• Zj Madd

    Need A Circuit Board, for vms4, any one have please send email Muzikmagazine@yahoo.com

  • Charl

    How much amps or milli amps does the vms4 use or take? Charl

  • MdJ

    I already own a decent sound card and an up-to-date Traktor Pro 2. As i would be using the controller solely to control midi within traktor, would it be advisable to take this controller into a professional/club environment?

  • magic candy project

    Hi Dj Techtools I would like to ask you to please modify these review!! I have the vms 4 in les than a year it has broken down 3 times faders, the mappings hava crushed several times during a gig, mic input is really bad. volume output is so low i have to use another mixer to boost it!! Plus that if you are using the boost (of the vms4) for a long time you can get electroshoked (not sure of the word in English).

    I’m not the only one with this problems, there is a whole comunity of users with this problems. American Audio was suposed to do a callback but they never did!

    add to the review that you have heard of loats of people having this problem!! you should say this in the first paragraph!!

    Sorry for the grammar I’m Spanish…

  • http://www.facebook.com/stephen.snow.391 Stephen Snow

    traktor mapping please!
     

  • TulsaDJ

    Noticable output is correct… here is my results.  It should be able to do at least 0.775 volts, but no.. 0.2 volts at 0db output, and a maximum of 0.56 volts at +7db?  Are you kidding me, and now their answer was to redesign the whole thing leaving the original buyers stuck with a toy.

  • Realestatemsu

    PLEASE MAKE A TRAKTOR MAP!! I HATE VIRTUAL DJ!

  • Galan96

    please create a traktor mapping asap

  • Luisvlc

    i need tks. file for traktor scratch.
    the old one
     not duo or pro
    i found one but its a tsi. file and i cant load it into my traktor scratch. i think it only takes tks files
    please help

    luis

  • Luisvlc

    i need tks. file for traktor scratch.
    the old one
     not duo or pro
    i found one but its a tsi. file and i cant load it into my traktor scratch. i think it only takes tks files
    please help

    luis

  • Jimster12_6

    hey i bought this controller but no cd software with it..
    what should i get ..so i can mess with it..

  • Jimster12_6

    hey i bought this controller but no cd software with it..
    what should i get ..so i can mess with it..

  • Jimster12_6

    hey i bought this controller but no cd software with it..
    what should i get ..so i can mess with it..

  • Jimster12_6

    hey i bought this controller but no cd software with it..
    what should i get ..so i can mess with it..

  • Jhonatan_156

    Hi, can i have work the vsm4 with audio 2dj ?

  • Millnet2

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z7K-S3Xtz4
    Great example of how effective VDJLE is!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.burn.5283 Jimmy Burn

      lol

  • shonuffjay

    i am new in the game so i come opened minded i have nothing but love for it and i want to learn what i don’t know peps so i am here to learn.

  • shonuffjay

    i am new in the game so i come opened minded i have nothing but love for it and i want to learn what i don’t know peps so i am here to learn.

  • Jordan

    Apparently, there’s a new Traktor edition that came out. Since, it seems most issues are with the mapping problems, I think it’s worth another look. Plus, it looks like there’s some minor updates to the hardware itself.

  • Jordan

    Apparently, there’s a new Traktor edition that came out. Since, it seems most issues are with the mapping problems, I think it’s worth another look. Plus, it looks like there’s some minor updates to the hardware itself.

  • Jordan

    Apparently, there’s a new Traktor edition that came out. Since, it seems most issues are with the mapping problems, I think it’s worth another look. Plus, it looks like there’s some minor updates to the hardware itself.

  • Jordan

    Apparently, there’s a new Traktor edition that came out. Since, it seems most issues are with the mapping problems, I think it’s worth another look. Plus, it looks like there’s some minor updates to the hardware itself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001828822128 Anthony Altamirano-Lopez

    hey guys i just got my vms4 and im having a bit of trouble, the crossfaid and volumes and wheels are not responding with the program, any idea why?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001828822128 Anthony Altamirano-Lopez

    hey guys i just got my vms4 and im having a bit of trouble, the crossfaid and volumes and wheels are not responding with the program, any idea why?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001828822128 Anthony Altamirano-Lopez

    hey guys i just got my vms4 and im having a bit of trouble, the crossfaid and volumes and wheels are not responding with the program, any idea why?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001828822128 Anthony Altamirano-Lopez

    hey guys i just got my vms4 and im having a bit of trouble, the crossfaid and volumes and wheels are not responding with the program, any idea why?

  • Anthony A.

    Would LOVE a traktor mapping!!!

  • Anthony A.

    Would LOVE a traktor mapping!!!

  • Anthony A.

    Would LOVE a traktor mapping!!!

  • Anthony A.

    Would LOVE a traktor mapping!!!

  • Cholo antonio

    i got 1 and i want a mapping 4 virtual dj 7 pro…

  • Cholo antonio

    i got 1 and i want a mapping 4 virtual dj 7 pro…

  • Jonescw76

    I bought my VSM4 back in October, took me a minute to get the hang of unit. I up graded my crossfader and my software, just recently I went head 2 head in a DJ Spin Off. I have to say that I won that battle, scratching and using the hot ques as a Drum machine. So all I have to say is learn how to use the VMS4, then things are all possible. American Audio thanks for putting out this unit!!!! Thx DJ Chris Whoo? Anchorage Alaska Da 9oh7…

  • Jonescw76

    I bought my VSM4 back in October, took me a minute to get the hang of unit. I up graded my crossfader and my software, just recently I went head 2 head in a DJ Spin Off. I have to say that I won that battle, scratching and using the hot ques as a Drum machine. So all I have to say is learn how to use the VMS4, then things are all possible. American Audio thanks for putting out this unit!!!! Thx DJ Chris Whoo? Anchorage Alaska Da 9oh7…

    • Cb10ata

      Can we use the Traktor 2 pro software with the VSM4?

  • DjMatt

    i just used it for the first time tonite at my bar i dj.I was excited but very disapointed with the noticabley lower than average volume from the soundcard.i WILL be returning it soon

  • DjMatt

    i just used it for the first time tonite at my bar i dj.I was excited but very disapointed with the noticabley lower than average volume from the soundcard.i WILL be returning it soon

  • PL

    Under audio quality: Thats a Rane 57 :)

  • PL

    Under audio quality: Thats a Rane 57 :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bjorn-Lundberg/100001648111563 Björn Lundberg

    Thank you! Im sure it’s sellingpoint is how it looks like on paper .. but in reality.. many thanks for the review!

  • Bobby Brandolino

    When these pieces of crap work…they are great. I sell these at my store and I have been DJing in Chicago for 20 years!
    First of all the support for problems with them sucks! They told my customers they never got calls with the issues we are having….I CALLED THEM FIRST! NO HELP WHATSOEVER!
    They shut down and freeze up in the middle of huge gigs and also stop playing songs mid way through!
    The VMS$ has cost me thousands of dollars within a few months!
    F@ck this piece of garbage!

  • ALL.GOOD.PRODUCTIONS

    Oh no!
    i just ordered this unit judging by the response this is getting im not sure now frankly i think
    unless it’s good ole reliable vinyl then there will always be problems i use torq and i had the exponent
    loved it at first but had loads of problems with it the mouse didn’t work found this out in the middle of a gig much to my annoyance it disabled my computer good job i had some c.d.’s with me sound level was disgusting not good for club use at all i must say this is built to control 4/6 decks right? Then why the hell supply Vdj lite which only has 2????
    ill post my views when the unit arrives fingers crossed.

  • FrenchTouch49

    RELOOP* Digital Jockey 2 Master Edition, sorry about that.

    • ALL.GOOD.PRODUCTIONS

      Ok got the reloop master instead of the vms4 testing it at the moment a few dodgy things going on sync buttons are temperamental with the left side refusing to light up at all
      the effects only work from the wet and dry function with the jog wheel
      for scratching its ok (jog wheels are a little small) but the supposed touch sensitivity for the sides of the jog wheel is yet to be seen ive looked within traktor’s settings but no joy
      ive been using the plus minus buttons.
      The stand alone features not bad but if i do use it playing in a club ill be using an external sound card.
      Waiting for a delivery of Tractor pro so will let yall know how it handles.

      If anyone can help please, please post as there is very little info regarding the reloop master edition apart from bad experiences with earlier models also need to know if anybody’s managed to use it with Logic Pro or any other midi assignable programs

      BIG RESPECT TO EAN.

  • FrenchTouch49

    Hi all,

    Thanks for this great review Mister Golden. I have 500 euros to spend for christmas on a MIDI controller. I’ve been using traktor pro for a while now (only with the mouse and keyboard). It’s either going to be the VMS4 or the Nuloop Digital Jockey 2 Master Edition. Not many people seem to know this product but it seems pretty cool since it’s especially made for traktor. Which should I choose? Thanks everyone and keep mixing.

  • DjSwag100

    @WirelessDJ i’m thinking the same! When i was reading the review i was thinking that he’s got something against American Audio and trying to dissuade people from buying it. Probably couldn’t recommend it to people because he was signed on to promote the Traktor S4 since we all seen the new videos. Anyway i just ordered one despite this review! I still think it’s kick a$$ for $499 well actual haggled it down to $420 so EVEN better!:) Tell me what’s a better deck to get for this price? NONE!

  • http://www.thewirelessdj.com WirelessDJ

    I feel the review was biased and unfair. What do you want for $499? I just picked one up and it seems pretty solid with VDJ pro 7 compared to Hercules and Numark.

    Granted it’s no VCI-300 when it comes to scratching but has “the most” features I have ever seen in an all-in-one Dj controller for that low of a price. The sound quality isn’t bad, I have had no issues with the mic or line level out. Yes there is room for improvement — but I would not stay away from it because of “one guy” says it’s crap.

    I am a nightclub and bar DJ since 1997 and will primarily be using the VMS-4 as my main controller to replace my VCI-300

  • belabang

    Leo, thanks for the mapping, good job on that. I´ve been modifying it a bit to work with an external soundcard, so far so good. One thing that troubles me though is the problem with the LED´s, once I change e.g. from deck A to C the LED´s are still on which results in a bit of confusion.. I read somewhere that the buttons can have different colors. Do you think it would be possible to use different colors for the buttons depending on which deck is selected? If not, would it still be possible to make the LED indication fit to the actual selection of the deck? I hope I expressed myself good enough for you to understand =)

  • DJ S

    Hey guys im planing on buying this DJ set im a beginner if i buy this it would be my first DJ set i know how to DJ but online on the computer and ive tried it on my friends his is the Hercules pro its definitely worse than this DJ but is this a good DJ set for a beginner like me?
    contact me at rey_619_96@hotmail.com
    thanks

  • http://www.adjaudio.com Leo Valladolid

    I have created a mapping that is a mapped to work with 4 decks and 4 FX units. The FX units can be used in advanced or chained modes, Browser only toggle mode, To use this set you VMS4 to 8 out mode, import the TSI FILE on Traktor I created this on V1.2.6 but i tested it on !.2.5 and 1.2.4 and 1.2.1 if you have any thing older please update your software.

    The link below contains the TSI file and 2 mapping diagrams 1in pdf and the other an adobe AI file.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3621734/Traktor%20VMS4%20mapping%20n%20Document.zip

  • belabang

    the best thing would be a piece of software that allows you to create your own config for the vms4 & traktor in an easy way, like the controller editor from NI, the fiddling in traktor itself is not for everyone..

  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    [quote comment="37672"]I touched platter out of box and was saddened greatly. I will try adjusting my latency in software maybe….[/quote]
    if it’s not a latency/optimization thing:
    in traktor you can adjust the jog wheel responsiveness. i spent quite some time to find my personal optimum value and by no means this “feels good” for everyone.

  • WooDz

    [quote comment="37243"][quote comment="37026"]

    (NOTE to Ean Golden: get the Main OUTPUT changed to XLR/RCA on the S4. Pro Mixers = XLR[/quote]

    I am sorry but this comment and others like it are just plain ignorant and need to be corrected. As long as it is a balanced output, there is no difference between an XLR and 1/4″ output. They are just connector types.

    The ONLY benefit of an XLR connection is that its harder to accidentally pull out. Otherwise they can both provide the exact same function of send a balanced, professional signal out to speakers.[/quote]
    Thank you for the information, Maybe us DJ’s are a picky bunch and when 99% of mixers come with XLR you tend to think it’s for a reason. Personally I don’t want to go and buy another 2 adapters or another 2 cables. However if I spend €1,000 on the S4 I guess another €50 won’t make that much of a difference.

    Maybe the question has to be asked if there is no difference in sound output/quality why would NI opt for 1/4″?
    Once again thanks for the clarification.

  • NUJAK

    I touched platter out of box and was saddened greatly. I will try adjusting my latency in software maybe….

  • American Audio – VMS4 – Featuring DJ Etronik

  • Waiting for Ean’s Video review
  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    [quote comment="37567"]I’m having a real struggle getting the jog wheel to work in Traktor Pro. I’m using the cd jog wheel but is there some on/off toggle I must also setup? Every other mapping I’ve done is working correctly. It just the jog wheel. it will move but it sounds like I’m try to scratch not scrub forward or backwards to find a point to set a cue…..Ideas??
    [/quote]
    i’d need more info from you regarding this, but here isn’t the right place. please email me including your tsi file.

  • hombre

    DJ Etronic

  • Anonymous

    I’m having a real struggle getting the jog wheel to work in Traktor Pro. I’m using the cd jog wheel but is there some on/off toggle I must also setup? Every other mapping I’ve done is working correctly. It just the jog wheel. it will move but it sounds like I’m try to scratch not scrub forward or backwards to find a point to set a cue…..Ideas??

    [quote comment="36418"]actually, i made 2 mappings, one for TP, one for TSP. did you use the right one?

    anyways, both were meant to be very basic.
    advanced mappings (1x TP and 1x TSP) will follow soon, but i was away 2 weeks DJing in china. with the vms, btw, which didnt let me down at all ;)

    i was a bit nervous in mix club, beijing, beforehand, since this club is known to be very, very loud and the mixer IS indeed pretty soft, but: all went very well, crowd was going crazy and indeed it’s the loudest club i’ve ever seen so far. i’d say, if i can use it in that environment in front of 4000 ppl, everybody can. or?

    however, my main PLUS for the vms is the compatibility and versatility. in one moment, you use it as normal midi controller. in the next, you use it as mixer for TSP. connect any other DVS to it and share the mixer part with a fellow DJ etc pp. absolutely outweighs – at least for me – minor weaknesses.[/quote]

  • hombre

    [quote comment="37109"]@Ean

    For the love of god man, he has been telling people on forums for months that he was involved in the design and engineering. Give me a break.[/quote]
    :script:

  • http://www.eangolden.com Ean Golden

    [quote comment="37026"]

    (NOTE to Ean Golden: get the Main OUTPUT changed to XLR/RCA on the S4. Pro Mixers = XLR[/quote]

    I am sorry but this comment and others like it are just plain ignorant and need to be corrected. As long as it is a balanced output, there is no difference between an XLR and 1/4″ output. They are just connector types.

    The ONLY benefit of an XLR connection is that its harder to accidentally pull out. Otherwise they can both provide the exact same function of send a balanced, professional signal out to speakers.

  • WooDz

    [quote comment="37162"]I was wondering, if the sound shortcomings would be addressed if I were to hook up the Audio DJ soundcard with the VMS4, or would that not be possible?[/quote]
    Brownie, Did you not read any of the comments? You can input into traktor using the VMS4 and Ouput via an NI Audio soundcard. You will require 2 USB slots to do this though
    check this YT video to see the setup in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIv4t680PCAHope this helps

  • brownie

    I was wondering, if the sound shortcomings would be addressed if I were to hook up the Audio DJ soundcard with the VMS4, or would that not be possible?

  • lj

    does this unit work with windows 7

  • Gay Zombie

    @Ean

    For the love of god man, he has been telling people on forums for months that he was involved in the design and engineering. Give me a break.

  • WooDz

    (NOTE to DJTECHTOOLS: I’ve never used this email address anywhere before. I’ve provided it so you are aware on my background)

    To all the commenters here all I can add is that this Controller must be special. It has shaken people’s emotions and that usually doesn’t happen. What I’m seeing is a €400 controller being compared to a €1000 controller. American Audio didn’t set out the build a competitive product to Allen & Heath or Native Instruments however; subsequently it’s regarded professional enough to be playing in the premium field. Forget that Ean has helped design the S4 and concetrate on the fact that the S4 has been designed to work with a newly developed piece of software. The S4 like the Xone:DX are dedicated units with specific software to work in perfect hamony. What American Audio has done is built a product that will give you a very usable interface in either VDJ or Traktor with the option to add Timecode if you wish to invest. It means that for €1000 you can use the VMS4 in conjuntion with a NI Audio soundcard and utilise many functions in Traktor; i.e. Loops, FX, EQ and benefit from what NI’s Audio 8 Soundcard offeres. When the S4 is launched it still won’t have Timecode control and no doubt NI will charge you extra for DVS control, once that too becomes available.

    However; as the S4 isn’t on the market yet the only comparable unit on the market today is the Xone:DX. which although can be mapped to Traktor wasn’t designed for that purpose.
    The biggest advantage the VMS4 has over both premium units is that it can be used as a dedicated stand alone mixer. The DX can run external devices but you still require a Laptop to hear anything.

    I don’t think we’re going see Joel Zimmermann rock up to a gig with a VMS4 but that doesn’t mean it isn’t or can’t be used by a professional DJ. I’m a professional DJ and I can see this product meeting a lot of my needs, my main concern though, is for the saving in money can I map it properly to Traktor. Or is the extra $600 outlay worth it to have a dedicated device, because it seems that in reality that’s where most of the money is going. The VMS4 makes a very good all rounder. Ean didn’t say the sound card was rubbish (which is what many here seem to think) he was pointing out that the premium brands are louder. Allen & Heath deliberately boosted the output on the DX by 3dB to overcome this hurdle. It makes the DX a bit ‘trigger happy’ so to speak and you have to be careful not to run into the red. If you’re a club this isn’t problem because nobody is going to let you loose with their sound system without going through a limiter. For many other DJ’s it means they really have to make sure their levels are not peaking, as most amps and speakers are not very forgiving.

    If your a turntablist then don’t use a MIDI controller to scratch, even with an S4. Most will still admit that scratching should still be done authentically for best results but can be done very convincingly using DVS.

    The end result.
    If you’re a scratch DJ the VMS4 is not for you.
    If you’re a Professional DJ and already own Traktor Pro or Scratch pro, then the VMS4 should at least be on your shopping list.
    If you a DJ and Serato doesn’t appeal to you and think that €1000 for the DX is a bit redundant then look at the VMS4.
    If you really want an S4 because you really like Traktor’s layout but just will not accept $1000 for a mixer with no XLR output then the VMS4 may end up being the best alternative on the market to date.

    (NOTE to Ean Golden: get the Main OUTPUT changed to XLR/RCA on the S4. Pro Mixers = XLR

  • http://www.proaudiostar.com/blog/blog Ghostdad

    I agree that with a decent mapping this could be capable. First impressions are tough when judging gear functionality. No piece of gear automatically makes you a better DJ. That takes time and practice and if this is what you decide to practice on I think you could perform some cool mixes on it. I think Ean’s on the money in that if you want a controller that isn’t as expensive as other 4 deck options this works but won’t outperform more expensive options. If they bundled it with a 4 deck version of Virtual DJ that would also serve customers better as well.

  • belabang

    I like the device as well =) I think it has great POTENTIAL, potential that needs to be fulfilled by decent mappings.. this should be the no.1 task for american audio right now! if customers are treated well, they will not regret having bought the vms4.

  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    i definitely have a hard time being neutral, because i like the device so much :)

    i hope it is obvious, that besides being a freelancer for different companies, i am a dj with an own opinion.

    p.s.: the mapping was meant to be very basic, therefore it is. it is also different to the mapping i used on the musikmesse in frankfurt. a more versatile and complex mapping is in the making, which is based on the mapping i made for the messe.

  • http://www.djtechtools.com Ean Golden

    I recently found out some additional important information in that vein. Elliot (Audio Innovate) who has been deeply defensive about this product, never disclosed the fact that he was involved in the design of it. I think we can all agree that is an important detail to include when defending a product against reviews.

  • belabang

    Hey guys,
    some thoughts from a vms4 user:

    1. It all really depends on the mapping
    The original mapping by freshfluke indeed quite frankly sucks, while providing a good base for first hands-on it doesnt really bring the unit to its fullest potential. I found a mapping for traktor scratch pro in the american audio forums which makes it feel much more like cdj400´s, with the rubber ring on you can pitch bend on the side and scratch with the top of the jogwheels. it can be found here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0B62YD6S There are two files in the .rar, one which uses the (much better sounding) internal eq of traktor.

    2.sound quality
    whereas we would probably all agree that sound quality is the no.1 criteria we should bear in mind that this product is made for people that cannot afford paying the 1000$ for the s4, which means that the applications for this unit will most likely be smaller events like birthdays, small bar partys, weddings and so on; situations in which the standards for sound quality are lower than usual. Apart from that it seems that the balanced xlr´s do sound better than the chinch outs. Adapters from xlr to chinch are availible and could solve the problem.

    3.it would be nice if there were less people from the companies who built the units and more who bought and use it. if the guy who wrote the review is helping to design the s4 then i would think that he shouldnt review this unit, if freshfluke on the other hand is touring for AA then it seems obvious that she´ll have a hard time being neutral too.
    greets from italy,
    Bela

  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    you’re right, “demo” would have been the appropriate word :)
    i linked the video because the vms is in use, not only talked/written about.

  • DJ BrainStormer

    That is not a review, there is no pros and cons. Its a music store who wants to sell units, I call this marketing.

  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    another review here:

  • http://www.innofader.com Elliot Marx / Audio Innovate

    @Sanje: Apparently a few customers are having issues with mic overload, but they can easily be resolved with a MIC gain reducer.

  • Paddy

    [quote comment="36685"]Another entry

    http://www.4midiloop.com//quote

    coming from faderfox peeps won’t be very cheap but quite intresting. much better product than the prototype shown earlier http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2010/02/02/4midiloop-traktor-pro-dj-controller/

  • Rick_52

    My opinion completely joins the review. However, using it ONLY as a midi controller with a self-finely tuned mapping for Virtual DJ and (high quality) USB speakers, I really get more than the bang for the buck.

  • ronnysa
  • Sanje

    Can anyone comment on the mic ports? For those who own the product, there has been some negative commentary that they aren’t very good. Can someone share their experience? Since I’m a wedding dj the mics are pretty important, and since this product targets that market I would think the mics have to be good, but that’s not what I’m hearing.

  • http://www.innofader.com Elliot Marx / Audio Innovate

    @Mike: As I said above “If you want to check for channel bleed you use a line level audio on one channel and check the bleed to another channel set for phono level.”

    This is Ean’s review. It’s up to him to comment on this issue. He already clarified in his comments that some people found this issue on production units, not beta units, and he didn’t experience this issue himself.

  • ronnysa

    [quote comment="36605"]

    i was wondering why the s4 was mentioned in the review at all, the only thing they have in common is that both have 4-channels.[/quote]
    s.

    i think theres gonna be some more 4 channel controllers in the futurte >> look at denon e.g

    ATM, like u say, the only one on sale is the vms4 –

    So lets wait to compare it with others till the others are on da road ! and please…in the same price range

  • Mike

    @Elliot

    “We did many improvements along the way so that’s why I think it should be more clear to the user what was fixed and what issues still exist.”

    Surely with your level of involvement in this product this is your oportunity to clarify exactly which units where effected by bleed? I dont think it is common for a manufacturer to provide reviewers with information regarding early defects in a released product….

  • http://www.myspace.com/tonycagnoni TonyCagnoni
  • http://www.myspace.com/tonycagnoni TonyCagnoni

    Boys.
    I bought vms4,
    I believe that ean s4 is not defending.
    vms4 is a good product for that price,
    but we can not talk to a professional product,
    when touching the knobs
    feels that is not a professional controller.
    and the sound quality is not comparable to the sound card of s4
    since it has the same quality of audio4dj.
    if you want to play with 4decks.
    then buy it
    but I would not recommend it
    for big clubs.
    I bought vms4 to familiarize yourself with 4 decks:
    MIDILOG 1 for loops(deck C)
    MIDILOG 2/3 for songs (decks A/C)
    MIDILOG 4 four Native Instrument Maschine.
    in November vms4 sell immediately and buy s4.
    Sorry for my english
    Tony Cagnoni

  • dj ronnin

    I have only one question about it,
    the crossfader work as midi, or not?
    Its very important, because i need to use it with audiodj4, and i want internal crossfader, for use internal mixing.

    Any have the answer?

    thanks

  • Gay Zombie

    Just to add to Elliot’s comments
    (and, I’m staying out of the bias argument, as I am taking you at your word. I am just adding my thoughts ONLY.)

    1.The fact that it is officially Innofader ready is a big deal. The VMS4 is (for now) the only product on the market that I know of that actually mentions the Innofader in the manual as an officially sanctioned replacement fader, without fear of voiding your warranty.

    2.MIDI can actually perform almost as well as HID for scratching within Traktor. The MIDI buffer in Traktor is kind of fineky-too much or too little data can have a pretty serious effect. Their buffer gets blown really easy for instance. If you compare the CDJ2000 in MIDI and HID mode (by mapping the pitch and scratch messages manually to the wheel in MIDI mode), the wheel performs 85% as good in MIDI mode as HID mode. NI is a pleasure to work with, and is really good at providing info as to what they expect to hardware developers. As such, with proper firmware tweaking to send what Traktor actually wants, you can get really tight response. I wouldn’t be surprised if you tweaked the output of your VCI-100 firmware you could get better response. The alpha NS7 mapping also is, from what I hear, pure MIDI, and there is no drift. HID is great, but it is not the end all be all. The main advantage is that you can make sure that the software and hardware are 100% in sync as far as what the hardware sends and what the software gets. Beyond that though, with enough work you can get seriously tight response with MIDI.

    3.To add to the fader argument, taper is far more important than you give it credit for. Fun test-take a Vestax PMC-05pro (II&III) and use an original Alps, a PCV, an Alpha (short or long body, doesn’t matter) and a P&G. The Alps and PCV will have pretty similar response (though the Alps will have a slightly quicker lag), the Alpha will have a slightly longer lag time, and the P&G will have both a longer lag time than all of them AND actually add to the fader decay time. I own them all, and have done this test. What a manufacturer lists their taper as and what they actually produce are sadly far different things. The beauty of the Innofader is that the taper is perfect for scratching, and you can set the lag time as well. And, when you consider that the VMS4&Innofader combo is still far less expensive than an S4, and less than your custom VCI-100&Audio2, the deal is pretty darn compelling.

  • http://www.innofader.com Elliot Marx / Audio Innovate

    Hello Ean,

    It’s clear you worked hard on the review. Again what I said is “stating facts that are just wrong or confusing, or leaving out key facts” so yes 1 fact you cleared up, and the other that were confusing or left out. But thanks for taking the opportunity for a respectful response and some good dialogue follow-up on the review.

    “Fact: If a sound card that is low in output volume must be corrected with a boost in gain- this will result in a raising of the noise floor. I personally experienced a sound quality difference when compared to the Audio 4. this is a subjective analysis and can not be tested.”

    Yes but what probably happened is you raised the noise floor of your sound system. If you use a higher end sound system you won’t hear any difference between a lower output and higher output sound card with the same Signal to Noise ratio. Anyways the point is that everyone uses different sound systems, and given a certain Signal to Noise ratio, a higher sound card output will improve the sound quality on some audio setups.

    “Fact: The Cross Fader does not work well at all and has a 1/4 ” action delay in BOTH midi and Audio modes! If you send us an inno-fader and that solves the problem then we will gladly update the review. However, I cant see how the problem would be solved by a fader swap when all faders perform the same function: Scanning between 0 and +5 Volts.”

    Oh no not at all. Faders have such a tremendous variety of curves which will affect how they respond at the endpoints. They are not all 0 to 5 volts linear output! The fader inside the mixer has a B3 curve with a strong taper at the ends. The standard Innofader curve is a B type curve so it will have a much clearer cut at the ends. You can try this right away with a Vestax PCV fader or Pro X Fade (wiring is the same) and you’ll see what I’m saying.

    With the original fader I measured a 4mm dead space on the cut-in and 3mm dead space on the cut-out. So to be fair it’s a bit lower than 1/4″… When I tested using a standard B-type fader with no taper (same one used for the AEM-100i channel faders) this went from 2.5mm cut-in and 2mm cut-out. With the Innofader I could tweak this down to virtually no dead space and a full on-off cut with the curve set to the 12:30 position.

    “Fact: There was a noticeable lag in Scratching using high-resolution midi messages (in turbo mode too) . This is reproducible in Traktor and Virtual Dj and is on par with my experience in using MIDI as a scratching control. There has only been one controller that comes close to the accuracy and feel of Serato or Traktor scratch and that is the Ns7. They achieved this with a motorized platter and a direct high resolution HID connection.”

    Ok fair enough. The issue is really more of a MIDI driver issue than an encoder accuracy issue.

    “Fact: Non Beta users experienced channel bleed, see comments, I personally did not. This was clearly stated in the article.”

    What you stated in the article was “There are some reports on the web of analog mixer bleed between channels. I personally did not encounter this issue but it has been a problem for some early adopters.”

    It’s confusing here whether the problem was on beta units (“early adopters”) or on actual production units. If you want to check for channel bleed you use a line level audio on one channel and check the bleed to another channel set for phono level. We did many improvements along the way so that’s why I think it should be more clear to the user what was fixed and what issues still exist.

    “Fact: Lots of dj products out there can have their faders swapped out with inno-faders. it was not intentionally excluded as some sort of ploy against the controller- just deemed to not be that important when there was a lot of other material to cover. We probably should have mentioned however that the cross fader is hot-swappable (not a typical feature for a controller)”

    So far the only MIDI controllers that are Innofader compatible are the NS7 and the VMS4. So even though lots of DJ mixers are Innofader compatible, not many MIDI controllers are.

    I would recommend against hot-swapping an Innofader on anything with the power still connected! Turn off the power first! The point would be showing what product accomodations were made to fit the Innofader and make it easy to install.

  • James Garcia

    Hey Ean I own both traktor and virtual dj, and i actually prefer virtual dj. I hav a two denon 3700′ a vci-100 used only as midi controller, jog wheels r not used for scratching and the fader controls video,then i use an efx 1000 setup with a xone 2 02 mixer and an audio 8 dj, honestly i prefer virtual dj over traktor, traktor is the shit, but the new version of virtual dj is clean etc and well i prefer it The sample bank as u mentioned isnt perfect but if u drop the sample at the right time it will sync to the beat.. i hav over 35 effects on virtual dj that i downloaded from the site and i don’t use most of them, efx 1000 does that, but all I think is yall need to show virtual dj some more love. Traktor is nice, but i feel yall don’t give virtual dj a chance.. this controller is cool, it will b nice with the next version of virtual dj with 4/6 decks, and it is good for the mobile dj’s/wedding dj’s…. ripping it up in the club with this is probly a no no lol, fact that it ships with virtual dj is w/e whoever uses the le versions of software is usually a beginner

  • Leishu

    Good review, Ean. Very even handed.

    I will provide some info from my own point of view here, just in case. I bought a VMS4 on Tuesday, setting it up on my DJing computer, which happens to be a Mac, with Virtual DJ Pro (all up to date).

    I was surprised, at the first of my two weekly venue gigs on Wednesday, to find that, at club volume, it was actually outperforming our usual mixer, providing superior sound quality (the other mixer frequently distorted at high volumes) for both myself, in place of my sound card, and my partners, with their mixer patched through it.

    On Friday, my second weekly gig, there was a small issue with volumes, but it turned out that the issue was directly caused by my brain fart, as I had VDJ’s sound card setup configured to use mono channels. Yay for me?

    Either way, I’m very, very happy with the product. Perhaps what we’re looking at here is inconsistent manufacturing standards, where some units, like mine, are performing EXTREMELY well and others are not.

  • DJ BrainStormer

    C’mon people stop the hate and bitchin. S4 & VMS4 are both 4-channel controllers.

    From the beginning the problem is with AA. They never tried to up the ante vs. pro market, maybe because they are quite content to let the big brands on top and milk the cheap market. The idea and concept of the VMS4 is appealing and a lot of people were waiting in line (pro users also). It didn’t take long for the pro market to test the unit and find big flaws.

    The thing is Ean is a pro DJ and he wouldn’t take this unit out to mix on a big gig unless it would be totally redesigned by him. That’s how pro Ean is, and to this I say hats off.

    I’m sure if the unit would have been on par with Ean standards he would have put on a different review.

  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    i dont get why the vms is compared to the s4 anyways – they’re in a totally different market e.g. price-wise. then the s4 is tailor-made for traktor, where the vms is more open to all software. and there are a few more differentiators…

    i was wondering why the s4 was mentioned in the review at all, the only thing they have in common is that both have 4-channels.

  • http://www.eangolden.com Ean Golden

    I seriously dont get why pointing out obvious flaws is biased and deluding. Thats the entire point of a review. We spend 2 days finding flaws so you dont have to spend $500 and then discover them later! The standard version of Virtual Dj may be much better but the version that comes with this controller is really sub par. Seriously- try it out for yourself.

    There is no question that the S4 is going to be a better piece of hardware and software. Thats also why its twice the price! The only question here is- what do you get for $500? Is it really a better value? Can those who want to spend less money rely on this controller? We provide the facts and then you decide yourself.

  • Deluding?, yes

    I am a Virtual DJ user. I too find the review deluding and biased.
    The Ean agenda is not at all hidden. He is prohibiting users from trying VMS4/VirtualDJ and building the hype for Traktor S4 that is not out yet. May be, Ean is correct, if his intention is warning his fanbase to wait for a better solution (S4).
    Whatever may be the case… a video review with Virtual DJ would be great, because the controller is built for it, just like VCI300 for Itch.

  • http://www.eangolden.com Ean Golden

    @WikKid,

    We all appreciate your honest feedback. While I genuinely feel that I am the most qualified person to do this review- its understandable why you would find it hard for me to be totally objective. In the future, we can have other writers do reviews of products like this to avoid any possible confusion.

    @ Elliot from Inno-Fader:
    _
    Thanks for pointing out an technical error in the article. We actaully stated that the Mouse pad works as MIDI later on in the review after talking to American Audio and but the section you are quoting failed to get updated. That mistake has been fixed.
    ___

    Aside from one single technical error, there are no factual errors in the article.

    _
    Fact: If a sound card that is low in output volume must be corrected with a boost in gain- this will result in a raising of the noise floor. I personally experienced a sound quality difference when compared to the Audio 4. this is a subjective analysis and can not be tested.
    _
    Fact: The Cross Fader does not work well at all and has a 1/4 ” action delay in BOTH midi and Audio modes! If you send us an inno-fader and that solves the problem then we will gladly update the review. However, I cant see how the problem would be solved by a fader swap when all faders perform the same function: Scanning between 0 and +5 Volts.
    _
    Fact: There was a noticeable lag in Scratching using high-resolution midi messages (in turbo mode too) . This is reproducible in Traktor and Virtual Dj and is on par with my experience in using MIDI as a scratching control. There has only been one controller that comes close to the accuracy and feel of Serato or Traktor scratch and that is the Ns7. They achieved this with a motorized platter and a direct high resolution HID connection.
    _
    Fact: Non Beta users experienced channel bleed, see comments, I personally did not. This was clearly stated in the article.

    _
    Fact: Lots of dj products out there can have their faders swapped out with inno-faders. it was not intentionally excluded as some sort of ploy against the controller- just deemed to not be that important when there was a lot of other material to cover. We probably should have mentioned however that the cross fader is hot-swappable (not a typical feature for a controller)

    I really worked hard on this review. Just to prove it- I will create a video that factually demonstrates with irrefutable proof the points above and post it on our youtube account.

  • http://www.innofader.com Elliot Marx / Audio Innovate

    It’s ok to be biased, but I’d say stating facts that are just wrong or confusing, or leaving out key facts, raises serious doubts about the credibility of the review.

    “Mouse Pad: …it also won’t do MIDI; HID only for now”

    Use the SHIFT key to switch from MIDI to HID
    “There are some reports on the web of analog mixer bleed between channels. I personally did not encounter this issue but it has been a problem for some early adopters.”

    What does testing on beta units have to do with your tests of an actual production unit? Why should anybody buying a production unit be concerned with issues that were resolved before the product hit the market?

    I’m going to hold your noise tests suspect. Is there any physical measurement that you have done of S/N ratio or frequency response rather than a subjective test which is affected by the sound system you are using? Why are many others saying the sound is very clean?

    “Don’t buy this unit, or almost any controller for that matter, if you expect to do any serious scratching. The accuracy of the MIDI just does not support it.”

    The VMS4 wheel has 2000 points of resolution per rotation on the scratch wheel. In addition, you can set the MIDI for turbo mode with updates every 1msec instead of the default 10msec. If you go by resolution per inch:

    VMS4: 2000 points / 4″ = 500 points per inch
    Serato: 4000 points / 13″ ~= 308 points per inch
    Traktor: 8000 points / 13″ ~= 615 points per inch

    that puts the resolution between Serato and Traktor vinyl.

    Is 1msec MIDIdelay a basis for being “inaccurate”?

    Is it really accuracy that’s the issue, or other factors like computer MIDI drivers, DJ software, weighting vs. vinyl, etc.?

    What is the statement “comparable to the VCI-100″ based on? Did you try turbo mode? On what basis is it comparable?

    With all of your criticism of the stock crossfader, oops why no mention that the VMS4 is Innofader compatible? Probably even compatible with other upgrade faders too with some effort? Was that intentionally omitted? I’m especially surprised with all of the work you’ve done on fitting the PXF in the VCI-100 that you’d miss this.

    Also how about pre/post EQ mode? Not a word on this either. There are a few pages in the manual dedicated to this.

    Ean – I’ve heard from you directly and heard from others in the industry about your stature in the industry. I see many admire you for your work helping DJs set up and map various controllers, and others are ganging up on you for your agenda. But please at the very least get the info straight. Read the manual. You got the unit from insiders so if something doesn’t seem right you can easily ask right?

  • wikkid1

    Ean, i also had a similar thought as the person who posted the comment that you quote. my thought was that you helped design the s4, it is to be expected that you will be biased, based on that single fact. i know that if i designed a controller then i would consider it the best thing since the wheel, i mean, how could something i design not be perfect or near perfect in my own opinion?

    another point is that the s4 is not out yet, so any comparisons to it are totally pointless, its possible that it will still change from the s4 that we seen in videos. but even if it doesnt, a controller that is not available should be treated as if it doesnt exist. when the s4 is out, and we all can get our hands on it and see if the faders are hi-res or not etc, thats when it could be used as a comparison.

    anyway thats how i feel, im not sure if the “EANgenda” person is speaking of this or something else. i know that if i was in your place i would either keep the s4 completely out of my reviews for now, or id just not do any reviews. like i said thats my personal view, but i know that for the time being ill be taking any review from Ean with a large grain of salt… like alaska sized.

  • http://www.eangolden.com Ean Golden

    [quote comment="36491"]
    Do you also see a huge BIAS and hidden EANgenda?
    Do you also wish to get the old EAN and Djtechtools back?
    [/quote]

    Just wondering if you could expand on this (in a non-anonymous fashion) and explain the difference between the old and techtools. I really tried hard to give this unit a fair and balanced review. There are a handful of positives and a few negatives- that is just the reality of any product. The s4 is not perfect either- and we have no problems pointing out flaws in all dj gear evaluated here.

  • Abyrne7

    [quote comment="36491"]This review and “MIDI Enabled DJ Mixers” leave me with a mixed feeling about DJTECHTOOLS.
    Do you also have a mixed feeling about this review?
    Do you also see a huge BIAS and hidden EANgenda?
    Do you also suspect a very opinionated POV?
    Deluding? Premature?

    Do you also wish to get the old EAN and Djtechtools back?
    If you too do, post your comments and nip this attitude in the bud. If not just deride or ignore my comment.[/quote]

    An opinion is an opinion dude? Who cares, if you like the controller than more power to you.

  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    [quote comment="36475"][quote post="7724"]huh? of course you can connect your turntables and of course you can use it with traktor scratch… i’m using it most of the time this way[/quote]

    DVS per VMS4 using Traktor Scratch?

    Not real. Perhaps, if you connected an Audio 4/8 DJ at the same time (dongle). Or your version is cracked ?![/quote]

    lol, of course with the audio 4/8 as sound card!
    but you can use the vms mixer part and the midi controls as normal… that’s the difference to other midi mixers that just cant do this, because they’re not hybrids ;)

  • DJ BrainStormer

    Great review.

    It just confirms my fears about the VMS4. It’s sad because I would have liked to buy the new AA controller. The main reason is quality. They could have made a killer controller by raising the price to 750 USD by using a better material for knobs instead of soft rubber and by including a pro sound card with a low THD instead of the one they decided to put into this unit. I wasn’t convinced about the jog wheel either.

    Transportability is also a big factor for me, I want to get rid of my NS7 because its 75lb, when I compare the S4 (7.5lb) with the VMS4 (20lb), the clear winner is the S4.

    VMS4 = Beginner gear
    S4/DX = Pro gear

  • DJ Essential

    My question is if the low audio problem is a issue with the hardware or the firmware?

  • Right analysis, wrong conclusion?

    This review and “MIDI Enabled DJ Mixers” leave me with a mixed feeling about DJTECHTOOLS.
    Do you also have a mixed feeling about this review?
    Do you also see a huge BIAS and hidden EANgenda?
    Do you also suspect a very opinionated POV?
    Deluding? Premature?

    Do you also wish to get the old EAN and Djtechtools back?
    If you too do, post your comments and nip this attitude in the bud. If not just deride or ignore my comment.

  • Sanje

    @ EanGolden
    So what you’re sayin’ is that the MC6000 is a “pass” in these regards because it comes with VirtualDJ in the U.S. and Traktor elsewhere. No “direct” connection?

  • http://www.djtechtools.com Ean Golden

    The only way to get CDJ quality scratching out of a controller is to have a direct connection from the Software to Hardware

    VCi-300 + Itch or s4 + traktor

    standard midi connected to random software just wont cut the mustard.

  • Sanje

    @ dj johnny aftershock
    Lookin’ for advice here. I need a midi/mixer with analog mic ports, good sound (sound card), and decent scratch. I thought this was the piece for me but it just doesn’t seem to cut it considering the reviews here. If my price range was $1,000, would the S4 coming out in the winter really be my best bet?

  • http://www.aftreshockent.com dj johnny aftershock

    [quote comment="36467"]sh*tty jog wheels and crossfader lag = FAIL

    so disappointing…I had high hopes for the vms4.

    why can’t someone just make a simple portable midi controller that has an (accurate/intuitive) Pioneer CDJ-style of jog wheel and decent faders BEFORE they try to get all “innovative”?

    How about someone handle the basics first?

    It seems to me that most of these products are not designed and tested by working DJs…or else at some point someone would have said, “Hey guys, let’s make the jog wheels and crossfader good before we pile on on all this extra sh*t”[/quote]

    i totally agree with you.
    the only midi controller that stepped up the scratching was the VCI-300, but if fell way too short of other simple thing like, FX…..

  • S

    [quote post="7724"]huh? of course you can connect your turntables and of course you can use it with traktor scratch… i’m using it most of the time this way[/quote]

    DVS per VMS4 using Traktor Scratch?

    Not real. Perhaps, if you connected an Audio 4/8 DJ at the same time (dongle). Or your version is cracked ?!

  • DJ big mark

    Good review just as expected. I don’t understand why companies put out shitty products without extensive testing first. Buying these products is like gambling with your hard earned money, I guess you get what you pay for as the saying goes.

  • http://www.cooloutmusic.com COOLOUT

    sh*tty jog wheels and crossfader lag = FAIL

    so disappointing…I had high hopes for the vms4.

    why can’t someone just make a simple portable midi controller that has an (accurate/intuitive) Pioneer CDJ-style of jog wheel and decent faders BEFORE they try to get all “innovative”?

    How about someone handle the basics first?

    It seems to me that most of these products are not designed and tested by working DJs…or else at some point someone would have said, “Hey guys, let’s make the jog wheels and crossfader good before we pile on on all this extra sh*t”

  • ronnysa

    [quote comment="36464"][quote comment="36451"]

    so yeah, simply the best value in this price range. thats what the review should’ve concentrated on, instead of promoting the s4 which isnt even out yet.[/quote]

    Totally Agree…
    we are not forced to use the internal soundcard of the Vms4….vci doesn’t have one….so it’s the same vci price but with 2 more decks controls !!
    The Vms4 just needs a good external soundcard….simply add an audio 2 dj and you will have a great 4 decks controller & cheaper than the s4[/quote]

    You gotta use VMS4 in external mode for 4 decks (works pretty cool). U gotta check out what that means to an A2DJ -Combo

  • Abyrne7

    Companies need to start focussing making their controllers on functionality AND QUALITY or digital DJ’ing will continue to be looked down upon by professionals…

  • ChRiS

    [quote comment="36451"]
    this is exactly why i dont like the way this review was done. normally you guys end with pretty fair reviews. this time it almost feels like Ean has something against this particular controller. there is only one real thing that can be considered a serious minus and thats the complaint about vms’s volume. and if you do find fault with it, buying an external sound interface will still come out to the same price as vci100(not special edition)+interface, if you want the custom vci100 add another $350.

    so yeah, simply the best value in this price range. thats what the review should’ve concentrated on, instead of promoting the s4 which isnt even out yet.[/quote]

    Totally Agree…
    we are not forced to use the internal soundcard of the Vms4….vci doesn’t have one….so it’s the same vci price but with 2 more decks controls !!
    The Vms4 just needs a good external soundcard….simply add an audio 2 dj and you will have a great 4 decks controller & cheaper than the s4

  • ronnysa

    [quote comment="36418"]

    however, my main PLUS for the vms is the compatibility and versatility. in one moment, you use it as normal midi controller. in the next, you use it as mixer for TSP. connect any other DVS to it and share the mixer part with a fellow DJ etc pp. absolutely outweighs – at least for me – minor weaknesses.[/quote]

    I can only say that she is absolutely right. For quite 400 Bucks this unit is a thing for unique types of DJs, not only for electronic music. I tried it know for a few weeks, an i cannot complain about what u get for your money. Of course , someone may always want smarter pots, better encoders, smoother faders and 5.way toch-sensitive platters… but not anyone needs that and not anyone is willing to pay 1000+ coins

  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    [quote comment="36440"]and I thought I could connect my technics and use my Traktor controll Vynils with it. False. No use! I’ve tryed everything.[/quote]
    huh? of course you can connect your turntables and of course you can use it with traktor scratch… i’m using it most of the time this way. so what were your problems?

  • ronnysa

    I found a styleflip faceplate for download for a traktor 4Deck-Session here.

    http://www.bonedo.de/test/dj-pa/american-audio-vms4/praxis/seite-7/index.html?bereich=dj_pa&type=test

    I mapped that so far, but still got some probs with the LEDs

    http://digijammers.com/map/VMS4AC.7z
    http://digijammers.com/map/VMS4BD.7z

  • http://www.firestormfilms.com.au josh@firestorm

    [quote comment="36402"]nice review but i think the 7th picture is actually a rane ttm 57 SL … i can tell from the kill knob led’s that look like skulls[/quote]

    they were running the vms4 through a mixer on one channel and an audio 4 on another channel to test the sound quality.. the picture shows the vms4 on the left channel requiring more gain to match the output of the right channel with the audio 4 running through it.

  • jfhlka

    looks a lot better than the s4, at least the jog wheels are where they’re supposed to

  • joe

    Im a bedroom dj and right now im happy with my $99 hercules mp3 e2 and korg nanopad(for cue points) and i found it a nice (CHEAP!!) way to get into djing and i suggest this instead of spending 500 that most teenagers dont have

  • piopro

    [quote comment="36451"][quote comment="36444"]Great review, this was going to be one of my contenders for replacing my VCI-100. I don’t think I’ll be bothering now.[/quote]

    this is exactly why i dont like the way this review was done. normally you guys end with pretty fair reviews. this time it almost feels like Ean has something against this particular controller. there is only one real thing that can be considered a serious minus and thats the complaint about vms’s volume. and if you do find fault with it, buying an external sound interface will still come out to the same price as vci100(not special edition)+interface, if you want the custom vci100 add another $350.

    so yeah, simply the best value in this price range. thats what the review should’ve concentrated on, instead of promoting the s4 which isnt even out yet.[/quote]

    could we not mod it like a vci with 3 instead of 4 cade buttons at ther bottom?

  • piopro

    [quote comment="36398"]Thanks for the review, Ean! I’ve been curious about this unit because the layout seems ideal for TPro, but was skeptical American Audio would come out with anything approaching decent audio quality.

    Is it possible to use this purely as a MIDI controller with an external soundcard? Because even at that price point it’s not a bad option at half the S4 price if it’s a reliable MIDI unit.[/quote]
    this is my thought exactly I get to check this out @ the BPM show in the UK and we will see how good it is but for me the jury is still out…

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="36444"]Great review, this was going to be one of my contenders for replacing my VCI-100. I don’t think I’ll be bothering now.[/quote]

    this is exactly why i dont like the way this review was done. normally you guys end with pretty fair reviews. this time it almost feels like Ean has something against this particular controller. there is only one real thing that can be considered a serious minus and thats the complaint about vms’s volume. and if you do find fault with it, buying an external sound interface will still come out to the same price as vci100(not special edition)+interface, if you want the custom vci100 add another $350.

    so yeah, simply the best value in this price range. thats what the review should’ve concentrated on, instead of promoting the s4 which isnt even out yet.

  • Brett

    How did this forum get so far away from the products we bought from them?

  • piopro

    if the sound is so thin out of this unit could you use the smart mixing with ableton’s fx or respective plugin to make the sound warmer?

  • http://lovebump.com Lovebump

    Great review, this was going to be one of my contenders for replacing my VCI-100. I don’t think I’ll be bothering now.
    Cheers.

  • duerr

    [quote comment="36441"][quote comment="36408"]It’s sad that if you want decent sound you have to pay a thousand for it.[/quote]

    +1[/quote]

    external audio interface is always an option.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="36408"]It’s sad that if you want decent sound you have to pay a thousand for it.[/quote]

    +1

  • http://www.myspace.com/fluxtronik1 FLuxtronik

    Hi! Just to say: Great review guys! But I have to hay I’m a bit dissapointed on this piece! I’ve bougth one as soon it arrived to Spain, regardles of any information about it, just knowing the facts prior to its launch, and I thought I could connect my technics and use my Traktor controll Vynils with it. False. No use! I’ve tryed everything. As for the sound… I’ve got to try it in the club, but to say the truth… I’m a bit scared! Think I’m going to keep the tests at home, and tweek Freshfluke’s mapping! But if you guys help on with a better mapping… Perfect! Its not the perfect piece of equipment, but it serves its purpose, and to say the truth… I’m having funn with it so far.
    Keep up the good work!! Big salute from Spain!!

  • Sanje

    New to the biz and plan to venture off on my own. I’m basically a wedding dj and I’m looking for a midi/mixer. I want the piece that I buy to do it all. I was pretty much locked on the vms4 but after the negatives here I’m having my doubts. For those leaving possitive reviews Freshfluke, wikkid1, johnny aftershock, how are the mics, are they as bad as I’m hearing? And what is your experience with sound quality?

  • wikkid1

    this looks like a perfect controller for that price range. the negatives this article talks about are kinda weak imo, except the sound quality issue, that could be important. but then again, just buy yourself one of em NI interfaces and youll still save money over the s4. using the lack of available midi mapping as a negative is ridiculous, the one biggest benefit of midi is the fact that is can be mapped any way i like it. so even if it did come with a mapping most people who are serious about mixing will either scrap it alltogether and make their own, or at the very least tweak it to suit their needs.

    so yeah, if youre looking for a straight out of the box all in one solution invest into CDJs, controllers are made to be tweaked, there is no perfect mapping(only perfect mapping for YOU.)

    i think this piece should NOT be compared to the s4 simply because its 1/2 s4′s price. compare it to controllers in similar price range, and youll quickly find that there arent many, if any, alternatives for this piece.

  • http://myspace.com/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    @davendiva:

    i’m doing some freelance jobs for ADJ, such as presenting the vms on the musikmesse, translating manuals e.a.

    but using the vms during my china trip was my choice and wish. :)

  • JesC

    I told you guys ever since NAMM that this unit didnt feel very solid and now that its out. Everyone that jumped on the unit right away is have “minor/major” problems. Only a few have had it running great. Good luck with the firmware update on a mac. Ive been trying to help a friend out for this since the day it came out. RTFM = no mac support only PC.

    [quote comment="36428"]
    im having fun with the unit, and from what i know, patches are being made available to take care of any earlier problems the unit had, you can find it on their website, as for the customer support, if you are trying to go on a AA chatroom/forum, No guys, you not gonna get much help there, but thats not what its setup for anyhow. Pick up a phone and simply “Call” into customer support, they are well versed on getting you thru the set up stage and help you with any problems, i found them to be quite knowledgeable when i needed help.
    i have used the vms4 and have been streaming with it live for 5 weeks now, with pure video mixing, check it out at: ustream.tv/channel/aftashok1200
    cheers!
    JA[/quote]

    ^ Dont get me started on this…it looks like he’s working for AA. No disrespect Johnny Aftershock.

  • SherpaPsy

    I paid almost that much for my soundcard (FireStudio Mobile) – I want Pro gear, and this doesn’t sound terribly Pro to me, but on the other hand a really good all in one solution for someone getting started or wanting to switch to digital.

  • Don Paco

    From the looks of the video jog wheels on s4 look a little small for scratching…

  • http://www.aftreshockent.com dj johnny aftershock

    hey guys, i’ve used the unit, had it a few weeks before it even hit the UK, thanks to the AA guys, and in my honest opinion as a mobile dj, this unit just took my business to another level.
    for one, now i can do video mixing and offer that service to my clients (great for sweet 16s, clubs, bars, bowling alleys, 21&over birthdays parties, ect.) with the use of Virtual DJ, two, i can now also offer karaoke to my clients as well, thanks to VDJ…
    i would suggest, if you havnt already, to upgrade to VDJ pro, so you get to config the vms4 the way you want it,
    is it good for scratching?? NO! but i have not tried to drop an InnoFader into the unit yet, (yes it is innofader friendly) that might change things up a bit as far as getting some nice scratches out of the unit.
    2 microphone inputs means not having to lug around my mackie vlz mixer with me, now i can hook in my backup ipod on one channel, my cd/mp3 denon deck on another channel, as back up, and do 2 lines of Midi control with VDJ. 2 mic inputs- i used a corded shure mic with no problems, (when i go wireless, it needs to be tweaked out to get to that sweet spot)
    yes the sound could be better, but for the price tag, i’ll just crank up the powered speakers a bit more, (they sound great if you use a DBXdrive rack)
    im having fun with the unit, and from what i know, patches are being made available to take care of any earlier problems the unit had, you can find it on their website, as for the customer support, if you are trying to go on a AA chatroom/forum, No guys, you not gonna get much help there, but thats not what its setup for anyhow. Pick up a phone and simply “Call” into customer support, they are well versed on getting you thru the set up stage and help you with any problems, i found them to be quite knowledgeable when i needed help.
    i have used the vms4 and have been streaming with it live for 5 weeks now, with pure video mixing, check it out at: ustream.tv/channel/aftashok1200
    cheers!
    JA

    • DJ ICE

      KUDOS A LITTLE NICKS BUT CAN DEAL WITH IT SUND QUALITY HAVE NO PROBLEM THE VJPRO EVEN READS MY SERATO CRATES FAR AS SCRATCHING IT’S DECENT ENOUGH TO DO THE JOB GOT TO TWEAK THE UNIT BUT OVERALL LOVE THIS UNIT FOR THE PRICE AS FAR AS COMPARING TO DENONS 6000 THAT UNIT HAVE SOME ISSUES LOVE MY VMS4

  • Meowmix

    I’ll be waiting for a comparison with the Denon DN-HC6000 before i decide on upgrading.
    3 months is a long time though.

  • Tony C

    Nice review,sound like something that you wouldnt want to touch with a barge pole!
    Over here in the UK loads and loads of djs use virtual DJ and I cant quite understand why!
    Does anyone here rate virtual dj software? would be interested to here how you compare it to traktor pro!
    Cheers

  • davendiva

    I was going to get one of these but changed my mind just before it was going to be sent, instead I got a reloop DJ2 and audio 2 dj. i’m glad i did because sound quality is one of the most important things. Also the jogs are ment to be legendary according to AA but they are slightly off centre and need a rubberband stuck on them to work properly. By the way, does DJ freshfluke work with AA?

  • http://www.d-jam.com D-Jam

    Great review. I especially liked that it wasn’t some snobby standpoint I’ve seen others make on other sites. The ones where they act like if it’s not their choices in gear, then it’s all crap.

    I think American DJ is competing, but not trying to go after the market of people who would get the S4, VCI-300, or even the A&H controller. They’re just catering to their own market.

    I would probably tell bedroom and hobbyist DJs who are starting out on a budget to give it a go, but forewarn they might want to upgrade if they want to get into regular DJ work.

  • http://www.proaudiostar.com/blog/blog Ghostdad

    Good review. We just shot a video on this thing for ProAudioStar.

    I think if people get behind this thing and really fine tune the mapping it could be very capable with Traktor or Virtual DJ Pro but it’s going to take some time and tweaks to the mapping so if you’re in to fine tuning your controller experience this won’t scare you.

    Concerning Virtual DJ I was actually pretty impressed on what even the LE version offered. I did some more research and wrote this article. Nothing new for Virtual DJ users here but here’s my take on it:

    http://www.proaudiostar.com/whats-up-with-virtual-dj

  • http://www.myspace.com/djtonyok DJ Tony OKay

    Hey DJTT Can you guy please review the new Denon controller that comes out in November 2010? It looks promising http://www.denondj.com/DN-MC6000-P125.aspx#

  • DJN

    Wish they had this last year – I settled on a Hercules Steel for $230 This was closer to what I was looking for with outputs and a hybrid analog mixer… A little bigger than a portable unit, the steel fits nicely in the laptop bag with a 15″ Macbook and cables and a few hard drives…
    It’s good to see more product offerings from manufacturers that aren’t either too cheap or to expensive for a change. Great review!

  • Paddy

    yep, exactly what i was expecting from american audio.

    guys, remember the s4 targets mid-high range djs, not so much beginers, hence the price tag. they didn’t want to make a cheap controller, but a good one.

  • http://myspace.om/freshfluke dj freshfluke

    actually, i made 2 mappings, one for TP, one for TSP. did you use the right one?

    anyways, both were meant to be very basic.
    advanced mappings (1x TP and 1x TSP) will follow soon, but i was away 2 weeks DJing in china. with the vms, btw, which didnt let me down at all ;)

    i was a bit nervous in mix club, beijing, beforehand, since this club is known to be very, very loud and the mixer IS indeed pretty soft, but: all went very well, crowd was going crazy and indeed it’s the loudest club i’ve ever seen so far. i’d say, if i can use it in that environment in front of 4000 ppl, everybody can. or?

    however, my main PLUS for the vms is the compatibility and versatility. in one moment, you use it as normal midi controller. in the next, you use it as mixer for TSP. connect any other DVS to it and share the mixer part with a fellow DJ etc pp. absolutely outweighs – at least for me – minor weaknesses.

  • Tyler T

    Sound-card quality is too low… If you create a mapping do it with another 4-deck controller without a sound-card… Sound-cards hike prices too much and often result in poor quality… Keeping the card separate is a good thing in my opinion.

  • duerr

    yeah seemed too good to be true from the outset, but looks like a fun toy for noodling around or for beginner’s interested in getting their feet wet with djing.

    very comprehensive article, thank you.

  • Yul

    A great mapping won’t change the overall quality of the product or the soundcard issues. Nor the customer service handling issues I’m afraid.

  • ChRiS

    I think the VMS4 can be a killer controller if it has a good mapping for traktor pro…

    You just need to add an Audio 2 dj and this controller will rock for 600$ if you already have traktor pro…or 800 $ if it’s not the case……it’s still less than the S4 and look better in my point of view

    just needs a good mapping :)

  • http://www.DJMRMCCOY.com DJ Mr. McCoy

    I have a tangent question. You mention don’t get a controller if your doing alot of scratching. Do you think the Kontrol S4 will be better for scratching with the new brake tech in the platters and the high midi resolution?

    This is something that I need to know before I buy the unit cause I’m booked for alot of hip hop parties. But i want that S4

  • Chris Jennings

    As expected from AA. Thanks for the straight forward review.

    [quote comment="36409"]So how is this controller comparable in size to the S4.[/quote]

    The S4 is a little bigger, but a lot lighter.

  • Abyrne7

    So how is this controller comparable in size to the S4.

  • pepehouse

    It’s sad that if you want decent sound you have to pay a thousand for it.

  • pepehouse

    I knew that at that price, the soundcard wouldn’t cut it, that’s why I didn’t buy the thing.

  • http://djmusictalk.blogspot.com/ djmusictalk

    Good Review. It’s quite cheap but u can’t compare it to other controllers like the new S4 or the VCI100 which is in the same price range.

  • http://in-my-head.co.de Psychofrakulator

    It’s a shame that Virtual DJ is still bundling these inferior versions. So they will never get rid of the serious image problem that they have.

    Anyway, nice to see a real test of the VMS4. I was really looking forward for it, but to be honest, I’m not really sold on it now.

    • http://www.phildinnis.com Phil Dinnis

      Virtual DJ is pretty poor in many respects the limitations and poor screen graphic quality is a disaster. Sadly I think any company beeing seen to favour VDJ will be not taken seriously

  • http://listn.to/lafindumonde Str8upDrew

    Thank you a million times over. I was thinking that this could be a solution for a budget 4 deck (2 analog, 2 digital) setup. However i think i’ll be better off saving my money.

  • k

    nice review but i think the 7th picture is actually a rane ttm 57 SL … i can tell from the kill knob led’s that look like skulls

  • http://www.digitaldjtips.com Phil Morse

    Been looking for a decent review of this unit, thanks. Will go and link to it from my controller roundup on DDJT.

  • Eddy

    good review I have been researching this on youtube and on dj sites all day. I already own Virtual DJ Pro so thats what makes me wanna buy this. but at the same time i want the s4 but i have never used traktor a day in my life. I spin hip hop mainly. i might just give this a shot I hope im not disappointed

  • http://www.groovelectric.com Steve Boyett

    Thanks for the review, Ean! I’ve been curious about this unit because the layout seems ideal for TPro, but was skeptical American Audio would come out with anything approaching decent audio quality.

    Is it possible to use this purely as a MIDI controller with an external soundcard? Because even at that price point it’s not a bad option at half the S4 price if it’s a reliable MIDI unit.

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="36395"]the support teams are quite possibly the worst i’ve ever experienced. Ranging from simply rude, to at worst talking ***t.[/quote]

    Oh please share the horror stories :D

  • Ex-VMS4 user

    I was one of the first adopters and I had terrible channel bleed as well as many other small “issues”. The worst part of the whole episode was how i and many others were treated when we asked for support .. the support teams are quite possibly the worst i’ve ever experienced. Ranging from simply rude, to at worst talking ***t.

    Yes it looks good, but it doesn’t perform all that well, guys if you have an Audio8/4/2 you will cry at the sound coming out of this unit … it’s sounds thin, empty and pretty much useless for anything outside the bedroom.

    If you are a wedding DJ and don’t care about your sound, the fact you can’t get many of the microphones on the market to work without distortion and the horrible experience you get if you need help … this is the one for you.

    If however you are used to quality sound – stay clear, save your money and wait for the S4 or even the Denon ..

    thanks Ean for an straight talking unbiased reveiw ..

  • http://www.celtic-dj.com celtic dj

    thanks alot for this review….
    was wondering about this controller and the fact the sound card is not so good disappointed me…
    seems like i will have to wait untill i have enough cash for native instruments new controller..
    great work here,
    cheers DJTT…

  • George

    That was a good review! im a starting dj, with only traktor pro. So if you guys wrote up a good mapping for the VMS4 i would deffinatly consider buying it

  • Ben

    Good review, I wonder, though not really the same sort of product, how it fares against the DDM 4000.
    One thing I noticed though, 40? QSC sub?????

  • http://www.nickyh.co.uk/ Nicky H

    Nice review – it looks a good choice for bedroom dj’s