use, the effects are even more amazing then ever and the tight 1 to 1 integration with the x1 has made it my personal choice to use at my house. The only problem is I never get to use it out in my gigs in NYC because scratch live is so ingrained in every club it makes it such a hassle to set up. I tried to set up my audio8 with the extremely large multicore cables last month. What a nightmare. If NI only made some sl1,2 or ttm57 drivers that worked with TSP2 that would be amazing. The other problem i have is still the fact that the wave forms are not side by side which makes it very hard to mix certain nu wave and rock music from the 80s that is not time warped in ableton. Because the wave forms are not side by side, you must rely on beat gridding to properly mix visually in TSP2, whereas in scratch live i just need to analyze and add a few cue points if I must. Try mixing David Bowies Lets Dance in traktor with other mashup songs and you will see what i am talking about, You must do it all by ear, which i grew up doing but if you try to rely on traktor phase meter you will see it out of sync visually, even when you have it in time musically. That is a problem with lots of live band songs. Scratch live you dont really have that problem. There is far less preparation in scratch live. 

    I also must say NI owes DJTT and Ean a lot of credit for his promotion of the software and controllerism. Me myself am a turntablist and have definitely opened up my purist ways dramatically by following DJTT. I really just wish it was easier to use Traktor in NYC. If you play out regularly, you should know what I mean and how all clubs are engulfed with scratch live which does not have by any means tight time code compared to scratch live. Also alot of times people dont want to hear hard core mashups, or scratches or filters. They just want to hear music so scratch live excells in that area by being a great simple system that is stable and allows you to just play tracks in their original format. 

    • Shaoba McCoy

      I have the same issue. I started with Traktor and with timecode, controllers and now S4 DVS system ( timecode and s4 as a mixer) I love that set-up other than the Kontrol S4 crossfader, its too short. But I live in NYC Serato land. which means TTM-57 headache. I had to purchase Serato last month so I can play everywhere. I kind of dumbed down what I been doing over the last year. i had to buy those DIcers to gain some more features to Serato but the Dicers can be mapped better with Traktor and in theory would be a sick puppy!. ( I can only image having my 1200′s with Dicers and the S4 as my mixer setup). I play mostly classic disco, hip hop and funk so mostly effect processes are minimal. But I hate losing Traktor’s freeze delay, the channel filters, loop jumps and loop activations controls. 
      I do wish Traktor had different view options

    • Shaoba McCoy

      I have the same issue. I started with Traktor and with timecode, controllers and now S4 DVS system ( timecode and s4 as a mixer) I love that set-up other than the Kontrol S4 crossfader, its too short. But I live in NYC Serato land. which means TTM-57 headache. I had to purchase Serato last month so I can play everywhere. I kind of dumbed down what I been doing over the last year. i had to buy those DIcers to gain some more features to Serato but the Dicers can be mapped better with Traktor and in theory would be a sick puppy!. ( I can only image having my 1200′s with Dicers and the S4 as my mixer setup). I play mostly classic disco, hip hop and funk so mostly effect processes are minimal. But I hate losing Traktor’s freeze delay, the channel filters, loop jumps and loop activations controls. 
      I do wish Traktor had different view options

    • http://twitter.com/WooDzMuzik Anthony Woodruffe

      The fact that you can mix/mash pre-drum machine music puts you at an advantage over  many other DJ’s on the market. Many talk about the sins of SYNC but beat matching post-modern music is like falling off a log compared to mixing ‘Nutbush city limits’ with ‘who are you’ and if people can’t do it then maybe they should re-think where they should position themselves in the industry. However; I did 6 hours of Dubstep last night and used SYNC the majority of the time but anyone who’s tried to burn through tracks almost every 1,5 minutes, using internal and external effects at the same time can appreciate the benefits SYNC offers when playing in a club with poor acoustics with a monitor not quite up to the job it’s required for; it takes a good ear to notice that the auto-gridding in is off and your mix needs to be manually brought back inline immediately.
      Visuals are good for seeing where your mix-point is but as both Serato and Traktor’s displays take 2nd priority behind the audio it’s still best to rely on those good ol’ ears.

      Nice bit of mixing practice for you if you’re interested. Mix James Brown ‘get on up (sex machine)’ with Jackson’s ‘Blame it on the boogie’ just before the bridge in sex machine.

      • 4real

        thats funny stuff, i’d have to say “needing” to SYNC dubstep is about the funniest shit ive heard in awhile, your so uber elite that your mostly using advanced FX to drop a new tune every 90 seconds for 6 hours? thats elite bro… thats like over 200 dubstep tunes in one set…UBER ELITE and you still havent realized that  dubstep is the easiest shit to beatmatch ever ever ever, 98% of current dubstep productions are at a clean solid 70/140 and the other tunes that arent 140 are what 138-142? or a single nudge of a pitch fader if you have any sort of experience with DJ gear which you should having 6 hour gigs right??..

        Please please please SHOW ME how your being SO INNOVATIVE that you cant be bothered to nudge a fader 10 -15 times in 200 tracks?? How long does it take to nudge a fader from 0 to +2 or -2 and nudge the record or platter? Less than 5 seconds.
        That equates to less than 5 minutes of time spent beatmatching over 6 hours..show us all how you kept it so unique and fresh for 360 minutes that you absolutely couldn’t spare less than 1% of your time

      • 4real

        thats funny stuff, i’d have to say “needing” to SYNC dubstep is about the funniest shit ive heard in awhile, your so uber elite that your mostly using advanced FX to drop a new tune every 90 seconds for 6 hours? thats elite bro… thats like over 200 dubstep tunes in one set…UBER ELITE and you still havent realized that  dubstep is the easiest shit to beatmatch ever ever ever, 98% of current dubstep productions are at a clean solid 70/140 and the other tunes that arent 140 are what 138-142? or a single nudge of a pitch fader if you have any sort of experience with DJ gear which you should having 6 hour gigs right??..

        Please please please SHOW ME how your being SO INNOVATIVE that you cant be bothered to nudge a fader 10 -15 times in 200 tracks?? How long does it take to nudge a fader from 0 to +2 or -2 and nudge the record or platter? Less than 5 seconds.
        That equates to less than 5 minutes of time spent beatmatching over 6 hours..show us all how you kept it so unique and fresh for 360 minutes that you absolutely couldn’t spare less than 1% of your time

    • http://twitter.com/WooDzMuzik Anthony Woodruffe

      The fact that you can mix/mash pre-drum machine music puts you at an advantage over  many other DJ’s on the market. Many talk about the sins of SYNC but beat matching post-modern music is like falling off a log compared to mixing ‘Nutbush city limits’ with ‘who are you’ and if people can’t do it then maybe they should re-think where they should position themselves in the industry. However; I did 6 hours of Dubstep last night and used SYNC the majority of the time but anyone who’s tried to burn through tracks almost every 1,5 minutes, using internal and external effects at the same time can appreciate the benefits SYNC offers when playing in a club with poor acoustics with a monitor not quite up to the job it’s required for; it takes a good ear to notice that the auto-gridding in is off and your mix needs to be manually brought back inline immediately.
      Visuals are good for seeing where your mix-point is but as both Serato and Traktor’s displays take 2nd priority behind the audio it’s still best to rely on those good ol’ ears.

      Nice bit of mixing practice for you if you’re interested. Mix James Brown ‘get on up (sex machine)’ with Jackson’s ‘Blame it on the boogie’ just before the bridge in sex machine.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=732729116 Renaldo John

    how come no mention of the S4′s DVS Capability (S4 Scratch Upgrade)? Something that no other controller can do and  is extremely economical…it’s like an audio 10 with transport controls and faders :/

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=732729116 Renaldo John

    how come no mention of the S4′s DVS Capability (S4 Scratch Upgrade)? Something that no other controller can do and  is extremely economical…it’s like an audio 10 with transport controls and faders :/

  • Deaconjonez

    so many sound cards im a serato user its hard to keep up on all the new soundcards/intergration. Lately for 2 setup gigs I just daisy chain 2 SL1 boxes problem solved,great article though. 

  • Deaconjonez

    so many sound cards im a serato user its hard to keep up on all the new soundcards/intergration. Lately for 2 setup gigs I just daisy chain 2 SL1 boxes problem solved,great article though. 

  • Knappy

    There are so many things that differ between the two. Sync, midi feedback, video plugin, etc that if one can tackle all the highlights, you will have a clear winner. Of course, until then I’ll keep using both depending on the performance

  • Knappy

    There are so many things that differ between the two. Sync, midi feedback, video plugin, etc that if one can tackle all the highlights, you will have a clear winner. Of course, until then I’ll keep using both depending on the performance

  • David De Grandpré

    I switched from traktor to serato 1 month ago and a i have to say that traktor is way better, i’m just waiting for a video plug in from NI to switch back

  • David De Grandpré

    I switched from traktor to serato 1 month ago and a i have to say that traktor is way better, i’m just waiting for a video plug in from NI to switch back

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001768084621 Rolf Ski

    One thing I truly miss in this article is a solid software interface comparison, especially when it comes to music collection management.

    Although I’m a Traktor user the latter is supposed to be an area where Serato really shines.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001768084621 Rolf Ski

    One thing I truly miss in this article is a solid software interface comparison, especially when it comes to music collection management.

    Although I’m a Traktor user the latter is supposed to be an area where Serato really shines.

  • Cbm1975@gmail.com

    How come no mention of ableton and serratos the bridge ?

  • Cbm1975@gmail.com

    How come no mention of ableton and serratos the bridge ?

    • 4real

      Seriously, how can you make an “up to date” comparison of FX and not even freaking mention the bridge. f a i l

      • http://www.djpc3.com DJ PC3

        Because is not really “apart” of Serato Scratch Live (hence the title)… Bridge requires and additional $800 investment in the full system of Ableton. Not to mention there are major restrictions on the two software’s collaborations capabilities.

        So no it makes complete sense to ignore the bridge, it would be like if the include Maschine in the review because you can like the master tempo clock and route the audio out of the same interface; its a completely separated ”add-on” feature that most users don’t use.

        • 4real

          your so full of shit serato is all bridge right now…. and there absolutely no “major restrictions” if you set it up right IE BIGWIZ setup, but you dont know what the hell your talking about.

          • 4real

            800 bucks for ableton? Thats how out of fucking touch you are.
            Its half of that retail, not to mention EVERYONE has a free copy.

        • 4real

          your so full of shit serato is all bridge right now…. and there absolutely no “major restrictions” if you set it up right IE BIGWIZ setup, but you dont know what the hell your talking about.

        • 4real

          They ignore the bridge because they know nothing about the bridge, which is fine if they didnt claim to be an authority of DJ’ing.

          • David De Grandpré

            Yes the bridge is an add-on but you need to have ableton live for it to work and it is not included in the box when you buy scratch live so that is why it’s not part of the review

        • 4real

          They ignore the bridge because they know nothing about the bridge, which is fine if they didnt claim to be an authority of DJ’ing.

        • 4real

          the sample deck pictured in the article above is a “addon” just like the bridge… god i could go off on you for days.

          • josh

            Sample Decks aren’t an add-on you can compare to bridge. First off, it comes with Traktor 2 software. And yeah technically bridge comes with Serato as well, but in order for it to work the user has to have Ableton too. Making it more of a plug-in rather then an add-on.

          • josh

            Sample Decks aren’t an add-on you can compare to bridge. First off, it comes with Traktor 2 software. And yeah technically bridge comes with Serato as well, but in order for it to work the user has to have Ableton too. Making it more of a plug-in rather then an add-on.

          • 4real

            again you have no clue… The bridge is right next to the sampler in the “add-on” tab of serato

        • 4real

          the sample deck pictured in the article above is a “addon” just like the bridge… god i could go off on you for days.

      • http://www.djpc3.com DJ PC3

        Because is not really “apart” of Serato Scratch Live (hence the title)… Bridge requires and additional $800 investment in the full system of Ableton. Not to mention there are major restrictions on the two software’s collaborations capabilities.

        So no it makes complete sense to ignore the bridge, it would be like if the include Maschine in the review because you can like the master tempo clock and route the audio out of the same interface; its a completely separated ”add-on” feature that most users don’t use.

    • 4real

      Seriously, how can you make an “up to date” comparison of FX and not even freaking mention the bridge. f a i l

  • Soundinsurgent

    The 1 thing I have noticed between the 2 (I have the SL3 & Audio 8) is that the Serato ASIO drivers are not as good. The SL3 always seems to use more cpu, where as my Audio 8 is very good. I think Serato did a sloppy job with the drivers………..Down with Serato!!

  • Soundinsurgent

    The 1 thing I have noticed between the 2 (I have the SL3 & Audio 8) is that the Serato ASIO drivers are not as good. The SL3 always seems to use more cpu, where as my Audio 8 is very good. I think Serato did a sloppy job with the drivers………..Down with Serato!!

    • PedroMac

      I beg to differ on that one – had nothing but glitches with the Audio4 and S4 even with the latest driver updates and much service tweaking.  Never had problems with an SL1 or VCI-300.

      Maybe it’s more of an issue with PCs though?

    • PedroMac

      I beg to differ on that one – had nothing but glitches with the Audio4 and S4 even with the latest driver updates and much service tweaking.  Never had problems with an SL1 or VCI-300.

      Maybe it’s more of an issue with PCs though?

  • Michielygil

    I’m Traktor all the way, since i’m used to it and love the audio 8, but I find that this review kinda ignores the enormous benefit the second usb on the Rane soundcard has. That is a serious plus when you’re used to DJ back 2 back or with friends in general.

    • http://dadizajn.net Tomislav Simi? ToS

      BIG Downside of Audio10, it has to use external power adaptor.

    • http://dadizajn.net Tomislav Simi? ToS

      BIG Downside of Audio10, it has to use external power adaptor.

  • JesC

    I miss traktor 2khz DVS, but SSL plug and play Rane 57 + Dicers have made me a defector! Plus post fader fxs

    JesC

    • http://www.facebook.com/mixter.miagi Alexandre De Joncaire Narten

      What’s this about post fader FX? Really? Is it because of the Rane 57? If so then I’m gettin that mixer.. I just blew my numark up last night.. oooh, the years we’ve spent together. The digital FX were the problem on that mixer, aside from breaking every fader from getting too wild on it now and then. Especially when my DJ Snatcha was on it.. he has no idea how strong his wrists are :P Stop w@nkin! Jus kiddin! It’s what you get when you mix unbelievable strong with unbelievable emotional scratching. Anyway.. get back to me on the send FX please, if you’ve some time. And if it’s possible without the 57 then be my guest and explain me how you do it!

    • http://www.facebook.com/mixter.miagi Alexandre De Joncaire Narten

      What’s this about post fader FX? Really? Is it because of the Rane 57? If so then I’m gettin that mixer.. I just blew my numark up last night.. oooh, the years we’ve spent together. The digital FX were the problem on that mixer, aside from breaking every fader from getting too wild on it now and then. Especially when my DJ Snatcha was on it.. he has no idea how strong his wrists are :P Stop w@nkin! Jus kiddin! It’s what you get when you mix unbelievable strong with unbelievable emotional scratching. Anyway.. get back to me on the send FX please, if you’ve some time. And if it’s possible without the 57 then be my guest and explain me how you do it!

  • m.beijer

    Wise last words. Good comparison, think you covered the most important parts! cheers