I feel you had the info before us Ean grrrr =p

Very cool. Way too pricey(personally).

Most of the big clubs may jump on pretty quick for bragging rights, but hard too say.

Must say, would love to mess with a pair.

a few videos

http://www.djsounds.com/

coming soon … CDJ touch (touchscreen) BREAK AWAY FROM THE STANDARD !

I’m sure this is really top-shelf gear but the price and some of the design decisions are slightly confusing. Why use ethernet for file transfer? That’s just more wires to run.

the price scare me.

hmmmmm who knows.. crazy idea… being able to do all that without a computer kinda cool.. price though price.. $$$ this days anybody can buy a midi controller for less than 100 and start playing.. $2,000 damn… how bout a turntable that can do that.. ??

[quote comment=""]the price scare me.[/quote]

Too right, having saved up (I say saved, more like nearly killed myself working double-time) to get a pair of CDJ-1000′s and having sold them because in all honesty software seemed far more appealing, it’d take a lot to convince me personally

Seems like they’re catching up with Traktor rather than putting out anything significantly new; my VCI-100 SE works a treat!

I agree that the CDJ-2000 Price is high although it does seem to do a lot, Seems like a lot of info is coming out later (Cross 2, Pacemaker Pro, etc) Think the CDJ-900 is way over priced for what it does and also you can get 75% of this functionality from the Denon S3700 for 30% of the price and you have real vinyl. Suspect the price will have to drop quickly for anyone to buy it.

I would say they’re a little bit too late, should have released this 3-4 years ago. I really don’t see clubs reinvesting in 2-4 new CDJS just for the LCD and LINK features. It’s better to buy a MacBook + Traktor + a good soundcard + controllers (got 2 x Denon DN HC-4500 in my setup = 4 decks)

But i gotta say i love that needle drop feature! Love it :D Wish my controller had a ribbon pad like that…

I must admit though, the fact that you can use both Traktor Pro & Ableton Live natively straight way is very nice.

Also, they were thinking ahead with the fact that not only is the rekordbox software dual platform, it works in Vista and even Tiger (Mac OS 10.4).

Still pricey, but at least they thought it out a bit.

[quote comment="21656"]Why use ethernet for file transfer? That’s just more wires to run.[/quote]

ethernet is the fastest way to transfer data, faster than the speed to light…but more importantly…sound.

these things are the ns7s’ touch strip with a dvj-cdj 1000, dj soundcard, controller, and computer. honestly, the price was right around what i expected… the Pioneer DVJ-1000 are 25 hundred so there actually not a bad deal in compareson to those…

I thought for sure the cdj2000 would support blu-ray, hmm

Ahhhhh, price this, price that. How long have we been looking at insane MSRP numbers? What is the retail price on the streets going to be, 1,500 and 1000 respectively? Still crazy but think how much bedroom DJ p-zzzy you could get! Pioneer should start a financing arm like Ford and GM.

WTF?! Reasonable price for the huge amount of features but NO NTFS support for USB Harddrives? Is that some kind of joke or what?

£2600 a pair this is out of the price range of the up and coming and bedroom DJs, Macbook Pro and Traktor all the way, Traktor Scratch is a much better product, more effects, more control, better sound and fully roadtested they are about 3 years too late I’m afraid.

Uhmmm guys……I just wet myself…like when a dog is so happy to see you it’s all over the floor…..uh yeah kinda like that

Wasted mytime getting excited about these ! Exactly what we al thought. And my comments still stand. To want to use these in a club you will need a pair at home surely what with the softwarte side etc … And as far as costs its still far more appealing for someone to have a laptop and a controller and take that with instead of going and using something alien to them in teh club as they can no where near afford to have the same or anything like the same in their bedroom.

Far to late, and @ £1300 no thanks way to much, MBP and a dvs any day of the week !

[quote comment="21671"]Uhmmm guys……I just wet myself…like when a dog is so happy to see you it’s all over the floor…..uh yeah kinda like that[/quote]
[quote comment=""]Far to late, and @ £1300 no thanks way to much, MBP and a dvs any day of the week ![/quote]

You should of wet yourself sometime ago then when pretty much the excact idea was predicted. ;o)

[quote comment=""]Far to late, and @ £1300 no thanks way to much, MBP and a dvs any day of the week ![/quote]
cool gear , i think a lot of buddies will run for the cdj900 as the cdj2000 is to expensive.
otherwise well done pioneer , it was about time for the usb connection

Hi, slightly off topic, apologies for that in advance…

Higher above, somebody mentioned PACEMAKER PRO, is that a new thing coming? If yes, any infos around?

Thanks

Well, i don’t know what to think. I’m interested in testing these for sure. i just hope rekordbox is made a freeware so i can use it in clubs that equip. i play gigs with CDJs all the time, but am not willing to go broke for a pair of these ! it’s nice a nice perspective to know your my laptop could be safely at home while still accessing my full digital library at a gig.

I hope this means the price of the 1000′s, 800′s and even the 400′s drop.

I don’t think the new features are enough to make owners of tech12s and cdj-1000s want to drop coin on it, and they’re definately not going to attract much attention from the midi controller crowd.

It does look like a high quality product. but I wouldn’t hold my breath about it becoming a new standard, I think it’s fair to say that title is still up for grabs as far as DVS controllers go.

Looks pretty cool. But way way way way waaaay too expensive for anyone other than club owners and big name DJ’s. I’d love a pair even though MIDI is all i’ve known for DJ’ing. Ah well i’ll stick with my VCI-100, might be looking into the vestax TR-1 too.

From a specatators point of view though we could potentially start seeing some far superior sets from willing DJ’s.

Yep just echoing everyone its pretty much exactly what we thought.

Thing is, these could become an industry standard if they quite simply just made the price 1/3 of what it is. At that price, EVERY club, pub and aspiring bedroom DJ would buy a pair, and the would make up the difference in price through sheer bulk sales. Most (outside of this site) only use their DVS as a huge record box anyway and this has enough features to suit the majority of them.

anyone know if u can purchase rekordbox on its own. or only comes with cdj2000. i will never own one of these players, but im sure clubs will install them pretty quick. so it would be good to prepare everything at home , then just plug in a stick when i get there .

in my opinion is this a very nice piece (little pricey but rock solid) which hit the market a little to late. my hard guess is that more and more midi-controllers are going to controle the future. on the other hand there are many dj’s out there that are still more comfortable with such equipment. so yes, they’re going to sell a lot of those, but i don’t think it’ll be a new “standard”

I think they would be more sucessfull if they put out an identicle version without the cd player, ethernet, soundcard and basically anything they can to get the price down. That way people could buy them as controllers without having to worry about paying for all this crap they are never going to use.

[quote comment=""]Yep just echoing everyone its pretty much exactly what we thought.

Thing is, these could become an industry standard if they quite simply just made the price 1/3 of what it is. At that price, EVERY club, pub and aspiring bedroom DJ would buy a pair, and the would make up the difference in price through sheer bulk sales. Most (outside of this site) only use their DVS as a huge record box anyway and this has enough features to suit the majority of them.[/quote]

I kind of feel sorry for Pioneer. In one way I want to say that the company is Icarus and will crash due to its own hubris. However, the reason the CDJs were so dominant for so long, was that Pioneer was–and still is–the best at what they do, and that’s something to admire.

The problem is that I doubt it’s even a realistic option to charge a third of the price for the CDJ-2000. Passing quality audio and hosting all kinds of processing tasks automatically makes a piece of gear way more expensive and even a professional-grade controller that doesn’t do those things.

It also happens to be that the most exciting areas of DJ technology right now are not the areas that Pioneer is best at. So the company right now seems to be going the way of Roland: it is pigeonholing itself as a maker of impressive, yet oppressively priced hardware. If it continues in this direction, Pioneer will also be like Roland in that will be remain a big industry player, but it’s most exciting and innovative days will appear to be behind it.

so the dvj-1000 is useless now?

How long until the first USB stick get’s stolen in a club from one of these?

[quote comment=""]so the dvj-1000 is useless now?[/quote]
i AM NOT IMPRESS EVEN IF YOU HAVE STAR DJ PRESENTING THE PRODUCT. FROM A COMPANY THAT WAS LEADING THE PARADE. I FEEL LIKE THEY ARE NOW TRAILING.. THE ONLY WAY THE COULD BE BACK IN THE TECH GAME IS IF THEY GET IN THE CONTROLER BUS WITH THE QUALITY THAT THEY CAN DELIVER.

HAZE_MTL

[quote comment=""]Hi, slightly off topic, apologies for that in advance…

Higher above, somebody mentioned PACEMAKER PRO, is that a new thing coming? If yes, any infos around?

Thanks[/quote]

[quote comment="Typo"]CDJ-2000 does support [b]MISI[/b] output on all the controls[/quote]

Very pricey!!!

I can see big clubs and a lot of the big name djs using this, especially some of the older guys who never got used to using laptops. Problem definately is price though, people who are learning and buying kit now are definately going to go for dvs or controller only set-ups. Maybe Pioneer are thinking that this will keep them at the top for a few years before things change completely and they bring out a midi controller for the next generation of djs who haven’t been using cdjs or vinyl – something like the cdj-2000 but without a cd slot and more customisable. The soundcard, native support and needle drop are good features but the fx in Traktor are still far superior to Pioneer’s. The fact remains that you can be far more creative with Traktor and Ableton.

[quote comment=""]Maybe Pioneer are thinking that this will keep them at the top for a few years before things change completely and they bring out a midi controller for the next generation of djs who haven’t been using cdjs or vinyl[/quote]

Haha, that generation is coming along now. Me being one of them and some of my mates too. I would have loved it if Pioneer had jumped on the controller bandwagon fully. But meh Vestax, DJtechtools, native instruments and others seem to be doing things nicely without pioneer.

it seems that they haven’t learned from the technics failure with the sldz? to be the industry standard in the cd-player industry doesn’t mean you will still be if you keep producing cd-players with just added functionality. you need to do a paradigm shift, much like vestax did with midi controllers. who needs a cd player nowdays? do they believe that people will still download music from the net and keep burning cds forever? they should have left the cdj1000 intact and created a “new species”. In the end, punishment to these companies comes from the end users.

For the love of God, now I have to carry all of these huge, heavy, impossible to miss SD Cards to the Club! Gotta get in shape for all that SD Card hauling. :)

Hey, maybe we can use that ethernet cable on the CDJ 2000 to access our own hard drives at home. In that way we only have to bring a pair of headphones to the dj both. :)
Even better, let’s built a full internet browser into the CDJ 2000, with a full iTunes and Beatport account access from the player! CDj 3000 coming in 2015 for $500,000.00. Pre-order Now!

[quote comment="21703"]it seems that they haven’t learned from the technics failure with the sldz? to be the industry standard in the cd-player industry doesn’t mean you will still be if you keep producing cd-players with just added functionality. you need to do a paradigm shift, much like vestax did with midi controllers. who needs a cd player nowdays? do they believe that people will still download music from the net and keep burning cds forever? they should have left the cdj1000 intact and created a “new species”. In the end, punishment to these companies comes from the end users.[/quote]
Totally agree with you dude! Very attractive peace of kit but can’t match the flexibility of midi.
I can’t see the big names out there leaving their Macbooks aside which offers endless possibilities in a DJ set.

Good grief, you can buy a Denon 3700 or even their 1200 for way less money, and still be able to do alot of the same stuff this piece of kit can do. Pioneer has a screw loose if they think people are going to want to by this deck. lol

The DN-HS5500 from Denon’s was WAY ahead of its time. It does pretty much all of this (except for wave display), and it was released a year ago for HALF THE PRICE OF THIS.

GOOBER $2K!!!

Thats they price of a macbook PRO! with a controller and traktor.

And the 2K is just for ONE! 4K for 2.

I think it’s a great cdj and I would to have it, but whatever gear current dj’s use is working for them so why revert to a technology that was huge in the late 90′s early 2000′s because it has a screen and some updated features. especially when it’s going to cost you 4K for a complete system. OUCH!

we shall see how it plays out.

http://mixvibes.com/blog/?p=435&lang=en#comment-1934

A (little) bit more info here. Looks like Mixvibes got their foot well and truly in the door…

If I ever have an extra $4000 kicking around then I may think about getting these but as it stands I am planning on staying ith my trusty MacBookPro, Trigger Finger, Xsessions Pro and Ableton.

allen and heath 4d FOR LIFE.

Cool piece of kit.

A couple problems I see for me as a mobile DJ:

1. If I were to leave my computer at home, it would take me forever to scroll/search through my library on the unit with the limited lines on the small screen.
2. If you are supposed to leave your computer at home, how can you download an obscure request on the fly from an online service?

[quote comment="21691"]I think they would be more sucessfull if they put out an identicle version without the cd player, ethernet, soundcard and basically anything they can to get the price down. That way people could buy them as controllers without having to worry about paying for all this crap they are never going to use.[/quote]

Thats correct. Percieved value of this compared to less expensive alternatives could be hard to justify. Even for those that have the “older model” where the new features are not worth investing in a brand new setup will opt for wait for the next-next model (hping to get most of their investment), other alternative (brand) or just keep what get the job more than well done.

Most of the new features can be done with software where apps like Traktor and Ableton can reproduce and even surpass. Theres a valid point in where “Laptops do not belong in club” but going against something such as computers in this time and age isnt the most intelligent thing to do business wise. Like Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp. (DEC), maker of big business mainframe computers, arguing against the PC in 1977 said: “There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.” And now we even have them inside our cellphones taking a toll even in our personal lives with social networking such as Facebook.

Also, not to mention the cost efficient alternatives to the now widespread-proven to work laptop+controller setups like shuttle form factor CPU’s or more powerful cheap laptops (netbooks). Also it’s easier to carry a folded latop+controller in a backback than a med sized coffin.

2 1/2 cents

Dear Pioneer,

Here is what I really want. Give me the MDJ 2000. Its just like the CDJ but is MIDI and HID capable only. It also has a built in sound card w/ multiple outputs. Similar to eks otus I can push a button [or switch] and have it control either deck 1 or 2. Now I can just bring my laptop and one MDJ to the club, plug into the mixer and rock.

I’m willing to pay a premium for this because it has the same rock solid build and feel of the CDJ, the awesome screen, and multiple output sound card so I only need one of these bad boys. Target Price $899

Thanks
-Mike Charles

p.s. CDs are soooo 2005. We actually WANT to use laptops now. Build a computer stand into MDJ for +1 and major props from the community.

OK, I like these things, but then again I like anything pioneer throws out which is bad I know. when I bought my 1000′s MK3′s I thought they were the isht and honestly they are, except for the lack of search function which I had on Serato. I have some Technics too and the reason I haven’t sold them and probably never will is because I like the way Vinyl feels. I learned on vinyl so i love vinyl but I still use it with Serato. I use the 1000s and 1200s to have 4 deck mp3 capability. I also have a VCI and I love it, and guess what? I have 4 deck capability in Traktor. What do I use now in the club? VCI and Traktor. I cant see how these things will sell. even if I sold my 1000s and the technics and the VCI i’d probably be short 25 hundo to be able to use 4 decks. no thanks. like BentoSan said make it into a midi controller without the CD deal so it’s cheaper and you have a winner. I never liked playing much with the cdjs. oh and after Traktor and the VCI my EFX has been in its flight case for about 2 years. lesson learned.

I wrote 2500 after selling everything but I just checked my math it really looks more like 4500 after i checked my math, don’t know what I was thinking.

Gimme a vci, a soundcard, and a laptop….It’s all i need. Pioneer’s forward thinking took a back seat a long time ago.

@Brian: you would have no problem at all finding your tracks. you can do a search by album, artist, track, playlist or do an alphabetical search. the screen is massive, which really sets it apart from all the competitors

@Quenepas & Mike Charles: there are plenty of us out there, who don’t care to bring a laptop to a club. a. i can’t relax, because I’m fearful someone will spill a drink on my computer, b. i look like a dork checking his email

i have 5000 songs on a hard-drive, that is bus-powered and fits in my shirtpocket. rekordbox allows me to bring all my vital info(cue points, hot cues, loops, cover art, comments, bpm, genre,..)on that same hard-drive. I find the idea of showing up to a gig, with nothing more than a USB stick or small hard-drive and a pair of headphones very appealing!

Well, I don’t like stealing of ideas, and they stole that ethernet sharing idea from Denon (to the benefit of all users). Altough Denon has Keyboard port which can be used to search trough tracks (nifty).
Pioneer is smarter than us and “natural selection”(from the vid begining) will show who’s wrong.
I keep wondering isn’t there a mixed mode where platter emits hid messages (the only thing that needs HID, ok pitch also) and on the other hand we have MIDI all over, to fit our preference?!
Hopefully HID will bring good display-software interaction.
But who cares…I still mix with my keyboard. With math there are ~100 keys shiftable on 7 levels (ctrl/alt/sh) makes 700buttons, not even monome can beat that. I have to buy one of those LPD8, they are nicely colored.

[quote comment=""]G@Quenepas & Mike Charles: there are plenty of us out there, who don’t care to bring a laptop to a club. a. i can’t relax, because I’m fearful someone will spill a drink on my computer, b. i look like a dork checking his email.[/quote]

Hey Lars: No offense, but how do you know you don’t look like a dork even without a laptop? Just playing man. However people want to DJ is fine with me, but honestly, I couldn’t care less about that “checking e-mail” argument anymore. It is incumbent upon you to deliver a great performance, and if you do that, no one with any discriminating taste is going to care whether or not it comes from a laptop or a USB stick. People have basically accepted that computers are intertwined with our lives. Besides, what are you doing checking email on a laptop? We have phones for that now.

i love how they always come out when your saving for the lower end equipment. times like these its a struggle to even save for the 800mk2 when you haft to buy two and then a djm 800 thats already 2000+serato700 your out of 3000 for something you dont even know your ganna enjoy and selling stuff right now is not easy. i dont have mom and dad im 21 and barley scraping by with the money i do make. what they really need to do is come out with something more affordable with the same great features. or come out with something thats the same price as another one of there existing units so that the price can drop on the older ones that would be nice. i mean right now they pretty much carry a unit in every price range but when you can go vdj for a lil more then whats the point. i think they need to come out with something that looks feels and opperates like the cdj1000mk3 but doesnt have cd slots and works with all software. cause really paying extra for mp3 capability when your using a laptop is stupid. these things are great alone but if your using a laptop what do you really need your unit to do( NUTHING_) controllers control software thats what pioneer needs to get in touch with. making a controller. then we can talk i wouldnt mind paying 1000 for a controller if it was made by pioneer cause i know i would be getting the best of the best the ns7 is like 1500 but why??? if pioneer could put the djm8000 take it down to two channels keep the lcd and effects pair it with some cdj 800′s as a controller we would all breath a lil easier.

If if does video then it is right on time.

I believe CDJ 1000s will stil be in the clubs. just like 1200s have been for over 30 years now. Most people like simplicty, its like us buying complicated TVs but only using the bare minimum features. Pioneer added way too much crap on these 2000s. Its never about quantity but about simple great quality.

How on earth am i supposed to search through thousands of tracks with a tiny screen like that? :(

Fail. I can customize the layout of my 150 dollar midi controller so it works right for me. For 3500 I’m stuck using the same workflow I was forced to use in the late 90s?? No thannnks. ***IF*** they were the club standard, I could see myself using the features and not bringing a laptop into the club; but as far as I see I just see a proprietary, locked in cashgrab for the DVS market. No thanks.

-djeklypse

(PS on the topic of controllers, what’s the status of the TKS for the Oxygen 8 V2??)

Outside of the price, I like them and would probably use them. I don’t like carrying a bunch of equipment into the club for a quick gig, but I’m even less fond of burning CDs. This is a good compromise.

why to look at a 6,5′colour display , when you have a 15” mac monitor ? that is indeed making no sense to do so. IMO , these CDJ are for old people that can still watch properly without glasses – today 95% of DJs are using their laptop with their personal setting. CDJ are dead, and unless the price is not 500 USD , so a pair would cost 1000 USD, i will keep my Mac …. and my soundcard, which is after all not that bad.

Pioneer has a lot of tech, but OLD TECH, as controller and Software company already in all Djs stuff list.

it makes me think 15 years ago, when you want to buy a sound module, that was costing quite high, and all keyboards were declined in sound module …. today, no one buying soundmodule but just plug in.

CDJ are dead !!! thats all.

I even can not see a lot of NS7 in all the club, despite all the scratch Dj will love it , and i would have love it too if i were one of them.

BUT …. at the end of the day, it is not becoz you have a CDJ, or a nS7, or your own laptop, that music will be better, as Djs are much more than that. make and mix music, should not be related ONLY to the tool that you are using. the art of mix, is not becoz Traktor BPM engine is great. or becoz Serato never bug ( that is indeed a good point to keep the music running ), the skill and performance of Djs are beyond these technical point.

to pay Tiesto to play with CDJ2000 of 900, that is only a few company that can pay him to do that…. and they will probalby will.

bu that is not making Tiesto better , or good.
Tiesto is good becoz of his MUSIC.

Tiesto or other DJ Star.

[quote comment=""]Here is what I really want. Give me the MDJ 2000. Its just like the CDJ but is MIDI and HID capable only. It also has a built in sound card w/ multiple outputs. Similar to eks otus I can push a button [or switch] and have it control either deck 1 or 2. Now I can just bring my laptop and one MDJ to the club, plug into the mixer and rock.[/quote]

LOL, OK then here’s what I want…

Poineer’s version of a VCI 100. Stick two CDJ1000 platters on it, hopefully motorized. Stick two sets of effects buttons on it, similar to the normal VCI’s but one above each platter instead of just on the right. EQ and gain sections similar to the normal VCI 100 but slightly lower down, and the buttons for scrolling through the playlists in a line across the top along with the Quantize and other functional buttons. Hardware layer or channel switching for decks C&D rather than having to rely on modifiers.

Add 4 extra knobs and 4 extra buttons to each side section for possible future functions and upgrades, (possibly video effects! :D) and add a second crossfader (again for video transitions).

THAT would be an industry standard! :D Rather than $4k for two CDJ’s i’d quite happily pay $1K for that and then never have to buy another control surface again.

k

LOL, and yeah while i remember, this whole “staring at the laptop screen” thing that Pioneer keeps banking on about, i’m gonna have to stare at the tiny CDJ screen for FAR longer while i scroll through my tracks than the laptop screen where half the time i can just type the first few letters or words of the track i’m searching for and find it instantly anyway!

WORD!

[quote comment=""]LOL, and yeah while i remember, this whole “staring at the laptop screen” thing that Pioneer keeps banking on about, i’m gonna have to stare at the tiny CDJ screen for FAR longer while i scroll through my tracks than the laptop screen where half the time i can just type the first few letters or words of the track i’m searching for and find it instantly anyway![/quote]

Good point!

Whats the differance between looking down at the mixer controls or looking at a screen or turning away to scratch in your vinyl bag?

As a DJ….you need to interact….so you need to not look down at the mixer constantly too.

This goes for ALL DJ’s! Whether you play CD’s….vinyls….or use DVS or whatever.

I don’t get the whole looking at a laptop screen argument?!
I don’t think about what i am looking like in the box.
I get up there….and do what i gotta do.

Sometimes, monitoring is shit and you struggle. You can’t interact too much.
Sometimes the situation is perfect and you can interact with the crowd…stand on your DJ desk…whatever!

My point is…i look at the mixer to set it. I look at the CDJ’s screen.
If i use my VCI….i look at the laptop and the VCI.

Then I look up and play. If i need to look down…i will!

If you playing out and getting paid, you should not need to be schooled on the fact that you need to interact with the crowd. That should be hardwired to you brain already.

I am not going to pay someone that doesn’t know or do that.

So if I will interact as much as the situation allows me!

I would not hire a DJ that looked scared and hit behind the laptop screen….

LOL….who are Pioneer trying to kid?

They trying to keep the hardass old skool DJ’s on their side.

“You will look like a tosser if you use a laptop!”

Thats just propaganda man!!!

:)

i’d love to see how this player would ‘integrates’ with ableton.
I just don’t see how it would work that well or be that intuitive.

any videos of that being shown yet?

bb®

[quote comment=""]How on earth am i supposed to search through thousands of tracks with a tiny screen like that? :([/quote]

just make folders

i got an offtopic, should i use à laptop+controler or buy cdj 400′s?
I would use it with Traktor then
my other question is, can i See the wave Format of the Song that im playing On. My of cdj 400 on traktor then?

Again,in regards to the pro/anti laptop screen thing, it really shouldn’t matter what you look like. They should be dancing, not staring at you.

Of course, that’s just my opinion.

[quote comment=""] How on earth am i supposed to search through thousands of tracks with a tiny screen like that? :(

just make folders[/quote]

LOL but IMO the same rational still applies, I can make the same folders and playlists in Traktor and se them far better on my 13″ MBP screen, and also have the keyboard to type searches which i dont have on a CDJ 2000.

This is going exactly the way of the SVM-1000 and the DVJ-1000s vs Serato Video SL. It’s an issue of flexibility and affordability.
SVMs and DVJs are great pieces of equipment, but when you buy equipment you are stuck with the functionality of the gear for quite some time, and revisions, improvements and new functions are hard and slow to implement. Most companies and consumers can’t upgrade their hardware as fast as they do their software. It’s way less painful to upgrade your software than it is to upgrade your hardware.
There is now doubt that software offers way more functionality and flexibility than hardware and evolves to a faster pace.
As software becomes the norm, controllers are made to accommodate the functionality of the software. Pioneer is definitely addressing this software issue, but the problem is that software is very flexible and features in the software evolve to a faster pace. Therefore a controller needs to be as flexible as the software is made to control.
Serato VSL offers that degree of flexibility and affordability that can’t be matched by the SVM-1000 or the DVJ-1000. Most consumers rather expend less money in a product that will evolve faster without making them pay three times as much for the new functionality of their gear.
The CDJ 2000 are definitely not a new species… But I will call them “The Missing Link” between the old paradigm of playing music ( CDs ) and the new one ( software based ). Pioneer is flexing their position as and industry standard to try to standardized how software should be controlled. This is an arrogant gutsy move from their part.
The CDJs were successful and became an industry standard because it was more affordable to play CDs than it was to play vinyl, and they also offer more functionality ( looping, hot cues, master tempo, etc ). Again functionality and affordability.
The CDJ 2000 are not providing the same degree of flexibility, affordability and functionality ( in comparison with other products in the market ) that they once did, when they first came out.
Software is changing the game of Djing for everybody. Software is very functional, flexible, can be customized to a persons needs and most important evolves rapidly.
When a company develops a controller that is very functional, flexible and affordable, that can evolve as fast as the software is meant to control, then we might have another industry standard.
Pioneer is in the right direction, but unless they closely work with a software company like Native Instruments, Serato or Ableton, they are not going to meet the demands of the new generation of Djs that will, most likely, have their first foray into the world of Djing trough a piece of software like Traktor, Serato or Ableton Live.

[quote comment=""]times like these its a struggle to even save for the 800mk2 when you haft to buy two and then a djm 800 thats already 2000+serato700 your out of 3000 for something you dont even know your ganna enjoy and selling stuff right now is not easy.[/quote]
You mention something that has amazed me about CDJs since Pioneer first came out with the 1000. It would be so easy for them to put two outputs instead of one on this thing, wouldn’t it? Why make the user buy two of these if they don’t want to? I guess when you had to play CDs through them it at least made a little sense but when you’re manipulating music on a hard drive anyway, what is the point of forcing you to buy a pair of these when one will do just fine? One CD player, two sets of outputs to your mixer, and you toggle between outputs with a switch, the on board computer keeps deck 1 playing when you switch to deck 2, etc. Don’t get me wrong – I’m a vinyl DJ originally so I totally get the utility of having two of these if you can afford it. Serato and Traktor allow you to play with one turntable and just switch the inputs on the fly; did they not think of providing that option with this? Or did they think of it and decide it would be better to make you buy two of these even though they could do that?

He did mention beat grids briefly … If I can grid all my tracks with software and the clubs I play at will actually fork out 4 grand for a pair of them… it could be interesting to show up with an sd card :-)

Until then like I have been since 2001 I will show up with a laptop…

It looks like a beautiful piece of equipment, and they are on the right track with the updates they made to their standard features, but it really seems like the the big problem is that the standard is dated now.
When the CDJ line was introduced, it was a revolution that freed us from massively expensive (and heavy) records, and let DJs really take advantage of the insanely cool possibilities that digital offered.
Now, the new features they are adding are playing catch-up, and although DJing hasn’t moved on from CDJs yet, we’re definitely going in that direction.
Imagine if the club standard was a booming laptop with Traktor, with 2 CDJ’s and 2 decks hooked in, just sitting there ready for your USB stick of tunes and your VCI? I think I just messed my pants up.

And for this anti-laptop crap that I’m sure everybody here has heard many times, it’s the same nonsense again and again. Using records was fake because real music comes from instruments. Then having even a crossfader (for the super oldschoolers), and then having effects wasn’t real DJing. Now if you don’t use records you’re not a DJ. Lame. Once brain control matrix mixing comes out, I’m there.

[quote comment=""]It looks like a beautiful piece of equipment, and they are on the right track with the updates they made to their standard features, but it really seems like the the big problem is that the standard is dated now.
When the CDJ line was introduced, it was a revolution that freed us from massively expensive (and heavy) records, and let DJs really take advantage of the insanely cool possibilities that digital offered.
Now, the new features they are adding are playing catch-up, and although DJing hasn’t moved on from CDJs yet, we’re definitely going in that direction.
Imagine if the club standard was a booming laptop with Traktor, with 2 CDJ’s and 2 decks hooked in, just sitting there ready for your USB stick of tunes and your VCI? I think I just messed my pants up.

And for this anti-laptop crap that I’m sure everybody here has heard many times, it’s the same nonsense again and again. Using records was fake because real music comes from instruments. Then having even a crossfader (for the super oldschoolers), and then having effects wasn’t real DJing. Now if you don’t use records you’re not a DJ. Lame. Once brain control matrix mixing comes out, I’m there.[/quote]

[quote comment=""]It would be so easy for them to put two outputs instead of one on this thing, wouldn’t it? Why make the user buy two of these if they don’t want to? One CD player, two sets of outputs to your mixer, and you toggle between outputs with a switch[/quote]

Doesn’t the denon 5500 already do that? Those 5500 decks are around $500 US each right? That’s like getting two decks in one, or paying $250 for each playback layer.

And Pioneer wants people to shell out around $3000+ dollars to do the same thing? That’s is the biggest slap in the face that anyone can get. Does Pioneer really think we are that gullible, that if they build it we will buy it? Get real.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are the future of djing ! We are the ones with BALLS enough to take the full digital leap. I agree with Migs. We live in a age in which technology is coming at us so fast. That, the thought of buying two cdj 2000′s or two cdj 900′s is illogical. Why should I go get myself in debt to get two cdj’s. Where does Pioneer come with those price’s from. Don’t they watch the news. Most of the countries where Pioneer is sold the most are in financial problems. If they wanted for this product to sell they should drop the price. I’m sorry to say. But, paying some BIG NAME dj to spin only using the new cdj’s isn’t going to work this time. We are digital dj’s ! We are the next step in the dj evolution! They are trying to sell us on the idea that they are the next step in the dj’s evolution. We can do everthing that these cdj’s can do with our dj controllers and even more.
Here on Aruba I been the dj to always take the risk and try some thing new. Here I’m the only dj that is 100% full on midi. We customize our setups in way the pioneer won’t let us.

To sum it up. My opinion of “THE NEW CDJ’S” is that they are cute.
PIONEER you guys MISSED the bus .

as tasty as they are… they are WAY too pricey. pioneer have jumped in 12 months too late to really have an impact i think.

judeson is right i think about only the big clubs will install them for bragging rights and to keep all the pioneer payroll dj’s happy.

no NTFS is a major drawback…

RekordBox had better be freeware other wise pioneer have definitely shot themselves in foot! thats one good thing about serato…

Bento, i too would like to see a ‘controller only’ version – maybe they will down the road a little to compete with the NS7? ..fingers crossed!

..im dreading to see the RRP here in australia (stores are taking deposits but dont have any prices listed yet – thats like going to an upmarket restaurant and ordering off a menu with no prices)

…i also think that all the serato/traktor/ableton hating dj’s out there will jump on these like flies to shit, only because they 1) look like cdjs and 2)because they are pioneer

unfortunately a LOT of dj’s out there only recognize two brands of dj gear: Pioneer & Technics which is a definite shame!

I absolutely agree with Rodrigo – we ARE the forefront and the future of Digital Djing and in order to evolve – survival of the fittest comes into play and you have to grasp with the new technology as fast as it comes out in order to stay ontop. Dont get me wrong, I have alot of respect for those who are still using vinyls as the digital DJ’s are now doing tricks that would take a vinyl DJ awhile to master. But again and again I hear about the same argument that your not a DJ unless you use vinyl. BS! If you cannot make the crowd happy and dancing, you dont belong behind a deck.

Think about the african tribes beating their drums and stamping their feet to make music. You really think the crowd is going to notice wether or not Zapu or Zingretti have new drums or new hides covering their drums? How comical would it be finding a forum and the Zulu tribe talking about the new Zulu Drums 2000 – 10% more bass and loudless than the Zulu Drums 1000, for 50% more money? NO….it’s about the music. It’s always been about the music. Technology is there to make things easier, which is why already your starting to see more and more DJ’s coming through the ranks because it’s getting easier.

Pioneer will learn from this I’m sure. But I must say the CDJ 2000′s at first glance, I was like, (and still am),”Hot Dang”. But my NS7 is cheaper than two CDJ1000 let alone 2xCDJ 2000.

Man, I hate to say it, but I love the way the CDJ-2000 look and the features they bring to the table. If I had the 4k laying around I would purchase them. I see potential in the gear and most if not all high-end clubs are going to get these bad boys.

If I had 4k to kill, I would go for a 17″ MBP & Lemur and call it a day.

[quote comment=""]Man, I hate to say it, but I love the way the CDJ-2000 look and the features they bring to the table. If I had the 4k laying around I would purchase them. I see potential in the gear and most if not all high-end clubs are going to get these bad boys.

If I had 4k to kill, I would go for a 17″ MBP & Lemur and call it a day.[/quote]

Yeaaaah! I pick a Lemur over a CDJ 2000 anytime, anywhere!

THey are a bit too late IMO, and Wayy to expensive.i can get a macbook pro, with a decent controlerr and run ableton maxed out for under £3000..!

To me, the beauty is, that this brings us back to basics: a DJ and his tunes.
I mean, if a club told you they just bought these new players that have so much processing power built-in, that you don’t need a laptop and all you had to bring was a USB stick with your music, would you really tell them, that you would rather bring a laptop and an audio-interface?

re. price, they are only 13% more than the 1000, seems pretty reasonable, considering how much more you get

[quote comment="21773"]re. price, they are only 13% more than the 1000, seems pretty reasonable, considering how much more you get[/quote]

Trying to hoodwink us in to believing the 2000 is a bargain because it’s only a 13% more expensive than the 1000 is just plain laughable. lol

That imaginary 13% number you threw out there is based on the 1000 deck that was already way overpriced to begin with. There are better CD decks out there that are way less $’s than the 1000′s. Does Pioneer think that we are that gullable? They must if they thought we would rush right out and buy a single cdj2000 that costs about the same as two morgage payments for a house. lol

If nothing else, Pioneer marketing have certainly achieved the goal of having everyone talking about this release.

My 2c cents (and remember, the AU dollar isn’t doing too well)?

Overrated. The hype certainly didn’t match the release.

Needle search? Done before.

The cost of a new setup? Gets me a MBP, controller(s) and TSP as well as Ableton Live which provides me greater versatility than what is simply an updated CDJ.

As mentioned previously, ‘rekordbox’ software needs to be freeware, otherwise Pioneer is going to be hedging their bets. Firstly, can’t expect that too many clubs – other than the brand-name superclubs – will be picking these up once they start to ship. Secondly, those clubs that do (and have residents) may find they don’t pay their residents enough to own a pair of 2000s or 900s themselves, so all they’ve done is update their CDJs for the purpose of playing…CDs.

Oh, 1000s could do that too, eh?

Interesting point about the CDJ-900- it only has one hot cue to my knowledge. If Pioneer discontinue the 1000s then the only way to get three hot cues is with the CDJ-2000, thus sort of forcing people to spend the extra four hundred quid for one feature which is found on most low end CD decks these daya.

The argument that “they are only 13% more than the 1000s” doesn’t really ring true especially in the UK where the 2000s retail for £1499 plus 2.5% more when VAT goes up next year.

Impressive products by Pioneer but sadly far too late and far too expensive in my opinion

[quote comment="21773"]To me, the beauty is, that this brings us back to basics: a DJ and his tunes.
I mean, if a club told you they just bought these new players that have so much processing power built-in, that you don’t need a laptop and all you had to bring was a USB stick with your music, would you really tell them, that you would rather bring a laptop and an audio-interface?

re. price, they are only 13% more than the 1000, seems pretty reasonable, considering how much more you get[/quote]

If you dont bring your laptop, whats the point of having HID/midi control with the 2k? Laptopless CDJ2k would make the CDJ2k a CDJ1k that doesnt use CD’s and lets you save cues?

thats the next generation? riiiight.

If you cannot make the crowd happy and dancing, you dont belong behind a deck.

Think about the african tribes beating their drums and stamping their feet to make music. You really think the crowd is going to notice wether or not Zapu or Zingretti have new drums or new hides covering their drums? How comical would it be finding a forum and the Zulu tribe talking about the new Zulu Drums 2000 – 10% more bass and loudless than the Zulu Drums 1000, for 50% more money? NO….it’s about the music. It’s always been about the music. Technology is there to make things easier, which is why already your starting to see more and more DJ’s coming through the ranks because it’s getting easier.

[quote comment=""]If you cannot make the crowd happy and dancing, you dont belong behind a deck.

Think about the african tribes beating their drums and stamping their feet to make music. You really think the crowd is going to notice wether or not Zapu or Zingretti have new drums or new hides covering their drums? How comical would it be finding a forum and the Zulu tribe talking about the new Zulu Drums 2000 – 10% more bass and loudless than the Zulu Drums 1000, for 50% more money? NO….it’s about the music. It’s always been about the music. Technology is there to make things easier, which is why already your starting to see more and more DJ’s coming through the ranks because it’s getting easier.[/quote]
[quote comment="21797"]If you cannot make the crowd happy and dancing, you dont belong behind a deck.

Think about the african tribes beating their drums and stamping their feet to make music. You really think the crowd is going to notice wether or not Zapu or Zingretti have new drums or new hides covering their drums? How comical would it be finding a forum and the Zulu tribe talking about the new Zulu Drums 2000 – 10% more bass and loudless than the Zulu Drums 1000, for 50% more money? NO….it’s about the music. It’s always been about the music. Technology is there to make things easier, which is why already your starting to see more and more DJ’s coming through the ranks because it’s getting easier.[/quote]
[quote comment="21759"]I absolutely agree with Rodrigo – we ARE the forefront and the future of Digital Djing and in order to evolve – survival of the fittest comes into play and you have to grasp with the new technology as fast as it comes out in order to stay ontop. Dont get me wrong, I have alot of respect for those who are still using vinyls as the digital DJ’s are now doing tricks that would take a vinyl DJ awhile to master. But again and again I hear about the same argument that your not a DJ unless you use vinyl. BS! If you cannot make the crowd happy and dancing, you dont belong behind a deck.

Think about the african tribes beating their drums and stamping their feet to make music. You really think the crowd is going to notice wether or not Zapu or Zingretti have new drums or new hides covering their drums? How comical would it be finding a forum and the Zulu tribe talking about the new Zulu Drums 2000 – 10% more bass and loudless than the Zulu Drums 1000, for 50% more money? NO….it’s about the music. It’s always been about the music. Technology is there to make things easier, which is why already your starting to see more and more DJ’s coming through the ranks because it’s getting easier.

Pioneer will learn from this I’m sure. But I must say the CDJ 2000′s at first glance, I was like, (and still am),”Hot Dang”. But my NS7 is cheaper than two CDJ1000 let alone 2xCDJ 2000.[/quote]

so we all agree that pioneer needs to make a controller with mixer and effects built in , able to work with any and all software. alot of your are mentioning serato and traktor but what about us torq users. seeing as tho around where i live the clubs are biased to serato and wont let you spin there unless you have it it would also be nice to have a hardware that works with whatever software you want to use, such as virtual dj, or torq, serato, traktor, and whatever other dj programs are out there.

pioneer is going to change the game with whatever they come out with next i hope.
but until then im not going to buy anything unless its used and around 500 a pair.

Congratulations Pioneer for making a comeback against the controllers, advanced dj software and pro sound cards. Pioneer has always been the industry standard. You will never find a professional dj asking for another product. the cdj 2000 is a savior to many people carrying all this equipment and there sound cards everywhere. Yes they ar5e expensive but pro equipment always is. Give it some time they will go down a few hundred. Now if you cant afford them you can still get some cool controllers with Traktor. I recommend the Stanton scs3 system and many many more. Will be nice to show up at the clubs with just a few memory sticks.
“pioneer cdj-2000′s if you cant afford them maybe you don’t need them.”
peace.

[quote comment="21799"]so we all agree that pioneer needs to make a controller with mixer and effects built in…
“pioneer cdj-2000′s if you cant afford them maybe you don’t need them.”
peace.[/quote]

I will always want a separate mixer which has zero latency

Technics rules the DJ market but when cd’s/mp3′s happened they took too long releasing there new generation, missed the boat and lost out big time. This is what is happening to Pioneer, they are too late and not on course. These will fail, not just because of price but because the alternatives are better!

A controller that gets the job done WELL in Traktor is cheap… If you use Traktor these are just really expensive and unecessary controllers… Secondly to use these to their full potential you need one to learn on. So if you’re a superstar world traveling DJ like Ean, well not Ean, buying a pair and learning them well might make since but only if clubs buy them and make them standard… Most clubs have a USB RANE soundcard interface. Clubs are a business and business people only buy what they must to make money (They prefer to drop extra cash into Boats and things for themselves!) If DJs want/use/demand the USB RANE interface more than not, no club will buy this unless they lose an existing CDJ or do a total revamp of there system simply to have a backwards compatible set up for Paul Oakenfold to use. :)

cdj2000 and 900 = homermobile!

If you’re not in controllerism I think 9/10 DJs will actually prefer this to a DVS or Software/controller setup.

If you’re just honest you know that a laptop is and always will be the weakest link in the DJ booth. They’re not designed for a club environment. This new CDJ 2000 brings proven reliability with enhanced features you before only had in software like Traktor. With the HID/MIDI control Pioneer creates a win-win situation here. People complaining about price are probably the same ones who ridiculed the price of a CDJ 1000 back in the days, since they were comparing it to the price of a turntable. It’s a big price tag, but you’ll save around 200 euro on a soundcard, 400 euro on controller gear, and about 2400 on 2 CDJ-1000s. 2400+400+200=3000. That means you pay an extra 600 euro for the hotness. Still fair bit of money, but you know brand new gadgets will cost you

[quote comment="21667"]Ahhhhh, price this, price that. How long have we been looking at insane MSRP numbers? What is the retail price on the streets going to be, 1,500 and 1000 respectively? Still crazy but think how much bedroom DJ p-zzzy you could get! Pioneer should start a financing arm like Ford and GM.[/quote]

They are going to be $1699 and $1199 respectively. Which makes the 2000 a much better value IMO. It’s $200 more than the retail price of the CDJ1000MK3, so if people were already buying those decks for $1499, another $200 doesn’t seem all that much for something that is so much more of a tool than the MK3 is.

I wonder if I can download Rekordbox without buying the players.

[quote comment=""][quote comment="21667"]Ahhhhh, price this, price that. How long have we been looking at insane MSRP numbers? What is the retail price on the streets going to be, 1,500 and 1000 respectively? Still crazy but think how much bedroom DJ p-zzzy you could get! Pioneer should start a financing arm like Ford and GM.[/quote]

They are going to be $1699 and $1199 respectively. Which makes the 2000 a much better value IMO. It’s $200 more than the retail price of the CDJ1000MK3, so if people were already buying those decks for $1499, another $200 doesn’t seem all that much for something that is so much more of a tool than the MK3 is.

I wonder if I can download Rekordbox without buying the players.[/quote]

Im really not a fan of pioneer’s extremely overpriced electronics, especially the quality to price ratio, but I like what this new system has to offer. It has almost every dj workflow implemented into it. Its already the club standard (for some reason) not saying that its a bad one but its definitely not the best solution around nowadays. I was never a fan of the CDJ series, definitely when it comes to its price as well as physical appearance. Could be better and its missing a few technical features for the price. That being said, I can honestly say after all the negative things I don’t like bout the cdj series, I believe this is the first CDJ series I think thats finally worth buying. To many people one this thread are jumping to conclusions about this machine instead of looking at the actual value of the machine. I think most people dont understand why new stuff comes out in the first place…BECAUSE NOTHING LAST FOREVER! Also, im sure if any of you sent in ANYTHING to a pioneer repair center, im sure you’d probably be better buying a new unit.
There are CDJs in clubs where I perform at, but I dont even know how to use one. I can afford one, I dont have the use for one besides learning how to use one, I dont like the machine, and its not worth as much as the asking price to me. I know DJs that use 2x CDJ1000mk3s, and a pioneer mixer, to control serato. To me thats pointless because of the cost of the CDJs but all DJs dont work the same. Another DJ I know, takes a laptop to the club, and matches up playlists to customs CDs to see whats on em, so he can know the contents of the cd hes gonna play on the 2x CDJ1000mk3. Right now I use traktor. It doesnt support cds which harms the workflow for me because if somebody im working for had something in the car they wanted me to play or if a local rapper wanted me to play one of his tracks as a special request to keep the party alive I wouldnt be able to do that without hardware. So the features the new CDJ2000 offers more options than any DJ software. I prefer to have a setup that can resort to hardware “CDs” if necessary just incase of a software failure. I also like as many options available to me as possible, and right now the CDJ2000 is offering the most. Since I dont know the CDJ system, just the fact that if it were the club standard, that I could just bring my laptop to the club, and use it for my favorite software is a nice feature in itself. Right now I use the VCI-100. If I get the vci-300, probably convert to itch. Or I might just get the 2000 series since its new. Just continue to use what works for you!

[quote comment=""]Im really not a fan of pioneer’s extremely overpriced electronics, especially the quality to price ratio, but I like what this new system has to offer. It has almost every dj workflow implemented into it. Its already the club standard (for some reason) not saying that its a bad one but its definitely not the best solution around nowadays. I was never a fan of the CDJ series, definitely when it comes to its price as well as physical appearance. Could be better and its missing a few technical features for the price. That being said, I can honestly say after all the negative things I don’t like bout the cdj series, I believe this is the first CDJ series I think thats finally worth buying. To many people one this thread are jumping to conclusions about this machine instead of looking at the actual value of the machine. I think most people dont understand why new stuff comes out in the first place…BECAUSE NOTHING LAST FOREVER! Also, im sure if any of you sent in ANYTHING to a pioneer repair center, im sure you’d probably be better buying a new unit.
There are CDJs in clubs where I perform at, but I dont even know how to use one. I can afford one, I dont have the use for one besides learning how to use one, I dont like the machine, and its not worth as much as the asking price to me. I know DJs that use 2x CDJ1000mk3s, and a pioneer mixer, to control serato. To me thats pointless because of the cost of the CDJs but all DJs dont work the same. Another DJ I know, takes a laptop to the club, and matches up playlists to customs CDs to see whats on em, so he can know the contents of the cd hes gonna play on the 2x CDJ1000mk3. Right now I use traktor. It doesnt support cds which harms the workflow for me because if somebody im working for had something in the car they wanted me to play or if a local rapper wanted me to play one of his tracks as a special request to keep the party alive I wouldnt be able to do that without hardware. So the features the new CDJ2000 offers more options than any DJ software. I prefer to have a setup that can resort to hardware “CDs” if necessary just incase of a software failure. I also like as many options available to me as possible, and right now the CDJ2000 is offering the most. Since I dont know the CDJ system, just the fact that if it were the club standard, that I could just bring my laptop to the club, and use it for my favorite software is a nice feature in itself. Right now I use the VCI-100. If I get the vci-300, probably convert to itch. Or I might just get the 2000 series since its new. Just continue to use what works for you![/quote]

I love how the majority of people are saying “for the same money I could just buy a MBP + Traktor + VCI-100 and have the best setup” but then you see 500 posts after Traktor is updated from people complaining that their setup is broken.

CDJ-1000 = 0% downtime.
CDJ-2000 = 0% downtime.

You get to a gig and if your CDs are even remotely in a good condition then it works (In my experience Denon players need MINT CDs otherwise they bitch and moan like a temperamental teenager and refuse to play ball)

As a well established local house DJ who currently plays 3 gigs fri/sat/sun (this is after I dropped all but the best clubs area), the best part about the CDJ-1000s I use is they work the EXACT same way they did last week, and they will work the same way next week and the week after. Imagine how insane it would be if you rocked up to your gig and they said “sorry, we updated the CDJ and now some of the buttons dont work, but we’ll have it fixed by next week”. Not acceptable.

I just bought TSP and I’m keen to take my sets to the next level, but at the same time I’m scared that when an update comes shit will break. Will be new territory for me to have worry about my rig not working in the leadup to my gigs…

3rd paragraph should read:

If you need to play a gig…

All I can say is. Macbook pro is the way forward from now on

this is a great idea one i thought of ages ago in my own head, its obvious this is whats needed.

turning up to a gig with a memory stick of choice and no other gear is awesome!

just were are you going to get the experience on these though no bedroom dj or your mate dave isn t going to have them due to price.

when everyone had 1210′s the controls were simple and everyone had them, turning up to a booth with four of these in running traktor could be a nightmare on early sessions!

just ordered 4 though.

I think these CDJs are sooooo badass!!
I have only been Djing for 2 years, so I consider myself the newer generation of DJ. I loooove CDJs and I’m very excited about these. I would never want a laptop and a MIDI controller over good old manual control of the music. CDJs and turntables give the DJ physical control of the music, and DJs that can’t feel the advantage of this are missing out on something major. Agreed that this thing is a few years late, but badass nonetheless, and this system should be good for a long time to come.

The whole point of these decks is that they eliminate the laptop. Who wants to watch a DJ mouse around on a laptop? But everyone has their preference. I think that the whole point is that this IS the standard, just like the 1200′s were, just like the 1000 Mk3s were. No DJs are ever going to show up to some MIDI controller and latop standard, but if they have a custom setup and they want to lug it around, they can do that.

Bottom line, this thing is no toy. This is serious equipment for prefessional DJs. You want to play with the big boys, you have to make money.

I have cdj 1000s, technics, and a VCI. I use them all for different things. The 1000s and the techs are for when I feel like mixing old school (which is actually more often than not!). I have the VCI for quick, creative, and portable mixing.

What Pioneer has here is a piece of kit that is truly late to the party. It really is a glorified 1000. For one, if I’m gonna mix on a technics or cdj, it is because I feel like mixing old school; like I would before I had a laptop. If I mix on a VCI it’s because i have fx, autoloop features, etc. Why the hell would I need to pay $3000 (two decks) when I could buy a controller, laptop, and software or a couple of 1000s on ebay for $1500 (which is what I got mine for) OR technics with serato/traktor scratch for way less?

I mean to have two of these and a pioneer djm would cost almost $5000.
I can’t see the reason to spend so much when a lot of us already have 1000s. I’ll keep my traktor, cdj1000s, and DDM4000 to control it all.

I agree with the rest of you, make it a controller and I’ll get back to you. Industry standard controllers where all I have to do is bring my laptop; now that would be nice!

Laidback Luke & Steve Angello Vs Simfonika Island

New York City Wants To BE

http://rcpt.yousendit.com/770730144/ffa6fa720ca722e5e7a34caa3814d39a

When the SL 1200 were the “In THING” whereby everybody who didnt DJ with vinyl, was considered a loser.

I never forget a DJ telling me if you mix with CDJs, you aint DJing…(that was in 2002).

Now look here…ALL YOU DJS…talk SHITE.

I dont give a flying f**** what these companies are bringing out and calling their product acceptable.

The truth is-anything can go. Your general crowd doesn’t care how you mix sweety, they jus wanna hear you pump hot music. For all I care, they jus wanna get laid. Unless you giving that opportunity. lol

IMO Cdjs, dvds, and any round plastic disc can go to the dustbin. Digital is the future. No records, no nada.

If you cant touch that format then you on the right track hahah….

Digital baby…all the way.

I really dont see the point with CDJs…what a waste of money. Buy a laptop, and a midi controller and you done… f***ck the rest…

I like them, however it’s just not that impressive for the cost. and Im not frugal at all. I own the MK3′s and run Serato.
yeah.. I could use the new features but for $3500 ?? Nahh
there are other options..for much less. (It looks pretty though)
I’ll watch and wait for some breathtaking technology to be released in 2010.

Yea Duerr

“I don’t think the new features are enough to make owners of tech12s and cdj-1000s want to drop coin on it, and they’re definately not going to attract much attention from the midi controller crowd.”

Too right, and what the hell are they thinking making it soooo fancy and expecting people to pay the redicilous price tag? Sure pioneer is probably the best but you can do soo much more on Traktor with a simple midi controller like the VCI 100, and I dont have to bust my ass trying to buy 2 of these (if it ever does become disco standard) just so I would know how to use one of these in the club…come on guys this Capitalistic way of thought isnt exactly helping.

us dollar 2150?

Got mine this weekend, and it pretty much makes you want to throw the 1000 MK3s out the window. Build quality is supreme, with button labels underneath the plexi facade, so they will never fade. The wheel and buttons feel more solid than previous models. Beat cutter is fun as hell!! The 2000 is the ultimate piece of kit. The placement of the power button is problematic if you intend to put this thing in a coffin. The footprint is slightly larger than the MK3 so I had to trim some foam.

I have to say though, after a few hours on it, it really DOES feel like it came too late. Like, why didnt they have this 2 years ago? The machine is absolutely amazing and fun, but it does not feel like the hottest new cutting edge technology. However, I dont know what else you could ask for out of a player??? I myself dont like the idea of a laptop shielding me from my audience, so these decks are tops!

My one request. A deck swap button that would change the color of the lights on the machine and allow you to swap Deck1 to Deck2. Although then Pioneer could only sell half as many!!

Fair enough the CDJ 2000′s are pretty overpriced, although I stuck a deal with Sam Ash for 2 x CDJ 2000′s for $3,100. Thats $1,550 each. Haggle with Sam Ash and other retailers and price compare with all the retailers. Make them fight over price comparisons to get the best deal

I received my CDJ 2000′s today and it was like Christmas has come early. I took my time setting the babies up and loaded Rekordbox on my MacBook. I analyzed all the tunes on my Mac which was around a 1,000 Tracks and Rekordbox took around 1 1/2 Hours to fully analyze from my Itunes folder.

Rekordbox transfered the “Analyzed” tracks in 30 minutes to my portable hard drive. I can link the two CDJ’s via the link feature to read the music on my Hard Drive from 1 CDJ.

So once getting the CDJ 2000′s, it takes approximately 2 hours to get your ITunes or music “Analyzed and organized to a Pioneer Folder” so the CDJ’s can read the music.

I will test the MIDI, HID and other features tomorrow.

P.S. The CDJ’s come with an RCA Cable, Fader Control Cable, Power Cable and the DSL “Link Cable” and the Rekordbox software . No SD cards included in the packs.

[...] The presciently contested CDJ 2000 [...]

The only advantage of using CDJs is that they just work under whatever conditions you put them, try to DJ with a laptop in a desert rave with hot and sand or at a beach or in a very humid cave or in lots of other exotic places that pros usually have to face, you are most likely that the lappy is going to crash because of the heat, the cold or something like that, you just can’t trust computers completely and Pioneers always keep working that’s why professionals will keep on using them and the 2000 will become a standart again, the rest of us can go with shitty and cheap software if we don’t have to DJ at the latest rave inferno but if you want to make a pro career you better learn how to DJ with those because they are going to stay till someone comes with a computer you can trust at least the same as a Pioneer. Another time consuming and headache thing is software updates, bugs, MIDI shit, ect. that can take you from only wanting to play some good music to have to make a degree in computer science and learn lots of not related to music shit just to achieve to DJ with a laptop and a MIDI controller without having a crash at your hard to get mini-gig.

That’s all folks!

[quote comment="21668"]WTF?! Reasonable price for the huge amount of features but NO NTFS support for USB Harddrives? Is that some kind of joke or what?[/quote]

NTFS is proprietary. Blame Microsoft.

Great player but Not for over 2 stacks a piece.

@ “livefast, stephen” above. Nothing in the universe travels faster than the speed of light sorry.

[quote comment="21666"]I thought for sure the cdj2000 would support blu-ray, hmm[/quote]

… has there ever been a DJ walking into a club and missing his BLUray player …

A set will of average las 1-3h, really need the whole collection?

As a DJ that has no interest in Macbooks and midi controllers i cant wait to get me some of these!

I’m gonna buy myself some of these next week. Can’t wait, they’re gonna be wicked with Traktor Pro and my Kontrol X1

To answer the question as to whether anyone is buying the CDJ 2000′s; I ordered two, and had to wait because Guitar Center keeps running out of stock. A guy at their warehouse told me that on the day mine got to the warehouse, most of the shipment was being sent out to fill backorders. I got mine for a very good deal! But even so, they’re still a little pricey.

P.S. I got mine for about 1400 per deck.

[quote comment="23349"]When the SL 1200 were the “In THING” whereby everybody who didnt DJ with vinyl, was considered a loser.

I never forget a DJ telling me if you mix with CDJs, you aint DJing…(that was in 2002).

Now look here…ALL YOU DJS…talk SHITE.

I dont give a flying f**** what these companies are bringing out and calling their product acceptable.

The truth is-anything can go. Your general crowd doesn’t care how you mix sweety, they jus wanna hear you pump hot music. For all I care, they jus wanna get laid. Unless you giving that opportunity. lol

IMO Cdjs, dvds, and any round plastic disc can go to the dustbin. Digital is the future. No records, no nada.

If you cant touch that format then you on the right track hahah….

Digital baby…all the way.

I really dont see the point with CDJs…what a waste of money. Buy a laptop, and a midi controller and you done… f***ck the rest…[/quote]

Hold up…..LOL. You just got finished saying the crowd doesn’t care what you mix with, as long as you pump hot music. Then you turn right around and say to hell with CDJ’s… WTF?! LOL. It’s true, the crowd doesn’t care. So WTF are we even having this conversation? Nevermind CDJ’s being considered a waste…. this thread is more of a waste of time. MHO

MIX AND BE HAPPY, AND YOU CROWD WILL BE TOO!!!!!

i luv dis setup pioneer cdj 2000…

who many price 4 dis full setup…pls u inform me..okay…

im waitng…n thnx….

This peice of kit is AMAZING ! first of all for all u computer dj’s, stop crying out about how expesive it is, you just dropped 2500 for your macbook pro. plus these things are built way way better than all those cheapo (denon etc..) units, thats why cdjs are the industry standard. because they are bomb proof! sure you can get 2 denons for the price of this, but you can also buy 2 hyundais for the price of a beamer. i’ve been carting 1000s round and using them out at clubs for 10 years now and had to only send one in to get fixed once!! simply put, Pioneer makes the best cd players, hands down, period. thats why they are the industry standard, just like 1200′s were up untill a few years ago. when i book a top dj he/she always requres cdjs, so these are not going anywhere any time soon, they’ll be around for quite a while. a big reason is also because of convienience, it’s just not feasible to have to rewire the dj booth everytime the next dj goes on, if your having 3 djs play during the night and each one had there own combination of controllers, computers etc.. it would be a nightmare. having a couple of these linked together and just plugging in and playing is really great, plus you get pioneer quality. damn, i want 2 !!!

[quote comment="21668"]WTF?! Reasonable price for the huge amount of features but NO NTFS support for USB Harddrives? Is that some kind of joke or what?[/quote]

What kind of drugs are you people on? In order for NTFS to work properly, and for someone to be able to access it, you would need your SID from your windows account to be able to access the files on NTFS. That’s part of the built in security of NTFS. If someone gets your SID, then BAM! They have access to all your files on your computer. I don’t know about you, but I would like to keep my SID in the SAM Database on my PC. Besides that fact, FAT32 is interoperable between both Windows and Mac, so there is no problem transporting Music files from home, and having them play on the other DJs laptop because yours borked on the way over to the gig.

CDJ-2000 not needing the breakout box for TSP cuts down the spaghetti cables quite a bit. 1 USB, 1 Ethernet, Power, and the Digital Audio out from the CDJ is all you EVER need.

I own a pair, and I think I’ll order another 2….. they’re that good!

Ministry of Sound in London already has five of these hooked up in the main room and I fully expect for them to be industry standard. Most likely hooked up to the upcoming DJM2000 soon enough. Rocking up with just my laptop or even just a USB stick sounds peachy to me if it’s all already installed but probably not gonna get a pair for my bedroom!

i just have 1 thing to say…..i dunno who created the cdj 2000 but tis thing is just AWESOME!!!!!!!

Yeah CDJ2000 Rock!

DeRajj

First of all you FUCKERS That bitch ,cant afford these babies, secondly if it was priced lower than the 1000mk3 all you FUCKERS would be crying to by it

WTF Wake up and smell the flowers , these Pioneer Cdj 2000′s are going to become club standard wheather you like it or not

[quote comment="33142"]First of all you FUCKERS That bitch ,cant afford these babies, secondly if it was priced lower than the 1000mk3 all you FUCKERS would be crying to by it

WTF Wake up and smell the flowers , these Pioneer Cdj 2000′s are going to become club standard wheather you like it or not[/quote]

you so right jaydee its always the peeps who cant afford them players that cry day and night lol !!!

but if they were cheap as hell then pioneer is king

kooooll players though….

Way too much cash!

Hey! It’s massive and looks good. Hey other Dj’s should know that music equipment is expensive. The price is better than the nu mark HDX turntable. I want one and digital is art of state for the 21st century. Quote me the price…

this is my dream, but I do not think to realize this dream.
[MOLDOVA, Chisinau]

[...] Pioneer has just released their newest version, the CDJ 2000′s. For a very detailed review of the new CDJ 2000′s, check out DJTechTools review. [...]

COME ON GUYS STOP FIGHTING ABOUT WHOS THE BEST CDJ OUT THERE NOW
TO ME I KNOW CDJ2000 IS THE BEST NOW. AND JUST DEFFEND OF WHAT YOU NEED TO KEEP THE DANCE FLOOR GOING. THEY ALL CAN DO SAME BUT AS FAR OF QUALITY MORE OPTION I THINK CDJ2000 IS THE BOMB.
KEEP SPINNING DJ’S AND STOP HATIN……..

This is my dream

my big dream :’|but yah, where can i get 2k dollar :s

im getting them the end of the summer prob with the mixer 2 no more need for laptops thank god ex hard drive or usb stick

im getting them the end of the summer prob with the mixer 2 no more need for laptops thank god ex hard drive or usb stick

Lol any condition so hot that a macbook would crash is no place a dj should expect a dancefloor… at least a dancefloor that’s not on its needs begging for water and dying. Ive used my native instruments s4 in the hot arizona desert during the day and the cold dusty desert at night… any controller will work just fine in weather conditions that people are also dancing in. that being said, i have also used the new 2000′s and they are stunning :)

Lol any condition so hot that a macbook would crash is no place a dj should expect a dancefloor… at least a dancefloor that’s not on its needs begging for water and dying. Ive used my native instruments s4 in the hot arizona desert during the day and the cold dusty desert at night… any controller will work just fine in weather conditions that people are also dancing in. that being said, i have also used the new 2000′s and they are stunning :)

Lol any condition so hot that a macbook would crash is no place a dj should expect a dancefloor… at least a dancefloor that’s not on its needs begging for water and dying. Ive used my native instruments s4 in the hot arizona desert during the day and the cold dusty desert at night… any controller will work just fine in weather conditions that people are also dancing in. that being said, i have also used the new 2000′s and they are stunning :)

hi i have a qstn? first i have a traktor pro 2, a cdj 2000 yes one for now, a sound card 4&6 dj trim, i saw these video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vHDRdCsTQ0    , how can get these mapping or where to get it , or can be done ? please help im going nst tnks…

hi i have a qstn? first i have a traktor pro 2, a cdj 2000 yes one for now, a sound card 4&6 dj trim, i saw these video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vHDRdCsTQ0    , how can get these mapping or where to get it , or can be done ? please help im going nst tnks…

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