• Christopher McMahon

    want to make your own music?check-out http://www.iconic-prism-installation for the blueprint for electronic/dj music production.
    I am advertising my web-site which I believe offers a sound and complete system for the production of professional turntable music. The web-site is called “The Iconic Prism Installation”,found via google, and it offers the recreation of both the stave and octave for the exclusive use in turntable music production.Most notably the production of turntable music is I believe a founding attribute of the hugely successful Shine night held in Queens University Belfast, Northern Ireland. Shine has been an event that has offered all of the important names in turntable music production and I hope all of the acts will be as enthusiastic as I that a sound professional platform has been achieved via my work as DJ and media man. CHRISTOPHER MCMAHON BA(HONS) MEDIA STUDIESI do believe my installation should soon be worked into formal contracts between distributors and labels, labels and producers, encouraging a media subjectivity celebrating original music and a new musicological instrument.I hope that you and your people can assisst in enforcing/prescribing the web-site/installation in the production of every future example of club/dj music. Please respond to confirm that you have read this message. Thank you. Forward the revolution.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-start-as-a-dj Kat

    Cool DJ stuff, thanks!

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    Cool DJ stuff, thanks!

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    Cool DJ stuff, thanks!

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    Cool DJ stuff, thanks!

  • don

    OK where to start… as a DJ/Producer I have over 8 years experience in the industry. I have over 100 releases on vinyl and digital- singles, remixes, ep’s, full length albums, sample libraries, mix cd’s etc. Recently I decided to start my own label and boy was I in for a treat… the industry is completely money motivated and mostly focused on advertising -NOT music. Trust me, if you dont have a big name on your label + slick high dollar ad’s (art/photography/banners/networks etc.) -the exclusive “boutique” type retailers wont give you the time of day..even if you have killer, groundbreaking, professionally mastered, club tested new music -they wont accept it. In 2010 it truely is a mess.

    Rebeat: 99 euro upfront + 7 euro per release(+1 euro for each track above a single) + 15% of royalty (after the stores take 50% off the retail price of each unit is sold)= you wont make any money and actually most will be paying to have their songs online… + they dont do any promotion? This is a complete waste of time and money people. Also, Beatport has VERY strict guidelines for unknown artist/labels -getting on is difficult enough, but then you also need to sell atleast $500.USD per quarter or they’ll drop your label. Beatport only promotes top names/labels… with an occasional random indie label getting some ad space just to be “fair” or so they say. Which means that your releases get buried in the new release section… Unfortunately, from my experience working with many of the top distribution companies, stores ala Beatport etc. most of these people are quite frankly killing dance music by forcing artist/labels to follow their guidelines.. in turn creating the cookie cutter effect -every label looks similar, every song within each genre sounds similar etc… in the end indie labels and artist give up because they cant make any money to survive. Couple all of that with pirate p2p downloading and… basically new labels are completely fuct. Unless of course you have an inside friend who will blow somebody to get your label in the stores… that is exactly how shitty labels get onto the exclusive sites -THEY KNOW SOMEONE WHO WORKS THERE!!!

    I know what I am talking about…I have over 50 songs on Beatport and the other top retailers, around 40 of those have charted, with 20 or so in the top 25 overall charts and 2 top 10′ers in the last year… all on some of the most well known (and unknown) labels, remixes for some of their biggest selling names and yet after years of work still cannot get my new label thru the door. This because my label is new and “doesnt look like the others in the same genre -website, myspace, facebook etc.” even though I have over 100,000 hits on myspace alone, professional artwork/photography/banners etc. (which BTW cost me well over $2000.) because I only have myself and two other artist on the label roster -they suggest “commission more famous artist to do remixes on your label”… which would cost me $1000′s of additional dollars for each song… its a circle of money, 50% of sale price which the retailer keeps, of the other 50% 15-25% the distro keeps, 50% the label gets and of that label 50% the end artist only gets 25%.. so for a typical $2.00 song on Beatport -that is $00.25 cents for the label and $00.25 cents for the actual producer of the music. JOY!! Guess i’ll just have to keep releasing on other labels and collecting my $00.25 cents and wait until I get that #1 spot a few times or successfully bribe an employee before launching my label again. What a joke.

    My suggestion to new artist and labels – either save your money for gear, mastering and self promotion… submit your songs to only the top labels (you like) and wait for that #1 chart topper before trying to start a label. If you cant find a label to release your songs -THEN use Juno, Trackitdown and the other retailers that accept any music.. but believe me when I tell you that even with those sites -getting a song in the top ten chart will still only make you a couple $100. at most -if they ever pay you!!! Which is a whole other rant that I will spare you from reading today.

    OR- release vinyl records only. You wont make much if anything from sales, but it will put your label into a far smaller group of labels from which you will gain far more recognition and far less bullshit from the know it all exclusive digital distro/retailers. + for the most part you dont need to worry about p2p pirate downloads. That is really the only way to release music without compromising your vision.

    Just sayin… 8))

  • mike

    [quote comment=""]Rebeat even includes Beatport in its list, which surprises me because Rebeat lets anyone upload music, and Beatport is known for not accepting just any music indiscriminately.[/quote]

    Beatport doesn’t accept ANY uploads from Rebeat! Only electronic music of course and only if it’s “good”!

  • Harald Jacobsen

    wow thanks a bunch man, I’ve been trying to find out how to do this!

  • http://www.watunes.com Kevin Rivers

    Hi Markkus,

    Excellent article and thank you for giving WaTunes a mention. As Peter of Tunecore is stating, Its all about your approach. What would you like from your distributor? Do you want pay per album? per year? for free? Do you want your distributor to be exclusive? What if you want to cancel? Do you have to pay any upfront cancellation fees? What is the turnaround time for delivery? How fast will your distributor respond to your questions if you need help?

    All of these comes into play when you’re doing your homework on a distributor. As an end result, you should be more satisfied with your distributor’s services and be able to keep up long last relationship with them for the long haul. As Tony Pyleski of WaTunes mentioned, we’re creating a much more powerful service as we make our distribution turnkey solution one of our core components. For more information about what’s happening at WaTunes, check out our site, our blogs, and facebook. Let us know if you need anything at all as we’re here to help you succeed. :)

    Kevin Rivers
    CEO, WaTunes.com

  • Sophie

    Hi,

    does someone know anything about IODA? Because their homepage don´t say anything about them…

    Thanks,
    Sophie

  • http://www.tunecore.com Peter Wells

    Thanks for the article, great comparison! This is what I mean when I urge people to “do their homework.” Every service is different: use this article as a launching pad for your own investigation.

    First and foremost, look at every company’s Terms and Conditions. Do they take your rights? Is there any period of exclusivity? What if you want to cancel? How are payments made? And even more importantly, ask yourself what you want out of your distributor: you can be in zillions of stores, but if they don’t pay more than a penny or two a year, what are you giving up for that inclusion? If you consider a distributor that only goes to a few stores, why, and what do you get out of it?

    Thanks again, holler if you’ve any questions about TuneCore or the industry!

    –Peter
    peter@tunecore.com

  • http://www.djtechtools.com markkus

    [quote comment=""]RE: BeatPort and Rebeat

    I’ve received a reply from a gentleman named Siddhu who works with Rebeat:

    “Robert at REBEAT explained to me that the material that they send through to Beatport goes through a selection process to make sure that it is appropriate for Beatport – i.e. It’s not a reggae/pop/rock ballad for instance.
    He said there is an 85% success rate for getting stuff onto Beatport.”

    So there you go. With Rebeat, you have a possible, but not guaranteed, avenue into Beatport’s store. First Rebeat chooses what to send to Beatport and then Beatport decides what to accept. From this we can reasonably assume that Beatport trusts the taste of the Rebeat people, otherwise would they even bother accepting Rebeat’s submissions?

    but beatport has 8 or 4 weeks exclusive period. the tracks can only be in beatport then and nowhere else. how does it work with rebeat?[/quote]

    I know that the 4 or 8 week exclusive period exists in the agreement of some distributors, particularly SomeCutzUpAggregation.com, but Rebeat still insists that it has no such agreement with Beatport. I’ll try to find out from Beatport directly, but I have a strong inkling that the exclusive agreement is something that Beatport negotiates separately with certain distributors. Let’s face it, the caliber and reknown of the some of the artists on the site is high enough that it’s hard to imagine them all being bullied into a 1 or 2 month exclusive deal.

  • http://cartoonbeats.com haszari

    Great post – this is exactly what we did – there are no barriers to releasing your own music these days, so get in there and do it! Feel free to check out our stuff at http://cartoonbeats.com.

    For our first EP we used a local aggregator to get on iTunes and also used http://audiolife.com to have an embedded store.

    However, in the future we plan on using http://www.recordunion.com/, who have very reasonable costs and can get on lots and lots of stores, including all the important ones like eMusic, Juno, iTunes etc. So if you’re looking into selling mp3s, I recommend you take a look at Record Union.

  • http://pullup.it NZ

    Great article!

    But i have few questions:
    1) Payment. What do i need to get my money?
    2) Rights. What do i need to prove my rights for the tune?
    3) Is all this digital heaven availabe for Russian Musicians?

  • http://myspace.com/aout6 aout6

    [quote comment=""]RE: BeatPort and Rebeat

    I’ve received a reply from a gentleman named Siddhu who works with Rebeat:

    “Robert at REBEAT explained to me that the material that they send through to Beatport goes through a selection process to make sure that it is appropriate for Beatport – i.e. It’s not a reggae/pop/rock ballad for instance.
    He said there is an 85% success rate for getting stuff onto Beatport.”

    So there you go. With Rebeat, you have a possible, but not guaranteed, avenue into Beatport’s store. First Rebeat chooses what to send to Beatport and then Beatport decides what to accept. From this we can reasonably assume that Beatport trusts the taste of the Rebeat people, otherwise would they even bother accepting Rebeat’s submissions?[/quote]

    but beatport has 8 or 4 weeks exclusive period. the tracks can only be in beatport then and nowhere else. how does it work with rebeat?

  • http://www.djtechtools.com markkus

    RE: BeatPort and Rebeat

    I’ve received a reply from a gentleman named Siddhu who works with Rebeat:

    “Robert at REBEAT explained to me that the material that they send through to Beatport goes through a selection process to make sure that it is appropriate for Beatport – i.e. It’s not a reggae/pop/rock ballad for instance.
    He said there is an 85% success rate for getting stuff onto Beatport.”

    So there you go. With Rebeat, you have a possible, but not guaranteed, avenue into Beatport’s store. First Rebeat chooses what to send to Beatport and then Beatport decides what to accept. From this we can reasonably assume that Beatport trusts the taste of the Rebeat people, otherwise would they even bother accepting Rebeat’s submissions?

  • http://WaTunes.com Tony Pytleski

    markkus,

    Thank you for the mention. You wrote a great article. It’s musicians like yourself that will help our company succeed. WaTunes is an amazing idea and company and am glad to be apart of it. WaTunes N.E. will launch as expected and we have very, very high expectations for it. I hope all of you give us a try, we will be the best at what we do. If anybody has any direct questions/comments/concerns email them to info@watunes.com and we’ll take care of them for you.

    Tony Pytleski
    VP, http://www.watunes.com
    tonypytleski@watunes.com

  • Vinicius Hoffmann [Brazil]

    [quote]Vinicius:
    TuneCore and WaTunes make available iTunes Trending Reports, which show you where the people live who are buying your music. But I’m pretty sure that the iTunes Store is not available in Brazil yet–is it? I will try to follow up with Rebeat about this.[/quote]

    Its available since Itunes version 7.7, but I dont use it…
    We dont have many people that buy music from stores, we have a very high p2p population instead…

  • http://www.djtechtools.com markkus

    [quote comment=""]Again very nice article markkus!
    There is anyway to see how many Brazilian IPs accessing and buying on these stores per/day?
    Like a Country Graph of access or something?
    If there is, please include on the original post, it would be nice. :)[/quote]
    Vinicius:
    TuneCore and WaTunes make available iTunes Trending Reports, which show you where the people live who are buying your music. But I’m pretty sure that the iTunes Store is not available in Brazil yet–is it? I will try to follow up with Rebeat about this.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sebastianese Alien2k

    I remember I read something on rebeat that they dont guarantee that all your tracks will be on beatport. I think that there is a catch with the beatport thing. There is also believedigital.com who offers a similar service

  • Vinicius Hoffmann [Brazil]

    Again very nice article markkus!
    There is anyway to see how many Brazilian IPs accessing and buying on these stores per/day?
    Like a Country Graph of access or something?
    If there is, please include on the original post, it would be nice. :)

  • judeson

    Well, time to get some stuff copyrighted. :)

  • http://www.myspace.com/tooltablist Mudo

    Good article!

  • http://myspace.com/aout6 aout6

    and one question. how does rebeat get your/your small labels tracks to BEATPORT? and do they actually do that?

  • http://myspace.com/aout6 aout6

    thanks! useful info as i’m looking for distributors at the moment :)

  • http://bradcee.byethost8.com/ BradCee

    i’ve been using Juno Download on and off for the last couple of years, admittedly they sizable chunk of the proceeds, but no cost for the service and you can pick when the tracks go live.
    Though it is just that one site that it goes up on, but there are quite a few you can do it with, just tell them your a label and you’re away. I also used Track It Down in the same way, but prefer the Juno ‘Label Management System’ page so most stuff on there.

  • djerikt

    Amazing article with a wealth of info. Thanks for the post, gonna jump on these.