• Max Yankov

    By the way, if you performing your own material, is it a good idea to remaster for such venue, adding more space for the mix? Because it’s not like you’re going to loose a loudness war with such setup

    • http://www.facebook.com/oli.sharp Oli Sharp

      Don’t remaster, just a/b your own tunes with some other tunes you know sound good in a club. Dance music DOES sound good with compression and limiting, just not too much;)

  • http://twitter.com/djaudio1 DJ AUDIO1

    Doing an opening Moombahton/Dubstep set for Big Chocolate and Zeds Dead in SF last month, I learned all these lessons at once. Thankfully the venue called for a sound check and everything was dialed in. I was in for a shock of how loud the music was. Ear plugs are so necessary.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.tilbrook Mark Tilbrook

    The sound at Sankey’s is uncomfortably loud and I have stopped going because of it. I had to buy some £30 earplugs to try and stop my ears from being damaged and I still came out with muffled hearing.

    Inside it’s so loud that it just distorts, it’s horrible. What are you thinking making it so loud?

    • Djcl.ear

      Yea, seen that, been there (but elsewhere).

      For one they must have their ears done already, and then some owners wants the sound system to act like those chair-moving machines, so the moment you go inside the place you can’t stop dancing (moving really), no matter what you are up to.

      They will -eventually- find out that it alienates many audiences. Personally I don’t come back

  • Tom

    Great article! More like this would be really good – other club engineers/residents on what they experience week in week out and their advice. I think this is top stuff. Thanks.

  • Rderice

    I agree with Gabor. The UK is not the world and the world is not the UK. Westerners tend to believe that they run everything. How is a DJ supposed to follow the crowd when he’s wearing earplugs.

  • Rderice

    I agree with Gabor. The UK is not the world and the world is not the UK. Westerners tend to believe that they run everything. How is a DJ supposed to follow the crowd when he’s wearing earplugs.

  • Rderice

    Today’s tech toys DJ tools make every geek a good DJ. Back in the days was much better.

  • NiteFlixDubz

    By pushing the limits in dB’s you’ll just activate the limiters and lose all dynamics. Sounds loud but flat like a pancake.

    Be very carefull with mixing kicks, cause sometimes they’re out of phase and cancel each other out and gone is your kick’s body

  • NiteFlixDubz

    By pushing the limits in dB’s you’ll just activate the limiters and lose all dynamics. Sounds loud but flat like a pancake.

    Be very carefull with mixing kicks, cause sometimes they’re out of phase and cancel each other out and gone is your kick’s body

  • NiteFlixDubz

    By pushing the limits in dB’s you’ll just activate the limiters and lose all dynamics. Sounds loud but flat like a pancake.

    Be very carefull with mixing kicks, cause sometimes they’re out of phase and cancel each other out and gone is your kick’s body

  • NiteFlixDubz

    By pushing the limits in dB’s you’ll just activate the limiters and lose all dynamics. Sounds loud but flat like a pancake.

    Be very carefull with mixing kicks, cause sometimes they’re out of phase and cancel each other out and gone is your kick’s body

  • Aliã Bianco

    People! 120 db is not the problem, dynamic is wonderful. The problem is the LOUDNESS WAR, the songs areever higher, more compressed, more stupid.
    But the DJs have control!
    We have great systems, great interface, great software, knowledge, hard drive space and all this at affordable prices.
    Let’s use expanders instead of compressors, we TURN ITDOWN, NOT UP (Ean Golden, 2008), Dynamics! We’ll save the 120 db for the right moments.
    YOU have the control, not the engineer.

    Does anyone know what I mean? Ean? Dan?  anyone?

    • Djcl.ear

      Alia,
      Yes, I am sure many here are aware of the Loudness Wars.
      However the issue is… -imho-:
      To find the way of optimization while dealing with a complex sound chain, that still is evolving.
      One overlooked example of this is that the rising loudness, actually partially solves many faulty recordings that were done -in average- too low (not so far in time). If part of your music layers dont peak close to 100 (up or down) in your music editor, …and many did not even reached 50, for instance; secondary voices, instruments, etc. Those below that level dont use up more than 8 bits…
      Not many producers show this.
      See; Its a delicate BALANCE at ALL STAGES of the SOUND CHAIN.

    • Djcl.ear

      Alia,
      Yes, I am sure many here are aware of the Loudness Wars.
      However the issue is… -imho-:
      To find the way of optimization while dealing with a complex sound chain, that still is evolving.
      One overlooked example of this is that the rising loudness, actually partially solves many faulty recordings that were done -in average- too low (not so far in time). If part of your music layers dont peak close to 100 (up or down) in your music editor, …and many did not even reached 50, for instance; secondary voices, instruments, etc. Those below that level dont use up more than 8 bits…
      Not many producers show this.
      See; Its a delicate BALANCE at ALL STAGES of the SOUND CHAIN.

    • Djcl.ear

      Alia,
      Yes, I am sure many here are aware of the Loudness Wars.
      However the issue is… -imho-:
      To find the way of optimization while dealing with a complex sound chain, that still is evolving.
      One overlooked example of this is that the rising loudness, actually partially solves many faulty recordings that were done -in average- too low (not so far in time). If part of your music layers dont peak close to 100 (up or down) in your music editor, …and many did not even reached 50, for instance; secondary voices, instruments, etc. Those below that level dont use up more than 8 bits…
      Not many producers show this.
      See; Its a delicate BALANCE at ALL STAGES of the SOUND CHAIN.

      • Djcl.ear

        Re-reading your comment I realize we are probably saying the same thing. Be concious of the levels, dont saturate, except for a few instants.
        This power balance, out-of-balance is an art (and a tool) in itself.
        And one of the reasons I prefer to DJ long sets; you may allow for build ups, dramatic changes, creating context and then using it up freq-wise, release, etc.

      • Djcl.ear

        Re-reading your comment I realize we are probably saying the same thing. Be concious of the levels, dont saturate, except for a few instants.
        This power balance, out-of-balance is an art (and a tool) in itself.
        And one of the reasons I prefer to DJ long sets; you may allow for build ups, dramatic changes, creating context and then using it up freq-wise, release, etc.

      • Djcl.ear

        Re-reading your comment I realize we are probably saying the same thing. Be concious of the levels, dont saturate, except for a few instants.
        This power balance, out-of-balance is an art (and a tool) in itself.
        And one of the reasons I prefer to DJ long sets; you may allow for build ups, dramatic changes, creating context and then using it up freq-wise, release, etc.

      • Djcl.ear

        Re-reading your comment I realize we are probably saying the same thing. Be concious of the levels, dont saturate, except for a few instants.
        This power balance, out-of-balance is an art (and a tool) in itself.
        And one of the reasons I prefer to DJ long sets; you may allow for build ups, dramatic changes, creating context and then using it up freq-wise, release, etc.

    • Djcl.ear

      Alia,
      Yes, I am sure many here are aware of the Loudness Wars.
      However the issue is… -imho-:
      To find the way of optimization while dealing with a complex sound chain, that still is evolving.
      One overlooked example of this is that the rising loudness, actually partially solves many faulty recordings that were done -in average- too low (not so far in time). If part of your music layers dont peak close to 100 (up or down) in your music editor, …and many did not even reached 50, for instance; secondary voices, instruments, etc. Those below that level dont use up more than 8 bits…
      Not many producers show this.
      See; Its a delicate BALANCE at ALL STAGES of the SOUND CHAIN.

  • Aliã Bianco

    People! 120 db is not the problem, dynamic is wonderful. The problem is the LOUDNESS WAR, the songs areever higher, more compressed, more stupid.
    But the DJs have control!
    We have great systems, great interface, great software, knowledge, hard drive space and all this at affordable prices.
    Let’s use expanders instead of compressors, we TURN ITDOWN, NOT UP (Ean Golden, 2008), Dynamics! We’ll save the 120 db for the right moments.
    YOU have the control, not the engineer.

    Does anyone know what I mean? Ean? Dan?  anyone?

  • Aliã Bianco

    People! 120 db is not the problem, dynamic is wonderful. The problem is the LOUDNESS WAR, the songs areever higher, more compressed, more stupid.
    But the DJs have control!
    We have great systems, great interface, great software, knowledge, hard drive space and all this at affordable prices.
    Let’s use expanders instead of compressors, we TURN ITDOWN, NOT UP (Ean Golden, 2008), Dynamics! We’ll save the 120 db for the right moments.
    YOU have the control, not the engineer.

    Does anyone know what I mean? Ean? Dan?  anyone?

  • Aliã Bianco

    People! 120 db is not the problem, dynamic is wonderful. The problem is the LOUDNESS WAR, the songs areever higher, more compressed, more stupid.
    But the DJs have control!
    We have great systems, great interface, great software, knowledge, hard drive space and all this at affordable prices.
    Let’s use expanders instead of compressors, we TURN ITDOWN, NOT UP (Ean Golden, 2008), Dynamics! We’ll save the 120 db for the right moments.
    YOU have the control, not the engineer.

    Does anyone know what I mean? Ean? Dan?  anyone?

  • Aliã Bianco

    Remember: There huge diference between dB, dBSPL, dBV, dBu, dB(1W/1m), dBA, dBC…Just for exemple: 3dB is double of power!!

  • Aliã Bianco

    Remember: There huge diference between dB, dBSPL, dBV, dBu, dB(1W/1m), dBA, dBC…Just for exemple: 3dB is double of power!!

  • Aliã Bianco

    Remember: There huge diference between dB, dBSPL, dBV, dBu, dB(1W/1m), dBA, dBC…Just for exemple: 3dB is double of power!!

  • Aliã Bianco

    Remember: There huge diference between dB, dBSPL, dBV, dBu, dB(1W/1m), dBA, dBC…Just for exemple: 3dB is double of power!!

    • Djcl.ear

      Alia,
      to get extra 3 dB you need to apply double power (in watts) from your amp. However in low volume levels, little displacement of the vol pot gets you double power several times, iex; 1w–>2w, 2–>4w, 4w–>8w, etc. Yes, each –> gets you 3 dB extra.
      Have in mind that 3 dB is just a notch up in perception from the previous vol.
      This talk about dBs and power and watts is most alsways quite misunderstood

    • Djcl.ear

      Alia,
      to get extra 3 dB you need to apply double power (in watts) from your amp. However in low volume levels, little displacement of the vol pot gets you double power several times, iex; 1w–>2w, 2–>4w, 4w–>8w, etc. Yes, each –> gets you 3 dB extra.
      Have in mind that 3 dB is just a notch up in perception from the previous vol.
      This talk about dBs and power and watts is most alsways quite misunderstood

    • Djcl.ear

      Alia,
      to get extra 3 dB you need to apply double power (in watts) from your amp. However in low volume levels, little displacement of the vol pot gets you double power several times, iex; 1w–>2w, 2–>4w, 4w–>8w, etc. Yes, each –> gets you 3 dB extra.
      Have in mind that 3 dB is just a notch up in perception from the previous vol.
      This talk about dBs and power and watts is most alsways quite misunderstood

    • Djcl.ear

      Alia,
      to get extra 3 dB you need to apply double power (in watts) from your amp. However in low volume levels, little displacement of the vol pot gets you double power several times, iex; 1w–>2w, 2–>4w, 4w–>8w, etc. Yes, each –> gets you 3 dB extra.
      Have in mind that 3 dB is just a notch up in perception from the previous vol.
      This talk about dBs and power and watts is most alsways quite misunderstood

  • Djcl.ear

    11. Be attentive to Signal-to-Noise (S/N).
    At 124 dB, a recording done with any piece of equiment that has… lets say 80 dB S/N, will have 44 dBs of noise floor. which usually is a dense layer of freqs muddding the treble and Mids of your tunes, sounding at a level similar to conversational volumes.

    Note that at around a music level of 100 dBs, the same recordings will produce 24 dBs instead, which is far less noticeable.

  • Djcl.ear

    11. Be attentive to Signal-to-Noise (S/N).
    At 124 dB, a recording done with any piece of equiment that has… lets say 80 dB S/N, will have 44 dBs of noise floor. which usually is a dense layer of freqs muddding the treble and Mids of your tunes, sounding at a level similar to conversational volumes.

    Note that at around a music level of 100 dBs, the same recordings will produce 24 dBs instead, which is far less noticeable.

  • Djcl.ear

    Actually, I believe these points apply to most club sound systems. Djing in a system with a separated subBass will sound more along the lines explained above than your average small rig/headphones.
    So, it’s very important DJ advice!!

  • Djcl.ear

    Actually, I believe these points apply to most club sound systems. Djing in a system with a separated subBass will sound more along the lines explained above than your average small rig/headphones.
    So, it’s very important DJ advice!!

  • Sibling

    Loudest Bass i ever heard was at Noctrunal Wonderland 2008, their engineers in the minimal room was positioned in the middle of the floor, and the bass was just INSANE!! felt like my lungs were destroyed after that from the bombardment of BASS!! had to have been 120 cuz when those high notes hit my ears were bleeding!

  • Sibling

    Loudest Bass i ever heard was at Noctrunal Wonderland 2008, their engineers in the minimal room was positioned in the middle of the floor, and the bass was just INSANE!! felt like my lungs were destroyed after that from the bombardment of BASS!! had to have been 120 cuz when those high notes hit my ears were bleeding!

  • Sibling

    Loudest Bass i ever heard was at Noctrunal Wonderland 2008, their engineers in the minimal room was positioned in the middle of the floor, and the bass was just INSANE!! felt like my lungs were destroyed after that from the bombardment of BASS!! had to have been 120 cuz when those high notes hit my ears were bleeding!

  • Sibling

    Loudest Bass i ever heard was at Noctrunal Wonderland 2008, their engineers in the minimal room was positioned in the middle of the floor, and the bass was just INSANE!! felt like my lungs were destroyed after that from the bombardment of BASS!! had to have been 120 cuz when those high notes hit my ears were bleeding!

  • http://twitter.com/WooDzMuzik Anthony Woodruffe

    My mobile system has a 124dB SPL output…  But that’s with 10% THD. It will run between 90 and 95dB all night without hitting the limiter and that’s at a distance of 15m. So writing that sankeys’ system reaches 120dB isn’t all that spectacular. Most PA-systems reach that; what’s more important is how many  speakers and speaker position in relation to/and size of room that counts. If your club has a world class sound system and it sounds terrible then it’s down to either of 2 things, the DJ and/or the engineer who done the EQing. Usually it’s the DJ though.

    So make sure your channel levels hit 0dB when cueing as this will leave room for the loudest part of the track when it arrives. If it still sounds crap then you know it’s not your fault but here’s the good bit. Your first club gig could well have you doing the warm-up. This means you could be in a position to do a sound check before the club opens?

  • http://twitter.com/WooDzMuzik Anthony Woodruffe

    My mobile system has a 124dB SPL output…  But that’s with 10% THD. It will run between 90 and 95dB all night without hitting the limiter and that’s at a distance of 15m. So writing that sankeys’ system reaches 120dB isn’t all that spectacular. Most PA-systems reach that; what’s more important is how many  speakers and speaker position in relation to/and size of room that counts. If your club has a world class sound system and it sounds terrible then it’s down to either of 2 things, the DJ and/or the engineer who done the EQing. Usually it’s the DJ though.

    So make sure your channel levels hit 0dB when cueing as this will leave room for the loudest part of the track when it arrives. If it still sounds crap then you know it’s not your fault but here’s the good bit. Your first club gig could well have you doing the warm-up. This means you could be in a position to do a sound check before the club opens?

  • http://twitter.com/WooDzMuzik Anthony Woodruffe

    My mobile system has a 124dB SPL output…  But that’s with 10% THD. It will run between 90 and 95dB all night without hitting the limiter and that’s at a distance of 15m. So writing that sankeys’ system reaches 120dB isn’t all that spectacular. Most PA-systems reach that; what’s more important is how many  speakers and speaker position in relation to/and size of room that counts. If your club has a world class sound system and it sounds terrible then it’s down to either of 2 things, the DJ and/or the engineer who done the EQing. Usually it’s the DJ though.

    So make sure your channel levels hit 0dB when cueing as this will leave room for the loudest part of the track when it arrives. If it still sounds crap then you know it’s not your fault but here’s the good bit. Your first club gig could well have you doing the warm-up. This means you could be in a position to do a sound check before the club opens?

  • http://twitter.com/WooDzMuzik Anthony Woodruffe

    My mobile system has a 124dB SPL output…  But that’s with 10% THD. It will run between 90 and 95dB all night without hitting the limiter and that’s at a distance of 15m. So writing that sankeys’ system reaches 120dB isn’t all that spectacular. Most PA-systems reach that; what’s more important is how many  speakers and speaker position in relation to/and size of room that counts. If your club has a world class sound system and it sounds terrible then it’s down to either of 2 things, the DJ and/or the engineer who done the EQing. Usually it’s the DJ though.

    So make sure your channel levels hit 0dB when cueing as this will leave room for the loudest part of the track when it arrives. If it still sounds crap then you know it’s not your fault but here’s the good bit. Your first club gig could well have you doing the warm-up. This means you could be in a position to do a sound check before the club opens?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=118900059 Destin Jacobus

    Regarding the volume and monitor issues, I’ve gotten used to being able to mix ‘visually’ with Traktor or Serato. I’ve played in too many clubs with shitty monitors that it’s been a lifesaver. It saves on blasting my ears with headphones also. I suppose it’s an advantage to using a digital rig..

    When I was opening up for one particular superstar DJ, he pitched a total temper tantrum about the monitors, etc when it was his turn to go on using a 4xCDJ2000s setup. This was after I had already been DJing on the same system for 2 hours. The monitors were blaring soo loud by the time he was happy that I’m sure his hearing is gone. 

    Changing up mixing styles is one of the best tips on here. The size of the soundsystem and room, as well as the type of mixer can all play in to how kick drums will blend. Even when on perfect sync, a slow blend of the kicks can sound muddy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=118900059 Destin Jacobus

    Regarding the volume and monitor issues, I’ve gotten used to being able to mix ‘visually’ with Traktor or Serato. I’ve played in too many clubs with shitty monitors that it’s been a lifesaver. It saves on blasting my ears with headphones also. I suppose it’s an advantage to using a digital rig..

    When I was opening up for one particular superstar DJ, he pitched a total temper tantrum about the monitors, etc when it was his turn to go on using a 4xCDJ2000s setup. This was after I had already been DJing on the same system for 2 hours. The monitors were blaring soo loud by the time he was happy that I’m sure his hearing is gone. 

    Changing up mixing styles is one of the best tips on here. The size of the soundsystem and room, as well as the type of mixer can all play in to how kick drums will blend. Even when on perfect sync, a slow blend of the kicks can sound muddy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=118900059 Destin Jacobus

    Regarding the volume and monitor issues, I’ve gotten used to being able to mix ‘visually’ with Traktor or Serato. I’ve played in too many clubs with shitty monitors that it’s been a lifesaver. It saves on blasting my ears with headphones also. I suppose it’s an advantage to using a digital rig..

    When I was opening up for one particular superstar DJ, he pitched a total temper tantrum about the monitors, etc when it was his turn to go on using a 4xCDJ2000s setup. This was after I had already been DJing on the same system for 2 hours. The monitors were blaring soo loud by the time he was happy that I’m sure his hearing is gone. 

    Changing up mixing styles is one of the best tips on here. The size of the soundsystem and room, as well as the type of mixer can all play in to how kick drums will blend. Even when on perfect sync, a slow blend of the kicks can sound muddy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=118900059 Destin Jacobus

    Regarding the volume and monitor issues, I’ve gotten used to being able to mix ‘visually’ with Traktor or Serato. I’ve played in too many clubs with shitty monitors that it’s been a lifesaver. It saves on blasting my ears with headphones also. I suppose it’s an advantage to using a digital rig..

    When I was opening up for one particular superstar DJ, he pitched a total temper tantrum about the monitors, etc when it was his turn to go on using a 4xCDJ2000s setup. This was after I had already been DJing on the same system for 2 hours. The monitors were blaring soo loud by the time he was happy that I’m sure his hearing is gone. 

    Changing up mixing styles is one of the best tips on here. The size of the soundsystem and room, as well as the type of mixer can all play in to how kick drums will blend. Even when on perfect sync, a slow blend of the kicks can sound muddy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    whos idea bright  idea to move the dj box sankeys after the refurb cant see shit now n where are the truck horns??? (”¬)  

  • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    whos idea bright  idea to move the dj box sankeys after the refurb cant see shit now n where are the truck horns??? (”¬)  

  • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    whos idea bright  idea to move the dj box sankeys after the refurb cant see shit now n where are the truck horns??? (”¬)  

  • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    whos idea bright  idea to move the dj box sankeys after the refurb cant see shit now n where are the truck horns??? (”¬)  

    • Mistermoleymole

      whos idea was it for the refurb is my question!??!

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        hmmm… ah yes, the good old days: a factory bassment, blacked out, a plank for a bar, and a 2am licence and on red bull all night apart from the girls who always had vodka and i always got some… ;) and the truck horns my first experience of them layo & bushwacker “lovestory” drops and “PARRRRRPPPPHHH!!!”, “WTF WAS THAT!?!” right next to the DJ box deaf all night cuz the horns lol quality…

    • Mistermoleymole

      whos idea was it for the refurb is my question!??!

    • Mistermoleymole

      whos idea was it for the refurb is my question!??!

    • Mistermoleymole

      whos idea was it for the refurb is my question!??!

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quiggers/124772850902766 Quiggers

    Boy racer sound engineers are exactly why noise regulation for music venues is being introduced in the UK. Regulation always over steps common sense but common sense is being ignored when ever someone turns that system up. Its like the loudness war in the charts, everybody loses.

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quiggers/124772850902766 Quiggers

    Boy racer sound engineers are exactly why noise regulation for music venues is being introduced in the UK. Regulation always over steps common sense but common sense is being ignored when ever someone turns that system up. Its like the loudness war in the charts, everybody loses.

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quiggers/124772850902766 Quiggers

    Boy racer sound engineers are exactly why noise regulation for music venues is being introduced in the UK. Regulation always over steps common sense but common sense is being ignored when ever someone turns that system up. Its like the loudness war in the charts, everybody loses.

  • https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quiggers/124772850902766 Quiggers

    Boy racer sound engineers are exactly why noise regulation for music venues is being introduced in the UK. Regulation always over steps common sense but common sense is being ignored when ever someone turns that system up. Its like the loudness war in the charts, everybody loses.

    • Guest

      Your car may be able to reach 200m/h. that does not mean you’ll b0.e driving through the back streets of your home town at that speed.
      The system CAN reach 120db that doesn’t mean it gets driven that loud (please ready the articles properly before making silly remarks
      Good to have the headroom though! It allows for an healthy uncompressed dynamic range…

  • http://www.facebook.com/ole.roessner Ole Rößner

    Nice article. Remembered me to my first time in a big room. I was standing vis a vis the bass system and wondered why the bass “reached me” approx. half a second later than the rest ;)

    But for me the three main points from this article are:
    “Use the f*ckin’ earplugs!!!”
    “Know your own equipment and some industrial standards, dude!”
    “Have some backup in your bag if you rely on technology!”

    I’ve saw many upcoming “artists” playing on a lots of parties around but not knowing the simplest things in their soft- and hardware.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ole.roessner Ole Rößner

    Nice article. Remembered me to my first time in a big room. I was standing vis a vis the bass system and wondered why the bass “reached me” approx. half a second later than the rest ;)

    But for me the three main points from this article are:
    “Use the f*ckin’ earplugs!!!”
    “Know your own equipment and some industrial standards, dude!”
    “Have some backup in your bag if you rely on technology!”

    I’ve saw many upcoming “artists” playing on a lots of parties around but not knowing the simplest things in their soft- and hardware.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ole.roessner Ole Rößner

    Nice article. Remembered me to my first time in a big room. I was standing vis a vis the bass system and wondered why the bass “reached me” approx. half a second later than the rest ;)

    But for me the three main points from this article are:
    “Use the f*ckin’ earplugs!!!”
    “Know your own equipment and some industrial standards, dude!”
    “Have some backup in your bag if you rely on technology!”

    I’ve saw many upcoming “artists” playing on a lots of parties around but not knowing the simplest things in their soft- and hardware.

    • Markku Uttula

      Regarding: “Have some backup in your bag if you rely on technology!”

      Personally I have a hopefully steady backup plan for situations like “death of a laptop” (hasn’t happened to me in four years, and hopefully never will again) or “software crashing” (which hasn’t happened to me in over a year, but you never know)…

      The main line of my defence are my timecode CDs (which I usually bring along at least three to four pairs to any venue) … the first track on each disk is the timecode track, whereas the rest of the disks is filled with recent floorfillers and stuff like that. With the surplus timecode CDs, even with a total loss of computer midgig, I can still play a full gig (granted, it most likely will be rather unsurprising set of hits, but it still will be a full set) – and… the CDs are always ready to serve me as timecode control CDs also (furthermore, I never need to spend time finding a new disk if the laptop dies – I can just skip to the next track and continue playing on the mixer’s “through”-channels).

      Extremely simple and effective way to save a day if the shit happens to hit the fan. I do hope it never comes to that, but with the amount of gigs I do monthly, I’d rather be prepared.

    • Markku Uttula

      Regarding: “Have some backup in your bag if you rely on technology!”

      Personally I have a hopefully steady backup plan for situations like “death of a laptop” (hasn’t happened to me in four years, and hopefully never will again) or “software crashing” (which hasn’t happened to me in over a year, but you never know)…

      The main line of my defence are my timecode CDs (which I usually bring along at least three to four pairs to any venue) … the first track on each disk is the timecode track, whereas the rest of the disks is filled with recent floorfillers and stuff like that. With the surplus timecode CDs, even with a total loss of computer midgig, I can still play a full gig (granted, it most likely will be rather unsurprising set of hits, but it still will be a full set) – and… the CDs are always ready to serve me as timecode control CDs also (furthermore, I never need to spend time finding a new disk if the laptop dies – I can just skip to the next track and continue playing on the mixer’s “through”-channels).

      Extremely simple and effective way to save a day if the shit happens to hit the fan. I do hope it never comes to that, but with the amount of gigs I do monthly, I’d rather be prepared.

    • Markku Uttula

      Regarding: “Have some backup in your bag if you rely on technology!”

      Personally I have a hopefully steady backup plan for situations like “death of a laptop” (hasn’t happened to me in four years, and hopefully never will again) or “software crashing” (which hasn’t happened to me in over a year, but you never know)…

      The main line of my defence are my timecode CDs (which I usually bring along at least three to four pairs to any venue) … the first track on each disk is the timecode track, whereas the rest of the disks is filled with recent floorfillers and stuff like that. With the surplus timecode CDs, even with a total loss of computer midgig, I can still play a full gig (granted, it most likely will be rather unsurprising set of hits, but it still will be a full set) – and… the CDs are always ready to serve me as timecode control CDs also (furthermore, I never need to spend time finding a new disk if the laptop dies – I can just skip to the next track and continue playing on the mixer’s “through”-channels).

      Extremely simple and effective way to save a day if the shit happens to hit the fan. I do hope it never comes to that, but with the amount of gigs I do monthly, I’d rather be prepared.

    • Markku Uttula

      Regarding: “Have some backup in your bag if you rely on technology!”

      Personally I have a hopefully steady backup plan for situations like “death of a laptop” (hasn’t happened to me in four years, and hopefully never will again) or “software crashing” (which hasn’t happened to me in over a year, but you never know)…

      The main line of my defence are my timecode CDs (which I usually bring along at least three to four pairs to any venue) … the first track on each disk is the timecode track, whereas the rest of the disks is filled with recent floorfillers and stuff like that. With the surplus timecode CDs, even with a total loss of computer midgig, I can still play a full gig (granted, it most likely will be rather unsurprising set of hits, but it still will be a full set) – and… the CDs are always ready to serve me as timecode control CDs also (furthermore, I never need to spend time finding a new disk if the laptop dies – I can just skip to the next track and continue playing on the mixer’s “through”-channels).

      Extremely simple and effective way to save a day if the shit happens to hit the fan. I do hope it never comes to that, but with the amount of gigs I do monthly, I’d rather be prepared.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ole.roessner Ole Rößner

    Nice article. Remembered me to my first time in a big room. I was standing vis a vis the bass system and wondered why the bass “reached me” approx. half a second later than the rest ;)

    But for me the three main points from this article are:
    “Use the f*ckin’ earplugs!!!”
    “Know your own equipment and some industrial standards, dude!”
    “Have some backup in your bag if you rely on technology!”

    I’ve saw many upcoming “artists” playing on a lots of parties around but not knowing the simplest things in their soft- and hardware.

  • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    just to add on to the sankeys point i agrees it too loud as the real legal limit in uk clubs is 90db and a venue of 750 and it’s layout should reflect this go louder if in bigger venues turn it up by all means in my past career i DJ for ministry of sound in a venue in harrogate (town north of leeds in the uk for the yanks ;) ) for a venue of the same size the volume was no where as near as loud as sankeys but a hell of a lot clearer and was all a martin audio rig all digitally compressed and limited with bass you could feel and not distort, so loud dosen’t always mean better….

  • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    just to add on to the sankeys point i agrees it too loud as the real legal limit in uk clubs is 90db and a venue of 750 and it’s layout should reflect this go louder if in bigger venues turn it up by all means in my past career i DJ for ministry of sound in a venue in harrogate (town north of leeds in the uk for the yanks ;) ) for a venue of the same size the volume was no where as near as loud as sankeys but a hell of a lot clearer and was all a martin audio rig all digitally compressed and limited with bass you could feel and not distort, so loud dosen’t always mean better….

  • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    just to add on to the sankeys point i agrees it too loud as the real legal limit in uk clubs is 90db and a venue of 750 and it’s layout should reflect this go louder if in bigger venues turn it up by all means in my past career i DJ for ministry of sound in a venue in harrogate (town north of leeds in the uk for the yanks ;) ) for a venue of the same size the volume was no where as near as loud as sankeys but a hell of a lot clearer and was all a martin audio rig all digitally compressed and limited with bass you could feel and not distort, so loud dosen’t always mean better….

  • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

    just to add on to the sankeys point i agrees it too loud as the real legal limit in uk clubs is 90db and a venue of 750 and it’s layout should reflect this go louder if in bigger venues turn it up by all means in my past career i DJ for ministry of sound in a venue in harrogate (town north of leeds in the uk for the yanks ;) ) for a venue of the same size the volume was no where as near as loud as sankeys but a hell of a lot clearer and was all a martin audio rig all digitally compressed and limited with bass you could feel and not distort, so loud dosen’t always mean better….

  • Phil

    Excellent article, some real good advice here from those who know. Respect.

  • Phil

    Excellent article, some real good advice here from those who know. Respect.

  • Phil

    Excellent article, some real good advice here from those who know. Respect.

  • Phil

    Excellent article, some real good advice here from those who know. Respect.

  • Mistermoleymole

    Like like like…. Sorry but the sound system in sankeys nowadays is turd. It’s just horribly loud and I think it’s the main cause of my tinitus. If the sound engineer is reading this, you really need to take note… You need more quality and less quantity. Your sound system is the reason I won’t even go and see my favourite DJ there now. Your killing kids ears, hope your happy with yourself!

  • Mistermoleymole

    Like like like…. Sorry but the sound system in sankeys nowadays is turd. It’s just horribly loud and I think it’s the main cause of my tinitus. If the sound engineer is reading this, you really need to take note… You need more quality and less quantity. Your sound system is the reason I won’t even go and see my favourite DJ there now. Your killing kids ears, hope your happy with yourself!

  • Mistermoleymole

    Like like like…. Sorry but the sound system in sankeys nowadays is turd. It’s just horribly loud and I think it’s the main cause of my tinitus. If the sound engineer is reading this, you really need to take note… You need more quality and less quantity. Your sound system is the reason I won’t even go and see my favourite DJ there now. Your killing kids ears, hope your happy with yourself!

    • eugene whocares

      pha

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        sound like some 1 needs to learn…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        sound like some 1 needs to learn…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        sound like some 1 needs to learn…

      • http://www.facebook.com/piopro James ‘Pioneer’ Burkill

        sound like some 1 needs to learn…

    • eugene whocares

      pha

    • eugene whocares

      pha

    • eugene whocares

      pha

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKE5KPVRFVPWKFGMGTKOBHS4ZM G00FiE

      phazone are amazing sound systems!!  im not familiar with one at sankeys but ive thoroughly enjoyed the ones in twilo and vinyl… especially the 4way at vinyl was insaane

      • Mistermoleymole

        may well be! I’m not in anyway saying they aren’t.  My message is specifically about sankeys.  Its a club ive been to many times but will not go back now due to the shear loudness of the place.  Loud isnt better!  Look at places like amnesia in ibiza, events like sonar… the setups in them places are amaing! Your immersed in sound yet some how you come out without ringing ears, and a sense of actually being out with your mates as you could hold down conversations without shouting, damaging your vocal chords as well as your hearing! :)

        • http://dadizajn.net Tomislav Simi? ToS

          Amen.

        • http://dadizajn.net Tomislav Simi? ToS

          Amen.

        • http://dadizajn.net Tomislav Simi? ToS

          Amen.

        • http://dadizajn.net Tomislav Simi? ToS

          Amen.

      • Mistermoleymole

        may well be! I’m not in anyway saying they aren’t.  My message is specifically about sankeys.  Its a club ive been to many times but will not go back now due to the shear loudness of the place.  Loud isnt better!  Look at places like amnesia in ibiza, events like sonar… the setups in them places are amaing! Your immersed in sound yet some how you come out without ringing ears, and a sense of actually being out with your mates as you could hold down conversations without shouting, damaging your vocal chords as well as your hearing! :)

      • Mistermoleymole

        may well be! I’m not in anyway saying they aren’t.  My message is specifically about sankeys.  Its a club ive been to many times but will not go back now due to the shear loudness of the place.  Loud isnt better!  Look at places like amnesia in ibiza, events like sonar… the setups in them places are amaing! Your immersed in sound yet some how you come out without ringing ears, and a sense of actually being out with your mates as you could hold down conversations without shouting, damaging your vocal chords as well as your hearing! :)

      • Mistermoleymole

        may well be! I’m not in anyway saying they aren’t.  My message is specifically about sankeys.  Its a club ive been to many times but will not go back now due to the shear loudness of the place.  Loud isnt better!  Look at places like amnesia in ibiza, events like sonar… the setups in them places are amaing! Your immersed in sound yet some how you come out without ringing ears, and a sense of actually being out with your mates as you could hold down conversations without shouting, damaging your vocal chords as well as your hearing! :)

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKE5KPVRFVPWKFGMGTKOBHS4ZM G00FiE

      phazone are amazing sound systems!!  im not familiar with one at sankeys but ive thoroughly enjoyed the ones in twilo and vinyl… especially the 4way at vinyl was insaane

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKE5KPVRFVPWKFGMGTKOBHS4ZM G00FiE

      phazone are amazing sound systems!!  im not familiar with one at sankeys but ive thoroughly enjoyed the ones in twilo and vinyl… especially the 4way at vinyl was insaane

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PKE5KPVRFVPWKFGMGTKOBHS4ZM G00FiE

      phazone are amazing sound systems!!  im not familiar with one at sankeys but ive thoroughly enjoyed the ones in twilo and vinyl… especially the 4way at vinyl was insaane

    • Guest

      It’s just too easy to blame the sound system and the engineer!…
      The system sounds great and I believe the engineer is not that bad…
      Putting things in perspective, it’s not hard to realize that badly encoded mp3, too much alcohol/drugs and a complete lack of knowledge and respect for music quality and hi-fidelity leads 99% of DJs to drive their equipment to the extreme of bearable distortions.
      Bring in a pair or decks, some good pressed vinyl and DJs that know their job and I’m sure you’ll find the experience a much more enjoyable one.

  • Mistermoleymole

    Like like like…. Sorry but the sound system in sankeys nowadays is turd. It’s just horribly loud and I think it’s the main cause of my tinitus. If the sound engineer is reading this, you really need to take note… You need more quality and less quantity. Your sound system is the reason I won’t even go and see my favourite DJ there now. Your killing kids ears, hope your happy with yourself!

  • DJ Funke

    If anyone is looking to build their own system, whether for a club or mobile system, I highly recomend Bill Fitzmaurice’s plans http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/

    The man is an audio wizard. His designs can be found in many clubs around the world.

    Im currently building four dr250 tops and four tuba 30s. They are not expensive, only around $200 a cab. Just time consuming to build. But the result is a system that sounds better than anything you can buy and costs only a fraction of the price.

    The tops max power is only 60 volts, so they require very little power, but produce somewhere around 115db @ 1w. The subs are a horn loaded design and one 12 can produce more low end bass than a 15 or 18 in a conventional style cab.

    Ill be using a minidsp to control all my audio processing. http://www.minidsp.com/onlinestore/browse/15-minidsp-in-a-box?sef=hc

    You can configure it on the fly with your laptop and have control over all your crossovers, eq’s, delays, and other speaker parameters.

    They have a sort of app store where you can purchace different apps (with free future upgrades) for using it in different ways. You can even power it via usb or use it in your car system. It does everything lol.

  • DJ Funke

    If anyone is looking to build their own system, whether for a club or mobile system, I highly recomend Bill Fitzmaurice’s plans http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/

    The man is an audio wizard. His designs can be found in many clubs around the world.

    Im currently building four dr250 tops and four tuba 30s. They are not expensive, only around $200 a cab. Just time consuming to build. But the result is a system that sounds better than anything you can buy and costs only a fraction of the price.

    The tops max power is only 60 volts, so they require very little power, but produce somewhere around 115db @ 1w. The subs are a horn loaded design and one 12 can produce more low end bass than a 15 or 18 in a conventional style cab.

    Ill be using a minidsp to control all my audio processing. http://www.minidsp.com/onlinestore/browse/15-minidsp-in-a-box?sef=hc

    You can configure it on the fly with your laptop and have control over all your crossovers, eq’s, delays, and other speaker parameters.

    They have a sort of app store where you can purchace different apps (with free future upgrades) for using it in different ways. You can even power it via usb or use it in your car system. It does everything lol.

  • DJ Funke

    If anyone is looking to build their own system, whether for a club or mobile system, I highly recomend Bill Fitzmaurice’s plans http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/

    The man is an audio wizard. His designs can be found in many clubs around the world.

    Im currently building four dr250 tops and four tuba 30s. They are not expensive, only around $200 a cab. Just time consuming to build. But the result is a system that sounds better than anything you can buy and costs only a fraction of the price.

    The tops max power is only 60 volts, so they require very little power, but produce somewhere around 115db @ 1w. The subs are a horn loaded design and one 12 can produce more low end bass than a 15 or 18 in a conventional style cab.

    Ill be using a minidsp to control all my audio processing. http://www.minidsp.com/onlinestore/browse/15-minidsp-in-a-box?sef=hc

    You can configure it on the fly with your laptop and have control over all your crossovers, eq’s, delays, and other speaker parameters.

    They have a sort of app store where you can purchace different apps (with free future upgrades) for using it in different ways. You can even power it via usb or use it in your car system. It does everything lol.

  • DJ Funke

    If anyone is looking to build their own system, whether for a club or mobile system, I highly recomend Bill Fitzmaurice’s plans http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/

    The man is an audio wizard. His designs can be found in many clubs around the world.

    Im currently building four dr250 tops and four tuba 30s. They are not expensive, only around $200 a cab. Just time consuming to build. But the result is a system that sounds better than anything you can buy and costs only a fraction of the price.

    The tops max power is only 60 volts, so they require very little power, but produce somewhere around 115db @ 1w. The subs are a horn loaded design and one 12 can produce more low end bass than a 15 or 18 in a conventional style cab.

    Ill be using a minidsp to control all my audio processing. http://www.minidsp.com/onlinestore/browse/15-minidsp-in-a-box?sef=hc

    You can configure it on the fly with your laptop and have control over all your crossovers, eq’s, delays, and other speaker parameters.

    They have a sort of app store where you can purchace different apps (with free future upgrades) for using it in different ways. You can even power it via usb or use it in your car system. It does everything lol.

  • http://ax11.myopenid.com/ Tom

    ** A big system will expose poor file quality **
    this should be engraved in stone or painted on metal in yellow and black (with a big skull and crossbones below) as so many do still not believe it (“it sounds great on my iPod, so it must sound great anywhere, duh!”) and as so many apps still do not support FLAC. For reasons, I just can’t understand: it’s perfectly lossless, it’s free (even for software or hardware vendors), FLAC is well probed, provides standard metadata and the FLAC codecs is small and very effective.

  • http://ax11.myopenid.com/ Tom

    ** A big system will expose poor file quality **
    this should be engraved in stone or painted on metal in yellow and black (with a big skull and crossbones below) as so many do still not believe it (“it sounds great on my iPod, so it must sound great anywhere, duh!”) and as so many apps still do not support FLAC. For reasons, I just can’t understand: it’s perfectly lossless, it’s free (even for software or hardware vendors), FLAC is well probed, provides standard metadata and the FLAC codecs is small and very effective.

    • GJes

      What about mp3 in vbr mode?

    • GJes

      What about mp3 in vbr mode?

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryanmendozamusic Ryan

        Mp3 is VBR is THE WORST quality you can ever have to play in a club. For me, WAV/Lossless is the only way to go. If it’s 320kbps, please make sure it is REAL 320kbps (I know people still ‘download’ their music from blogs that re-encode stuff). Anything else is pretty useless and shameful.

        • Zach

          how do you KNOW if it is real 320kbps if im not the one who actually encoded it?

        • Zach

          how do you KNOW if it is real 320kbps if im not the one who actually encoded it?

        • Zach

          how do you KNOW if it is real 320kbps if im not the one who actually encoded it?

        • Zach

          how do you KNOW if it is real 320kbps if im not the one who actually encoded it?

          • Dnbsnuff

            use spectrum analyzer and look in high frequency range

          • Dnbsnuff

            use spectrum analyzer and look in high frequency range

          • Dnbsnuff

            use spectrum analyzer and look in high frequency range

          • Dnbsnuff

            use spectrum analyzer and look in high frequency range

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryanmendozamusic Ryan

        Mp3 is VBR is THE WORST quality you can ever have to play in a club. For me, WAV/Lossless is the only way to go. If it’s 320kbps, please make sure it is REAL 320kbps (I know people still ‘download’ their music from blogs that re-encode stuff). Anything else is pretty useless and shameful.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryanmendozamusic Ryan

        Mp3 is VBR is THE WORST quality you can ever have to play in a club. For me, WAV/Lossless is the only way to go. If it’s 320kbps, please make sure it is REAL 320kbps (I know people still ‘download’ their music from blogs that re-encode stuff). Anything else is pretty useless and shameful.

      • http://www.facebook.com/ryanmendozamusic Ryan

        Mp3 is VBR is THE WORST quality you can ever have to play in a club. For me, WAV/Lossless is the only way to go. If it’s 320kbps, please make sure it is REAL 320kbps (I know people still ‘download’ their music from blogs that re-encode stuff). Anything else is pretty useless and shameful.

    • GJes

      What about mp3 in vbr mode?

    • GJes

      What about mp3 in vbr mode?

    • Djdjd

      Thank you sir, you said it all.

  • http://ax11.myopenid.com/ Tom

    ** A big system will expose poor file quality **
    this should be engraved in stone or painted on metal in yellow and black (with a big skull and crossbones below) as so many do still not believe it (“it sounds great on my iPod, so it must sound great anywhere, duh!”) and as so many apps still do not support FLAC. For reasons, I just can’t understand: it’s perfectly lossless, it’s free (even for software or hardware vendors), FLAC is well probed, provides standard metadata and the FLAC codecs is small and very effective.

  • http://ax11.myopenid.com/ Tom

    ** A big system will expose poor file quality **
    this should be engraved in stone or painted on metal in yellow and black (with a big skull and crossbones below) as so many do still not believe it (“it sounds great on my iPod, so it must sound great anywhere, duh!”) and as so many apps still do not support FLAC. For reasons, I just can’t understand: it’s perfectly lossless, it’s free (even for software or hardware vendors), FLAC is well probed, provides standard metadata and the FLAC codecs is small and very effective.

  • Barghy

    I agree Sankeys won because of it’s fanbase and it used to be a much better club than it is now, it has started looking at the money more but they have to in the end! 

    Been there a few times now and it has been incredible everytime. Not too loud at all so I don’t think 120dB is the norm.

  • Barghy

    I agree Sankeys won because of it’s fanbase and it used to be a much better club than it is now, it has started looking at the money more but they have to in the end! 

    Been there a few times now and it has been incredible everytime. Not too loud at all so I don’t think 120dB is the norm.

  • Barghy

    I agree Sankeys won because of it’s fanbase and it used to be a much better club than it is now, it has started looking at the money more but they have to in the end! 

    Been there a few times now and it has been incredible everytime. Not too loud at all so I don’t think 120dB is the norm.

    • BigUns

      As soon as it went ‘world number 1′ people started going who r not into the scene n just do not have a clue, no atmosphere now which was what made it so good.  The owners  treat resident dj’s like shit and ruined the chill out area downstairs with a ‘vip’ (as if you go to a sweat box basement to sit in vip) section

    • BigUns

      As soon as it went ‘world number 1′ people started going who r not into the scene n just do not have a clue, no atmosphere now which was what made it so good.  The owners  treat resident dj’s like shit and ruined the chill out area downstairs with a ‘vip’ (as if you go to a sweat box basement to sit in vip) section

    • BigUns

      As soon as it went ‘world number 1′ people started going who r not into the scene n just do not have a clue, no atmosphere now which was what made it so good.  The owners  treat resident dj’s like shit and ruined the chill out area downstairs with a ‘vip’ (as if you go to a sweat box basement to sit in vip) section

    • BigUns

      As soon as it went ‘world number 1′ people started going who r not into the scene n just do not have a clue, no atmosphere now which was what made it so good.  The owners  treat resident dj’s like shit and ruined the chill out area downstairs with a ‘vip’ (as if you go to a sweat box basement to sit in vip) section

  • Barghy

    I agree Sankeys won because of it’s fanbase and it used to be a much better club than it is now, it has started looking at the money more but they have to in the end! 

    Been there a few times now and it has been incredible everytime. Not too loud at all so I don’t think 120dB is the norm.

  • JayMan574

    Make sure you computer doesn’t freeezeee always have a cd ready  …  ;)

  • JayMan574

    Make sure you computer doesn’t freeezeee always have a cd ready  …  ;)

  • JayMan574

    Make sure you computer doesn’t freeezeee always have a cd ready  …  ;)

  • JayMan574

    Make sure you computer doesn’t freeezeee always have a cd ready  …  ;)

    • Brent Silby aka Maestro B

      That happened to me a few weeks ago, mid-set. Fortunately I had some CDs. Since then I have not brought my laptop to gigs. I’m back to CDs (in the meantime), as I am now a little gunshy of computers in live situations.

    • Brent Silby aka Maestro B

      That happened to me a few weeks ago, mid-set. Fortunately I had some CDs. Since then I have not brought my laptop to gigs. I’m back to CDs (in the meantime), as I am now a little gunshy of computers in live situations.

    • Brent Silby aka Maestro B

      That happened to me a few weeks ago, mid-set. Fortunately I had some CDs. Since then I have not brought my laptop to gigs. I’m back to CDs (in the meantime), as I am now a little gunshy of computers in live situations.

    • Brent Silby aka Maestro B

      That happened to me a few weeks ago, mid-set. Fortunately I had some CDs. Since then I have not brought my laptop to gigs. I’m back to CDs (in the meantime), as I am now a little gunshy of computers in live situations.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001768084621 Rolf Ski

    Nice article, although I tend to agree with Gabor a bit:
    - DJ Mag is not that international
    - 120 db is very loud

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001768084621 Rolf Ski

    Nice article, although I tend to agree with Gabor a bit:
    - DJ Mag is not that international
    - 120 db is very loud

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001768084621 Rolf Ski

    Nice article, although I tend to agree with Gabor a bit:
    - DJ Mag is not that international
    - 120 db is very loud

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001768084621 Rolf Ski

    Nice article, although I tend to agree with Gabor a bit:
    - DJ Mag is not that international
    - 120 db is very loud

  • CONNtrol

    Great article! Sankeys is only down the road from me :D

  • CONNtrol

    Great article! Sankeys is only down the road from me :D

  • CONNtrol

    Great article! Sankeys is only down the road from me :D

  • CONNtrol

    Great article! Sankeys is only down the road from me :D

  • Gabor

    Okay, let the rant begin. Let me start with a disclaimer: this is my personal opinion, not my company’s or business partner’s or else.

    120 db in the club is simply stupid, no matter if it’s the “number one club in the world” (LOL, did they ask every clobber around the world? Because DJ Mag is _not_ international, just “UK and some western world”, and because it’s based on voting, the club with the best Facebook potential in the UK always wins).

    You put 120 db in the club, so the DJ and most of the crowd have to use earplugs.

    And with 120 db, no matter how clear and distortion-free the system is, the human ear will pick up only noise, it’s a biological fact, so you simply KILL THE MUSIC.

    From this point it doesn’t matter what kind of genre the DJ plays, everything will sound “electro”, or more like a special “club-bass genre”.

    So the DJs must compensate and play according to these LIMITATIONS, they can’t properly play their own style.

    Believe it or not, it is possible to design a sound system, which:

    - comes close to the details of your home stereo
    - punches your body
    - but not kills the crowd’s ears

    I was several times in London in many clubs, but i never heard any proper sound system, just some “okay”. They often buys overpriced systems, then use it like this stupid rock-concert mode. Of course there are properly made clubs all over Europe, but i suggest to visit some famous ones in Central and Eastern Europe for better overall quality. You can find much better designs in both visual appearance, furniture and sound systems in Romania, Russia, Hungary or similar. Of course these clubs doesn’t have the required marketing power and social media hype to became world-wide known, but sooner or later…

    So, 120 db in the club is stupid. The key is in the hands of the sound engineer.

  • Gabor

    Okay, let the rant begin. Let me start with a disclaimer: this is my personal opinion, not my company’s or business partner’s or else.

    120 db in the club is simply stupid, no matter if it’s the “number one club in the world” (LOL, did they ask every clobber around the world? Because DJ Mag is _not_ international, just “UK and some western world”, and because it’s based on voting, the club with the best Facebook potential in the UK always wins).

    You put 120 db in the club, so the DJ and most of the crowd have to use earplugs.

    And with 120 db, no matter how clear and distortion-free the system is, the human ear will pick up only noise, it’s a biological fact, so you simply KILL THE MUSIC.

    From this point it doesn’t matter what kind of genre the DJ plays, everything will sound “electro”, or more like a special “club-bass genre”.

    So the DJs must compensate and play according to these LIMITATIONS, they can’t properly play their own style.

    Believe it or not, it is possible to design a sound system, which:

    - comes close to the details of your home stereo
    - punches your body
    - but not kills the crowd’s ears

    I was several times in London in many clubs, but i never heard any proper sound system, just some “okay”. They often buys overpriced systems, then use it like this stupid rock-concert mode. Of course there are properly made clubs all over Europe, but i suggest to visit some famous ones in Central and Eastern Europe for better overall quality. You can find much better designs in both visual appearance, furniture and sound systems in Romania, Russia, Hungary or similar. Of course these clubs doesn’t have the required marketing power and social media hype to became world-wide known, but sooner or later…

    So, 120 db in the club is stupid. The key is in the hands of the sound engineer.

    • JayMan574

      It reaches!!!!! 120db which doesn’t necessarily mean it is ran at 120db for 10 hours.  Did you have to turn that into a book?

    • JayMan574

      It reaches!!!!! 120db which doesn’t necessarily mean it is ran at 120db for 10 hours.  Did you have to turn that into a book?

    • JayMan574

      It reaches!!!!! 120db which doesn’t necessarily mean it is ran at 120db for 10 hours.  Did you have to turn that into a book?

      • Gabor

        Modern tunes are having around -10 db average loudness. So if it reaches 120, then it runs around 110 average. That is tooooooo much.

        • JayMan574

          Cant you just amplify the tune to make it 120 regardless of what it was mastered at? 

          • Rob

            When the amount of dynamic range compression applied with almost little fluctuation in RMS, it’s possible. That would be one hell of a treetrunk.

        • JayMan574

          Cant you just amplify the tune to make it 120 regardless of what it was mastered at? 

        • JayMan574

          Cant you just amplify the tune to make it 120 regardless of what it was mastered at? 

        • JayMan574

          Cant you just amplify the tune to make it 120 regardless of what it was mastered at? 

      • Gabor

        Modern tunes are having around -10 db average loudness. So if it reaches 120, then it runs around 110 average. That is tooooooo much.

      • Gabor

        Modern tunes are having around -10 db average loudness. So if it reaches 120, then it runs around 110 average. That is tooooooo much.

      • Gabor

        Modern tunes are having around -10 db average loudness. So if it reaches 120, then it runs around 110 average. That is tooooooo much.

    • JayMan574

      It reaches!!!!! 120db which doesn’t necessarily mean it is ran at 120db for 10 hours.  Did you have to turn that into a book?

    • BigUns

      Sankeys never reaches anything like uncomfortable volume.  Amazing how different certain tunes sound on those systems, OD Muzique used to play Yousef – Come Home and it was like a different tune compared to a normal system

      • Mistermoleymole

        It definitely does!

      • Mistermoleymole

        It definitely does!

      • Mistermoleymole

        It definitely does!

      • Mistermoleymole

        It definitely does!

    • BigUns

      Sankeys never reaches anything like uncomfortable volume.  Amazing how different certain tunes sound on those systems, OD Muzique used to play Yousef – Come Home and it was like a different tune compared to a normal system

    • BigUns

      Sankeys never reaches anything like uncomfortable volume.  Amazing how different certain tunes sound on those systems, OD Muzique used to play Yousef – Come Home and it was like a different tune compared to a normal system

    • Mistermoleymole

      Like like like…. Sorry but the sound system in sankeys nowadays is turd. It’s just horribly loud and I think it’s the main cause of my tinitus. If the sound engineer is reading this, you really need to take note… You need more quality and less quantity. Your sound system is the reason I won’t even go and see my favourite DJ there now. Your killing kids ears, hope your happy with yourself!

    • Mistermoleymole

      Like like like…. Sorry but the sound system in sankeys nowadays is turd. It’s just horribly loud and I think it’s the main cause of my tinitus. If the sound engineer is reading this, you really need to take note… You need more quality and less quantity. Your sound system is the reason I won’t even go and see my favourite DJ there now. Your killing kids ears, hope your happy with yourself!

    • Mistermoleymole

      Like like like…. Sorry but the sound system in sankeys nowadays is turd. It’s just horribly loud and I think it’s the main cause of my tinitus. If the sound engineer is reading this, you really need to take note… You need more quality and less quantity. Your sound system is the reason I won’t even go and see my favourite DJ there now. Your killing kids ears, hope your happy with yourself!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Will-Marshall/532287403 Will Marshall

      Amen. 120db is much much too loud: it’s probable hearing damage for anyone not wearing protection.

      Bring it down 10-15db FFS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Will-Marshall/532287403 Will Marshall

      Amen. 120db is much much too loud: it’s probable hearing damage for anyone not wearing protection.

      Bring it down 10-15db FFS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Will-Marshall/532287403 Will Marshall

      Amen. 120db is much much too loud: it’s probable hearing damage for anyone not wearing protection.

      Bring it down 10-15db FFS.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Will-Marshall/532287403 Will Marshall

      Amen. 120db is much much too loud: it’s probable hearing damage for anyone not wearing protection.

      Bring it down 10-15db FFS.

    • Stikler

      Couple of points discredit your argument here, Gabo.

      Firstly DJmag have translated versions everywhere from Spain, Germany, Italy to Brazil, Mexico, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, China, South Korea and Canada so it is more global than any other dance mag. Furthermore the clubs vote is based online, and picks up votes from pretty much every country on the planet (I know as I worked on the poll).Also the systems in Fabric and Ministry of Sound are widely considered to be among the best in the world, so I’m not sure what London clubs you have been too, which have only ‘okay’ sound. But  I would suggest that they are not the right ones.

    • Mihaly

      What clubs would you recommend in Hungary?

  • Gabor

    Okay, let the rant begin. Let me start with a disclaimer: this is my personal opinion, not my company’s or business partner’s or else.

    120 db in the club is simply stupid, no matter if it’s the “number one club in the world” (LOL, did they ask every clobber around the world? Because DJ Mag is _not_ international, just “UK and some western world”, and because it’s based on voting, the club with the best Facebook potential in the UK always wins).

    You put 120 db in the club, so the DJ and most of the crowd have to use earplugs.

    And with 120 db, no matter how clear and distortion-free the system is, the human ear will pick up only noise, it’s a biological fact, so you simply KILL THE MUSIC.

    From this point it doesn’t matter what kind of genre the DJ plays, everything will sound “electro”, or more like a special “club-bass genre”.

    So the DJs must compensate and play according to these LIMITATIONS, they can’t properly play their own style.

    Believe it or not, it is possible to design a sound system, which:

    - comes close to the details of your home stereo
    - punches your body
    - but not kills the crowd’s ears

    I was several times in London in many clubs, but i never heard any proper sound system, just some “okay”. They often buys overpriced systems, then use it like this stupid rock-concert mode. Of course there are properly made clubs all over Europe, but i suggest to visit some famous ones in Central and Eastern Europe for better overall quality. You can find much better designs in both visual appearance, furniture and sound systems in Romania, Russia, Hungary or similar. Of course these clubs doesn’t have the required marketing power and social media hype to became world-wide known, but sooner or later…

    So, 120 db in the club is stupid. The key is in the hands of the sound engineer.

  • Gabor

    Okay, let the rant begin. Let me start with a disclaimer: this is my personal opinion, not my company’s or business partner’s or else.

    120 db in the club is simply stupid, no matter if it’s the “number one club in the world” (LOL, did they ask every clobber around the world? Because DJ Mag is _not_ international, just “UK and some western world”, and because it’s based on voting, the club with the best Facebook potential in the UK always wins).

    You put 120 db in the club, so the DJ and most of the crowd have to use earplugs.

    And with 120 db, no matter how clear and distortion-free the system is, the human ear will pick up only noise, it’s a biological fact, so you simply KILL THE MUSIC.

    From this point it doesn’t matter what kind of genre the DJ plays, everything will sound “electro”, or more like a special “club-bass genre”.

    So the DJs must compensate and play according to these LIMITATIONS, they can’t properly play their own style.

    Believe it or not, it is possible to design a sound system, which:

    - comes close to the details of your home stereo
    - punches your body
    - but not kills the crowd’s ears

    I was several times in London in many clubs, but i never heard any proper sound system, just some “okay”. They often buys overpriced systems, then use it like this stupid rock-concert mode. Of course there are properly made clubs all over Europe, but i suggest to visit some famous ones in Central and Eastern Europe for better overall quality. You can find much better designs in both visual appearance, furniture and sound systems in Romania, Russia, Hungary or similar. Of course these clubs doesn’t have the required marketing power and social media hype to became world-wide known, but sooner or later…

    So, 120 db in the club is stupid. The key is in the hands of the sound engineer.

  • http://www.facebook.com/gbushkuhl Grant Bushkuhl

    Great article at a perfect time for me! First big gig is coming in the next couple of months, this definitely helps my confidence in knowing what to expect in that sort of environment…as always, thanks DJTT

  • http://www.facebook.com/gbushkuhl Grant Bushkuhl

    Great article at a perfect time for me! First big gig is coming in the next couple of months, this definitely helps my confidence in knowing what to expect in that sort of environment…as always, thanks DJTT

  • http://www.facebook.com/gbushkuhl Grant Bushkuhl

    Great article at a perfect time for me! First big gig is coming in the next couple of months, this definitely helps my confidence in knowing what to expect in that sort of environment…as always, thanks DJTT

  • http://www.facebook.com/gbushkuhl Grant Bushkuhl

    Great article at a perfect time for me! First big gig is coming in the next couple of months, this definitely helps my confidence in knowing what to expect in that sort of environment…as always, thanks DJTT

  • http://twitter.com/holotropik Holotropik

    I will never forget the first time on a big system :) it does take your breath away and the adrenalin rush takes some getting over…

  • http://twitter.com/holotropik Holotropik

    I will never forget the first time on a big system :) it does take your breath away and the adrenalin rush takes some getting over…

  • http://twitter.com/holotropik Holotropik

    I will never forget the first time on a big system :) it does take your breath away and the adrenalin rush takes some getting over…

  • http://twitter.com/holotropik Holotropik

    I will never forget the first time on a big system :) it does take your breath away and the adrenalin rush takes some getting over…