I say few ads placed on the right column of your website won’t do much harm.. You could have Vestax and Native Instruments advertise for starters.. It’s true that it will be a challenge critiquing their products, but I notice that you’ve been quite delicate in criticizing products, so I guess there’s really no harm to it..

hi, well i feel that as long as the ads are not agressively intrusive, it should be implemented, i mean runnig a website cost a lof of money. Besides as DJTT grows bigger and bigger the need for faster servers and others servcies can be quite taxing.
i guess its as you grow in terms of traffic for a website you ll have to depend more on ads revenue.
i dont see nothing wrong with it as long as its not popping out everywhere every 30seconds on my screen and its not that agressive.

jd

If you can’t take their money, and still write that their product sucks (if it actually does), you don’t belong in the business.

Just kidding.

Advertising has never bugged me, just keep it simple and non-distracting. Other than that, gotta do what you gotta do.

Personally I am very much against the ads. I have been a part of community websites that have turned to ads in a similar manor and it’s never really had a positive outcome :<

As soon as you have people paying for ads on the site they have an influence on it's content. Also it's just distracting.

If money is an issue I would much prefer you to try out donations before this advertising, I know I would be willing to make some small payments to keep this community clean and independent of the corporations!.

What ever you do don’t take any marketing advice from the “DJ Mouse” folks…

I noticed your new “random” add banners in the forum and don’t worry – i don’t find them intrusive. I visit loads and loads of other communities where the situation is much worse. Making it decent is actually way to do it IMO.

Of course, site without 3rd party ads is my wet dream, but this is no biggie.

The ads are a bit of an eyesore compared to the old site where everything was just simple and clean. But at least these ads don’t flash or have annoying animated sequences to them. Those are the ones that I hate and despise and can break a website. If you find it possible to maintain the community without ads then so be it, ads free the way to be and keep up the good work!

Not a fan of the ads in the forum. Truth be told, I thought it was posters trying to score a quick buck by including banners in their signatures.

It’d be a shame to see ads on the site, but I suppose you have to pay the bills somehow.

I wonder if you could set up a deal with distributors or retailers, and have a new section in the forum dedicated to those who support the site. Maybe not necessarily give deals to the DJTT community, but anytime a product advertised in this new forum section is purchased, you score a percentage seeing as the traffic through here brings them the sale?

Also, I imagine scoring the black replacement knobs and faders would drum up some more business *nudge nudge; wink wink*

Yea, puts some adds, no worries, I don’t care it will not be those pop up adds on full screen, you need to close every time.

Well, the first thing I usually install in a browser is an ad-blocker (because ads have gone overboard long time ago). For that reason, I didn’t even notice your test run :P So for actually having an idea, I switched the blocker off. The first thing I noticed is that on this slow connection, loading time of the forum page went up by at least 2x (d1.openx.org was taking forever). When it loaded, I think the ads aren’t as annoying as they could be. I think they would be okay as long as they advertise stuff that doesn’t end up on your review table. Though, as long as your financing is okay with the webstore, *I* wouldn’t do ads.
Now for the webstore, what I’d really like to see is a custom controller. I’ve been looking for a good way to do 4 decks for ages (with separate controls for each – having everything symmetrical), and the only thing I found so far is 4 EKS XP-10. That goes pretty much in the right direction IMHO, but lacks FX controls on each of them and some sort of central controller for track selection, crossfading and linefading. Coming up with something like that (even together with EKS or someone else) would be the BOMB! Finally a modular controller where each represents a deck and whatever else goes with it…

ey ian. a few ads would be good. just focus on getting companies that don’t necessarily sell dj products. i would suggest focusing on companies that aid the dj community as well such as booking agencies, record labels or uploading services like mixupload or similar. this way you still get to focus on what the community was all about and at the same time pay the bills. no manufacturer clashes.

i agree its very intrusive the way things are on the forum atm. in terms of dropping some adds in the sidebar. i know we have some plans for new features for the sidebar, so real estate is tight. if at all, i would say we should go with a generic advertiser and not direct a agreements, this way DJTT stays more independent and has less to worry about loosing a key ad deal because of a negative review.

Hell no, BRING THE ADS! You guys work hard on this blog and should be compensated for to the fullest amount! Just keep the ads and placement tasteful! Create Digital Music does just fine with ads and I don’t think anyone complains about them having ads.

also all the envato websites have very tasteful ads as well. look at audio.tutsplus.com and psd.tutsplus.com nuff said. JUST NO POPUPS PLEASE!

I think a little advertising doesn’t harm the site. Besides, the argument that you’ll need to be more delicate when reviewing products, advertised on the site is quite frankly a load of horse pucky. Good quality reviews will help building up traffic for your website, and that’s the only thing advertiser really care about.

Also, the extra money from ads will increase the possibilities for the site. Think of sponsored competitions. This will increase the interaction with the community, so basicially produces a win-win situation.

But that’s just my opinion ;)

I wouldn’t mind unobtrusive ads, as long as they don’t dominate over the real content.
And I guess if you sell advertising here, you might be able to run new contests, etc. So it is indeed a win-win )

if its benefits the users / readers its okay to advertise… i think..

Sheers from sweden.

I think stylish advertisment like the ones you have on DJTT store produce on the right hand side would work fine with other companies! However, I feel the ones on the forum threads make the site look fairly cheap. I’m realy not feelin them at all.

Hope my view isn’t taken too harsh, I’m not trying to be a moaning forum reader.

Cheers.

I used to run a club music site heavily focusing on the community and today I work at the biggest media group in Estonia.

It all really comes down to the needs of DJTT staff. If more money is needed to keep the site running, then income has to be found. If there isn’t really big need for it, then using random ads at random times wouldn’t be great.

Selling ads is not bad at all. Actually, if dealt with care, this can be beneficial to readers as well. I’m actually surprised there aren’t many websites (or online mags if you prefer) really focusing on DJ technology. DJTT is amazing in what it is doing but even in a DJ market, DJTT is in a niche.

By saying that I mean, that relevant ads on the site also add value to readers. New product announcements, good prices or what ever advertised carry a bit of information itself.

Advertising a product and then criticizing it is of course a bit tricky but in a professional world, there is a difference between editorial and paid content. Even if a small company is pissed after saying his products are crap, the majority of readers will appreciate the honesty and eventually, even the advertiser will because it really needs to be where his clients are – here.

To sum it up – selling ads is good if it’s done nicely. And by nice I mean taking care of the selling process in-house and not to rely too much on ad networks which are mostly just computers selling impressions.

GOod luck with everything!

if it helps djtechtools then go for it. the ads dont bug me unless they pop up and take over the page.

[quote comment=""]if it helps djtechtools then go for it. the ads dont bug me unless they pop up and take over the page.[/quote]

If it’s needed, go for it. If you could make the site self sufficient, that’d be cool. Think about how much other stuff you could do…

Just don’t advertise the chick in my area who want’s to do me tonight unless it’s for real!

You guys have a great website and deserve a little extra scratch for all your hard work. I agree with Sagar, advertising products which you continually speak about isn’t a bad thing especially since you seem to be supporting them anyhow. Having a banner for NI’s Traktor or Vestax seems like a win win situation to me.

Cheers!

Just do it !!! advertise on top banner o alow pop up as long as it dosent become a ad site but open up to the $$$ to optimize you’re power to offer more imaginative and performance tool to you’re community and always inform the people that advertise tha techtool is free of mind an can even give a bad review on th stuff they add. Win Win situation for everybody even us.

Pay your bills man you done so much already. I like to see DJTECHTOOLS around for a longtime.

THANKS,

DOWN|3E4T

[quote comment="21072"]If you can’t take their money, and still write that their product sucks (if it actually does), you don’t belong in the business.

Just kidding.

Advertising has never bugged me, just keep it simple and non-distracting. Other than that, gotta do what you gotta do.[/quote]
[quote comment=""]Pay your bills man you done so much already. I like to see DJTECHTOOLS around for a longtime.

THANKS,

DOWN|3E4T[/quote]

+1

I don’t think some advertising will stop me from coming to the DJTT site. What this site has to offer is to important to let it bother me.

I agree with the majority.

I’m assuming there are a a lot (not all) of younger people on this site. The same people who are the least likely to donate, speaking from experience.

As long as you stay away from pop-up ads and use common sense on placement and content you should be golden. The useful content you produce here far out ways the annoyance of seeing an ad here and there.

For me, it depends on how DJTT handles the dilemma…

Is it possible to be objective and take money from the big companies?

Advertising is fine. I don’t see it distracting from provining great content to readers.

-Rob Ticho

Yes, why not put ads, due to your TSi and firmware updates and overLay i have purchased an upgrade to TR Pro, This was indirect add to me. If you could get financial support from NI it could be good for DJTT. Also i linked Ableton Live8 To TR Pro due to one of your articles. Even after the whoe bad list of comments of the DJ mouse, this is another toy i would like to try, just $80 ain’t gonna kill my wallet. Same with the headPhone article. It will increase the sale for some products. It is all indirect advertising. Why not create an income out of this….

I dislike the idea of advertisment on DJTT. The Forum-Test was quite bad IMHO, so if by any chance you can keep the site advertisement-free I would greatly appreciate it. I do understand the need to pay servers etc.- and really like the idea of getting certain hardware-stores to give you a bonus when someone buys sth. there and followed a link from here. However I think it’ll be difficult given the diversity of homecountries of DJTT-Readers. Still, would really like to continue have a nice clean DJTT ;)

I think your ads should not impact on your reviews and critics.
If you start to make some money with the ads, you should care about not selling yourself to your advertisors, DJ Tech Tools needs the imparciality to review gears and stuff.
The decision about advertise or not needs to come from djtechtools staff, but keep that in mind.

[quote comment="21105"]Yes, why not put ads, due to your TSi and firmware updates and overLay i have purchased an upgrade to TR Pro, This was indirect add to me. If you could get financial support from NI it could be good for DJTT. Also i linked Ableton Live8 To TR Pro due to one of your articles. Even after the whoe bad list of comments of the DJ mouse, this is another toy i would like to try, just $80 ain’t gonna kill my wallet. Same with the headPhone article. It will increase the sale for some products. It is all indirect advertising. Why not create an income out of this….[/quote]

DJTT should not create a income out of this because the reviews and articles should not be tendencious to make you buy something, they should be correct and fair to us (readers), otherwise the community will lose trust on DJTT.

As long as the articles/reviews stay objective and honest i dont mind advertising at all. Besides that it would be great if the advertising money makes it possible for djtt to invent/create more cool products.

I disagree with what most people are saying above.
I don’t think you can advertise items you review as it will bring into question the integrity of the review.
Whether or not you actually write a biased review is irrelevent – some people will think items are getting good reviews just because they advertise on the site.

The companies that would want to advertise on here are ones that target the readers – mainly digital dj’s.
So instead of advertising gear why not advertise digital downloads?

If you got a percentage based on click-through’s then I’m sure anyone who is a member of djtechtools would be happy to click a banner taking them to beatport, traxsource or whoever when they buy their music.

Make them relevant, non-intrusive and not about “penis enlargement pills” and “university diplomas in 3 days” and you are good to go. :p

Remember to fully maximize the partnership besides the advertise money is doing something more useful to us the users like a monthly 10% discount on whatever item or a chance to win a shirt or sticker… stuff like that. Remember that users are the people giving hits to this website (and therefore value to ads) and while some people dont care about ads, some others really do care and are nitpicky about it. So it could be a (cost efficient) way to give back something to the community.

Also making some contests where you can win prizes (shirt or a VCI skin or whatever you may have lyin around…) would be cool. For example: putting a DJTT sticker on a cool/weird/unique place and taking a picture then voting, making the best banner, referral system, even doing a DJTT theme song, making a munny (or some other vinyl toy) with a DJTT theme… I have like a zillion more ideas ;P

A few ads, a-la facebook, non-intrusive in the side column are welcome. The side column already feels a bit cluttered to me, so if adding a few advertisements will help get a few more articles and instructional videos out, I’m all for it.

It seems like even though products are reviewed its not the central focus of the site anyway. Keep the reviews honest, people buy equipment that gets bad reviews all the time anyway, and the advertising will only benefit the whole of the site.

Simple and non-distracting advertising is a very delicate balance as Ean has pointed out.

If it is indeed possible (the way it’s being tried in the forums seems to have struck that balance), and if that still pays the bills, problem solved. End of story.

However if that non-distracting add is not paying for the bills, here’s my suggestion.

Do what our computer club used to do back in the university days.

Charge the members a nominal fee, such as “the price of 1 can of coke at Safeway”. Seriously. If everyone paid appx $1 a year -through PayPal, if security and payment setup complexities is a concern- this site would be supported by members, and owned by members, as opposed to advertisers.

If we are all in this business, we should be able to pay a nominal fee to have a quality forum/community.

Subscription to DJmag runs for ~ $100, just as an example.

An MP3 costs around $1.

This site is worth our attention guys.

Cheers

Ads are fine. For all the hard work, the crew deserves some real profit. I think if you ran them down the side like/under the areas of interest, they will be in sight for those who are curious and out of sight for those that don’t.

Eans Products over ad’s anyday.

STOCK THAT STORE.

I meant to say “…for those that aren’t.” The Facebook comparison is a great one who also has their ads on the side.

I to thought the ads in the forum were in signatures of the users. Not to big of a fan of them in there.

However I do agree that running a site takes allot of money and time; how do you do it and keep the ideals of the community strong?

The suggestions on well placed adds is a good one IMO. Ones no to intrusive kinda like on createdigitalmusic.com.
I visit this site on a daily basis and find the adds to be not so intrusive by not interrupting the flow of the article / thread you may be reading at the time. Between articles works great so that you skip over them if you’re not interested.

I am all for well placed advertising

Another option, beyond just selling ad space, is getting a sort of partnership with a specific retailer, a la Tweakheadz. They only allow gear advertising through ZZounds, but whenever someone purchases through that retailer by clicking through the site they get a commission. So, it could be as simple as having a small ad or something to Guitar Center, or Turntable Lab, or ZZounds or what have you, in the corner, and if someone purchases through that link then DJTT gets a cut. It might restrict you to only putting links up to that site for gear links, but it could be a good way to get a small stream of income.

All in all, the ads don’t bother me as long as they are tasteful. Right now they are. Anything more than this and I’d be very discouraged.

Charging members is the fastest way to kill this site.

Banner ads are great as long as they are for products I would be interested in, and – most importantly – as long as they don’t slow down the site.

I love gear, so seeing ads for it is actually kind of nice.

I wouldn’t worry about it skewing your reviews. Big music magazines have advertisers and many of them still manage to offer objective reviews.

Put some adds of NI and Vestax to try first !!

Any time I meet some one who use’s Traktor or a vci I always point them towards this great site, apart from telling them the obvious reasons why they NEED to pay a visit, the fact there’s no advertising normally gets a mention. Yes it does give the site a refreshing feel from the norm, but apart from reasons stated in the post, at the end of the day it’s just cool thing to be able to say.

How ever Techtools obviously attracts plenty of attention now, so why shouldn’t you reap benefits for all the hard work you’ve done for the digital dj community!

It’s pretty clear every one feels the same and the fact that you guys all know what your doing, I’m shore any advertising will be tasteful well placed and more importantly keep this site going in the right direction.

Keep up great work Techtools, feel the dj love

I think everyone has said it pretty well. As long as the ads are not gratuitous or intrusive, it’s fine. Just avoid popups, flashy banners, and those banners that expand when you hover your cursor over them!

Agreed ads are fine as long as not intrusive. I think realistically, charging subscription wouldn’t work. Although, djtt is obviously worth a small subscription, you need to be able to discover the site for free and if you landed on the site and had to pay, the community growth would slow right down.

More products with some ad support would be the ideal choice. Kind of as it is, but with more products and stocked store.

I think music downloads and discounts on products works too…

I would say that its really up to you. the more time you spend selecting appropriate adds for you website you could be spending developing your quality custom made products. especially since you already have such high demand. Maybe in one area of the website you can put one banner area for an add maybe at the bottow or side, but don’t cover your DJTechtools logo.
Cheers from Montreal

First and foremost, the fact you (Ean) have even asked for this communities opinion already is a huge plus.

Second, I would really think it’s up to the core founder’s of this site/community. If the site needs the ad dollars to run then so be it. I don’t think anyone in the current community will mind. However, the drawback of that would lie within bringing in new members. I know that I myself don’t tend to stay attached to websites that are heavy with ads. However, the quality of the articles and tips is far to great to stay away from.

So really it’s up to you. One thing though, coming from a professional graphic design for about 8 years. Keep them classy. The current site is tasteful with a limited color scheme. Adding ad’s would ad visual noise and the eye tends to gravitate to new colors that we are not familiar with the site. So I would say if you do result to ad’s keep them in low saturation, or do a duotone. Nothing would suck more than reading a great article with some bright magenta thing flashing and grabbing my peripheral vision.

Thrid, I would love to see other types of mappings with overlays. I know I am currently working on some with the Korg Nano’s. Although it doesn’t seem like it’s worth investing heavily on them because they may not be as powerful as other controllers. They are hugely popular and almost every digital dj has purchased one and new digital dj’s are flocking to them. Thus, making a it a win, for make a custom mapping, with overlay or some sort of modded system where you use all 3 or 2 in a custom casing. Let’s not forget that it becomes more affordable than the vci100 SE which means more purchases due to it’s budget price

I’d also liked to buy other gear, like hubs, bags, that are branded with the djtechtools logo. Not for the logo per say, but for the recommendation from Ean or anyone else in the community.

Good luck with your decision. No matter what this community will stay strong and keep growing.

Best from the city of Lost Angels.

I think ads are alright. But maybe loose the banners and instead have some google text ads.

I say advertise. You have given us such a great FREE resource and we have all learned a lot from you and the other contributers. I think offsetting the costs (time and money) of running this site should be rewarded.
Stick to banners and google sense ads, no pop ups.

As a webmaster myself, I know what it takes to run a site. I know that ads are never the route one wants to take, however it sometimes is the only path left to travel. If the ads help you bring us more products by decreasing your expenditure on overhead and allow for more R&D, I think the benefits far outweigh the harm.

I think we should all view this as utilitarianism, as the ad revenue would give this community a contribution to overall utility. For the greater good gentlemen… and gentleladies.

I think this question depends on the future goals of DJTT. What services do you hope to provide? What is the largest amount of traffic you could see the site drawing in the future? Sometimes bigger is not always better because of the extra overhead and administrative chores. I honestly think you should stick to the blog topics of digital DJing tricks/tutorials, with gear reviews, and occasionally industry news. The DJ tricks/tutorials are where you seem to have the upperhand. I would say to expand upon that by bringing on more writers/DJs that use other forms to DJ (software, controllers and hardware). There are so many DJs out there doing interesting stuff that could inspire readers to think outside the box and to test their wildest ideas.

I think by focusing on this unique niche you can be the best and excel even more with your readership while still maintaining great quality control.

In re to ads, it doesn’t appear that advertising is needed at the moment. I would say hold out another year and continue to grow. It will only allow you to ask for more in revenue when the time comes to deal with marketing relations. If adding more writers or features to the sign will draw too much funds from the bank then a small advertising campaign of static splash imagines in the margins will suffice. No flash, pop-ups, or unrelated advertising should be allowed.

Thanks!

i agree the ads in the forum are a little distracting, but i visit other blogs that put ads on the sides and inbetween blog posts…and they don’t bother me at all. i’ve even seen ads that actually interested me.

however, i value the reviews on this site and I wouldn’t want anything to take away from that.

as for the products…i would def support if the right stuff came along. i’m not a TSP user, so a lot of the stuff isn’t for me. but i am loyal to djtt and i’d be down to point my bank card your way for the right pieces of kit :D

There are other sites that review products that have ads…

I always wonder what the reviews would be like if they weren’t supported by ads.

Ean and co. created a site in support of a movement.

This movement is ours, not the product makers. So why shouldn’t we be the ones to support it?

Maybe make DJTT private with a small membership fee to enter.

I have learned a lot here like so many of us.

I don’t want to see it become tainted or warped into something ugly.

Just my .02

Hey if it pays the bills…

the banners are awful. I cut down on forum usage because the banners. Will stick to just the blog from now on.

The forum has way too many OT:

[quote comment="21091"]It all really comes down to the needs of DJTT staff. If more money is needed to keep the site running, then income has to be found. …

Selling ads is not bad at all. Actually, if dealt with care, this can be beneficial to readers as well. I’m actually surprised there aren’t many websites (or online mags if you prefer) really focusing on DJ technology. DJTT is amazing in what it is doing but even in a DJ market, DJTT is in a niche.

By saying that I mean, that relevant ads on the site also add value to readers. New product announcements, good prices or what ever advertised carry a bit of information itself.

To sum it up – selling ads is good if it’s done nicely….[/quote]

Completely agree! As long as they aren’t seizure inducing because they are that flashy, or completely annoying, or cause pop-ups, then go for it. I would love to say that the store could completely fund the site, but in all honesty, because they are such specialized products, I don’t know if that’s possible. Or even better, a small fee to have all advertising removed for “Premium” members, but non-premiums still see the advertising. I’ve seen that used millions of times and it seems to be successful.

i barely notice the adds in the forum. i think as long as it’s kept within reason nobody will mind. we don’t expect you to run this place for free!

Having a few ads won’t hurt. It pays the bills just stay away from these stupid ads that say click the button to see if you can do pushups quicker then the computer or something stupid like that. Ads from companies like Native, Serato, or anything that deals with djing or equipment that we could use. Example, I love the Article about Mono EFX good company to have advertising here. I’m gonna buy one now.

well, if you’re looking for webstore ideas, ive been drooling for a midifighter for a while now. Just saying…

Having a few well placed ads is a good idea and the bottom line is your borttom line. If it dont make dollars it dont make sense. Websites need advertising to help offset cost, in todays economy there is nothing off limits.

I would just agree with ads if the product is worth for. Before buying my VCI 100 and firmware I read all articles in Dj TT and that’s make the difference. People belives in what you say.

YES for adds. We know you need it.

Hello Every Professional Dj, Hello Ean.

our brand: DJ-Tech, is a chinese brand as our headquarter is in Hong Kong and our fty in China …. which is the case of all the products, hardware, that you have.

We are talking about money, so Ean asking if he can put some adds keeping his integrity.
he mentioned in the djmouse add, that is he is consultant, and not working as an endorsee for vestax or any brand.
Priscilia said she wanted to get some product with the djtech tools brand.
we as a maker, we offer to EAN GOLDEN the possibility to make the dream controller or bags, headphones, faders, stomp box, etc … we already owned half of the name: Dj-Tech , tools has to be added , half of the way is done already.
more seriously, we will be happy to work on this kind of project, a kind of open project to all djs , each time the project definition has some info, djtechtools will post it to get dj comments , professional dj comments, this controller will be YOUR CONTROLLER, lets say that will satisfy majority of you.
Ean will be the project leader, he will get money from that, Dj-Tech will earn money, as he will be the maker, the product will be only availble on Dj-Tech tools, so all the chain of retailers will be skipped letting djs this amount of money.
professional dj will get the controller that they want:
designed by a community of professinal dj , and for the professional dj community.
Linux against microsoft ….

Ean, if you are posting this add about adding ad = about money,
means your consultancy job is not getting you enough cash.
as the company you are dealing with need to give profits to his retailers, their offices around the world, etc …

GIVE the chance to Djs to get straight to the source.

as a maker, i do appreciate integrity, even you had killed our mouse for the pro market, even that product is not forecasted to be use by pro dj, i will be happy to pay for an add.

we will even not put any advertisement of this dream controller in order to save cost.

Welcome for your comments.

I would also like to see the site add free but if it means closing the site or getting ads, Get the ads but make sure it is done classy like the rest of the site.Last thing i want is stuff all over the place.
But i guess its up to u tin the long run.
Choose wiseley DDTT

no problem with ads. just NO popups please!

dude… MAKE BANK IF YOU CAN … Digital DJing blogs are only going to be prime for a short time.. i run a music store and our traffic sucks. if My online store was on your site we’d be hooked. thats all im saying.. I wish it was.

How about setting up a paypal account for donations to keep djtechtools free? There were so many posts I didn’t read many, sorry if this has already been suggested.

[quote comment="21147"]Hello Every Professional Dj, Hello Ean.

our brand: DJ-Tech, is a chinese brand as our headquarter is in Hong Kong and our fty in China …. which is the case of all the products, hardware, that you have.

We are talking about money, so Ean asking if he can put some adds keeping his integrity.
he mentioned in the djmouse add, that is he is consultant, and not working as an endorsee for vestax or any brand.
Priscilia said she wanted to get some product with the djtech tools brand.
we as a maker, we offer to EAN GOLDEN the possibility to make the dream controller or bags, headphones, faders, stomp box, etc … we already owned half of the name: Dj-Tech , tools has to be added , half of the way is done already.
more seriously, we will be happy to work on this kind of project, a kind of open project to all djs , each time the project definition has some info, djtechtools will post it to get dj comments , professional dj comments, this controller will be YOUR CONTROLLER, lets say that will satisfy majority of you.
Ean will be the project leader, he will get money from that, Dj-Tech will earn money, as he will be the maker, the product will be only availble on Dj-Tech tools, so all the chain of retailers will be skipped letting djs this amount of money.
professional dj will get the controller that they want:
designed by a community of professinal dj , and for the professional dj community.
Linux against microsoft ….

Ean, if you are posting this add about adding ad = about money,
means your consultancy job is not getting you enough cash.
as the company you are dealing with need to give profits to his retailers, their offices around the world, etc …

GIVE the chance to Djs to get straight to the source.

as a maker, i do appreciate integrity, even you had killed our mouse for the pro market, even that product is not forecasted to be use by pro dj, i will be happy to pay for an add.

we will even not put any advertisement of this dream controller in order to save cost.

Welcome for your comments.[/quote]
[quote comment=""]How about setting up a paypal account for donations to keep djtechtools free? There were so many posts I didn’t read many, sorry if this has already been suggested.[/quote]

Hey DJTech,

Some ideas for your company:

A dream controller would be a product with the quality of a VCI-100/300 (as in the jog wheels, knobs, faders) containing all buttons/knobs/faders to control all the variables in Traktor for 2 decks.. Add in a lot of “extra” buttons/knobs for our macro midi usage (like the Xone 1D).. Pitch faders should be longer than the VCI-100 for sure (Technics 1200 pitch fader length would be great)..Add in accurate VU meters (like the one on the DJM-800) for each channel.. and lastly it should look great.. take the xone 4D LED design as reference.. It would be really cool to have knobs that change colors when turned (as a means of indication)..

Headphones – Design-wise – something like the HDJ-2000 – durable, comfortable
Sound-wise – improve on the HDJ2000

DJ Bag – A bag that’s a little bit taller than the UDG producer bag would be really great.. add in a Solar Powered panel, so users can charge their mp3 players, phones, laptops on the go..

I would pay top dollar for all these items..

[quote comment=""][quote comment="21147"]Hello Every Professional Dj, Hello Ean.

our brand: DJ-Tech, is a chinese brand as our headquarter is in Hong Kong and our fty in China …. which is the case of all the products, hardware, that you have.

We are talking about money, so Ean asking if he can put some adds keeping his integrity.
he mentioned in the djmouse add, that is he is consultant, and not working as an endorsee for vestax or any brand.
Priscilia said she wanted to get some product with the djtech tools brand.
we as a maker, we offer to EAN GOLDEN the possibility to make the dream controller or bags, headphones, faders, stomp box, etc … we already owned half of the name: Dj-Tech , tools has to be added , half of the way is done already.
more seriously, we will be happy to work on this kind of project, a kind of open project to all djs , each time the project definition has some info, djtechtools will post it to get dj comments , professional dj comments, this controller will be YOUR CONTROLLER, lets say that will satisfy majority of you.
Ean will be the project leader, he will get money from that, Dj-Tech will earn money, as he will be the maker, the product will be only availble on Dj-Tech tools, so all the chain of retailers will be skipped letting djs this amount of money.
professional dj will get the controller that they want:
designed by a community of professinal dj , and for the professional dj community.
Linux against microsoft ….

Ean, if you are posting this add about adding ad = about money,
means your consultancy job is not getting you enough cash.
as the company you are dealing with need to give profits to his retailers, their offices around the world, etc …

GIVE the chance to Djs to get straight to the source.

as a maker, i do appreciate integrity, even you had killed our mouse for the pro market, even that product is not forecasted to be use by pro dj, i will be happy to pay for an add.

we will even not put any advertisement of this dream controller in order to save cost.

Welcome for your comments.[/quote]
[quote comment=""]How about setting up a paypal account for donations to keep djtechtools free? There were so many posts I didn’t read many, sorry if this has already been suggested.[/quote]

Hey DJTech,

Some ideas for your company:

A dream controller would be a product with the quality of a VCI-100/300 (as in the jog wheels, knobs, faders) containing all buttons/knobs/faders to control all the variables in Traktor for 2 decks.. Add in a lot of “extra” buttons/knobs for our macro midi usage (like the Xone 1D).. Pitch faders should be longer than the VCI-100 for sure (Technics 1200 pitch fader length would be great)..Add in accurate VU meters (like the one on the DJM-800) for each channel.. and lastly it should look great.. take the xone 4D LED design as reference.. It would be really cool to have knobs that change colors when turned (as a means of indication)..

Headphones – Design-wise – something like the HDJ-2000 – durable, comfortable
Sound-wise – improve on the HDJ2000

DJ Bag – A bag that’s a little bit taller than the UDG producer bag would be really great.. add in a Solar Powered panel, so users can charge their mp3 players, phones, laptops on the go..

I would pay top dollar for all these items..[/quote]

Advertise.

Get the money, you really deserve it after all the hard and escellent work you share with the community.

Ads don’t bother me on other sites (don’t see/read them basically), don’t see a reason why they should bother me on Djtechtools.

That won’t compromise at all the quality of DJTT.
Wether you’re paid or not by Vestax doesn’t bother me at all. my experience with my VCi100 would simply not have been the same without your input.
I’m a bedroom dj, that makes me very happy. Maybe I wouldn’t be without DJTT.

Get the money, get the glory and long life DJTT.

[quote comment="21080"]ey ian. a few ads would be good. just focus on getting companies that don’t necessarily sell dj products. i would suggest focusing on companies that aid the dj community as well such as booking agencies, record labels or uploading services like mixupload or similar. this way you still get to focus on what the community was all about and at the same time pay the bills. no manufacturer clashes.[/quote]

I’ve got to agree here, but opening the floodgates to advertising will cause some issues with the content of the site. I’d hate to see a goodhearted, serious-about-the-music newcomer stumble upon this treasure trove of information and support and find him/herself confused if the ads and articles don’t match up.

I was this same type of newcomer at one time, and all that I have learned here has catapulted me forward in my dj ‘career,’ but if I had to sort through the ads, I would have felt like this was just a commercial site that wasn’t truly all about the music, and I probably wouldn’t be here today.

I LOVE the purity of this site and all that it stands for, but I understand that bills don’t discriminate. Bring on the ads, yes, but just bring them in for the ancillary services (like booking agencies and record labels), and leave the technical input to the guys who know what they’re really talking about (you).

RIP DJ AM

its ok to put a few ads on this blog… i think none of us will get annoyed as long as its not a flash ads which takes longer time to load this site… go ahead love and support from us.

Thanks for all the great feedback everyone- as usual the support and enthusiasm you provide are top notch. Lots of excellent suggestions on ways we can make advertising work or other alternatives that should be considered. I am 100% confident we can continue to keep the site advertising free and figure out ways to improve the community without taking advertising dollars.

As several of you pointed out, ads and news about dj products are usually a good thing because you get exposed to more possible products and ideas. Unfortunately, our tiny staff does not have time to give all companies and their products equal access to this page. That will all change very soon however, as I think we have come up with a way to give all companies democratized access to get their information out, help pay for the blog and not fill the pages with ads. More on this exciting concept soon!

Thanks again everyone for your great feedback and continued support. We have seen our traffic grow 1000% in the past year and managed to still keep that small local blog feel largely thanks to you.

im against it but then again i prolly would just to keep more money in my pocket you know? i think that maybe you should write up a contract where djtechtools can choose when and where the ads are located what types of ads and also have the ability to cancel the ads as well kinna like a month to month basis instead of a 3-4 year contract with these companies

[quote comment="21077"]Not a fan of the ads in the forum. Truth be told, I thought it was posters trying to score a quick buck by including banners in their signatures.
[/quote]

exacttly what i thought at first too…

how about making and selling more indepth howto’s on dvd?

selling a bigger selection of other products probably wouldnt hurt… and maybe setup a paypal donation option??

Ean/DJTT community

If there are perceived conflict of interest issues with advertising products you review – or product makers who’s products you wish to review in the future, then don’t. Other sources of advertising revenue could be gained by leveraging the communities linkages:

1) Provide advertising opportunities to “the DJ retailer of choice, as selected by the members of Djtechtools”. Everyone has a favourite DJ retailer that they hang in/use. How about you mobilise the forum members to go out and talk about advertising on this site, based on their recommendation of them as a retailer. It’s a more exclusive market differentiated approach which connects their retail outlet to a select group:- more effective for them. Most DJ’s that have good relationships with a given retailer in their area will be on speaking terms with the manager/owner. That’s the community keeping the community alive, and, it free’s Ean up a bit to not have to chase down the advertising opportunities. Like a street crew, just more intelligent ;-)

2) Review the DJTT web demographic information to align the number and frequency of ads you permit on the site by location. 25 retailers in LA is not what you want. The more you have the less “boutique” the vibe, and the attractiveness to the retailer to participate. Keep it exclusive. If a given area has a really large demographic representation, run a local “retailer of the month”

3) Once a retailer is on the site, provide the opportunity for them to advertise any specials they might have for the period they are on the site. That aligns with their retail requirements, eg, product launch specials for TPro, Stanton products etc.

4) Once the advertising framework / platform is established, the next stage could be to co-promote in-store “tours” and product reviews with DJTT forum pro’s who could, for example, go to a participating retailer, do an hour where they show their rig, how the products work in the rig, and have a Q&A about why they chose what they chose. This builds not only DJTT’s profile and “Brand” in the DJ community and Retail Community, but it raises the profile of the local dj’s that participate, connects them into the retail side of the business – perhaps leading to endorsements and opportunities to undertake further demonstration work at local / regional music retail events (Namm, Messe etc) and, engaging with the retail community at this level in this way, would provide an ideal “Real World” opportunity for the DJTT community to get face to face.

5)Imagine the effect on a retailer, when not a product event, supported by a product manufacturer, with a vested interest in their product, but an educational event, by a local dj who really works the clubs, comes into her/his store for an hour and demonstrates his rig, that has not one, but 6-8 different products the he or she sells all at once. And because the DJTT community knows about it and like getting together to rag on the demonstrator and have beers / martini’s whatever after 30 odd folks that do it for real walk in and bring their mates / newbies / etc to his/her store. The sales this could generate would probably more than pay for the advertising at DJTT for that month / six months depending on location. Everybody gains something valuable to them, and the communities integrity as a valuable resource for reviews, advice, skill improvement, midi-maps, skills etc stays “corporate bullshit/agenda free”

6) If that takes off and has credibility with retailers, then co-promotion of DJTT “brand” products could follow, at in-store events first – t-shirts stickers etc, then controller overlays, building a stealth retail channel for Ean.

This is my first post here, but I’ve been here for a while. It is bar none, the best site I’ve seen, the tone, the look all works, and the community is a great and valuable resource. But, it’s more than that. The thing I see here more than in many other sites is the ownership and pride that DJTT folks have in the forum, it’s respectful, honest, supportive, positive and free of haters. That’s rare, it’s worth working for on your own terms if you want it to stay the way you all have built it.

I’d be up for the demo’s if I was any good at all but I’m crap. Awed by the skills on display.

Dave

advertise! no pop ups please

[quote comment=""]advertise! no pop ups please[/quote]
true…

Ean,

One thing that you should realize is that the entire landscape of advertising is changing. Moving away from the CPC, CPM, or CPA in exchange for a conversation is much more valuable to both publisher and advertiser, then an intrusive ad (anything on the page that takes away from the story is intrusive) to entice a purchase.

The idea here is to accept money for personalized content. You should actively approach DJ brands (Vestax, Stanton, etc…) with the purpose of selling your expertise and knowledge to write articles for the community. A large brand would pay a lot of money for an article backed with quality community conversation. Think focused and targeted PR. This goes hand-in-hand with quality advertisers and quality readers.

Of course there are more than the following, but here is a quick pro/con list about this idea…

The pros:
- money for you,
- pick and choose which brands you write about,
- quality content for the community to digest,
- massive SEO opportunity (remember – more links the better),
- developing DJTT as the go-to spot for tech info,
- dramatically increase loyal user base and quality conversations,
- increase chances to be seen as an expert amongst more professionals,
- could lead to dedicated content for brand sites (Vestax approaches DJTT to use this content on their own site).

The cons:
- takes time away from developing new VCI products,
- taking money for biased articles might not be considered “selling out,”
- hard to track conversions makes this idea an even hard sale.

One day, the internet will not be free and will completely change. You’ve got a great thing going here with a phenomenal opportunity to get your loyal community in front of more brands that you feel strongly about. This is very valuable!!!

Good luck and I look forward to more quality content.

-Mike Demby

PS – here is an interesting article that you should read to help develop the future of DJTT.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_36/b4145053697768.htm

Regarding my previous quote… this excerpt from the article are the most important paragraphs.

“Diller’s pure media sites are already well on their way. The Daily Beast recently ran a three-part series on Bottega Veneta, paid for by the luxury luggage maker; crime writer Patricia Cornwell paid the Beast to create a book channel featuring an excerpt of her latest novel. (Both were identified as sponsored content.) “Barry wanted us to make sponsored content interesting enough that it would become an interactive experience,” says Daily Beast General Manager Caroline Marks. She figures as many as 20% of the series’ readers clicked through to Bottega Veneta’s ad, several times the normal rate.

CollegeHumor, meanwhile, created an entire episode of Hardly Working—a comedy about office slackers—around Nestea. The slackers drink Nestea for much of the show. In another segment developed for Colgate-Palmolive (CL), a comedian repeatedly mentions the company’s Wisp mini-toothbrush as he stumbles through New York City. Diller says the venture with ex-NBCer Silverman, though not yet fully fleshed out, eventually will charge advertisers to create Web shows that feature their products and services in the story lines. ”

Okay… I’m done, goodnight! :-)

What are your hosting costs per year? I paid $200-some for two years, and I get “unlimited” storage space (1 TB until I hit the limit, then it expands as-needed) and “unlimited” monthly bandwidth (I’m sure it’s not “unlimited,” as that’s not possible, but it’s really ridiculously high, like 1 TB per month or something. I pay next to nothing (comparatively) and get more than anyone else offers for the same price. I’ll never need advertising, even if I start hitting my data storage or bandwidth limits. It’s just so cheap. Up-front cost of $200-some, and I’ve had domain names and hosting for two years.

http://www.hostmonster.com.

As for my take on advertising, as long as the ads are relevant, not distracting (no flashing, pop-ups, videos, animations, or any of those stupid “wait 30 seconds before you can close it” crap, I’m cool with advertising.

[quote]still keep that small local blog feel largely thanks to you.[/quote]

True! Actually thats why I come to this blog over all the zillion others about DJing. Many others have grown too big for their own good and for the people getting started it’s just overwhelming. The ease and objectiveness of the content here is great. So far I have found all the questions Ive had with a video or a post so, it’s awesome! But first and foremost, keep it small keep it organized, keep it simple!

[quote comment="21120"]Another option, beyond just selling ad space, is getting a sort of partnership with a specific retailer, a la Tweakheadz. They only allow gear advertising through ZZounds, but whenever someone purchases through that retailer by clicking through the site they get a commission. So, it could be as simple as having a small ad or something to Guitar Center, or Turntable Lab, or ZZounds or what have you, in the corner, and if someone purchases through that link then DJTT gets a cut. It might restrict you to only putting links up to that site for gear links, but it could be a good way to get a small stream of income.

All in all, the ads don’t bother me as long as they are tasteful. Right now they are. Anything more than this and I’d be very discouraged.[/quote]

Yep…sounds like Affiliate Marketing.

Great concept!

I would understand if you had a few more adds up. You all put a lot of time into making this a great site, every little bit helps, so why not. I agree, just keep it simple and clean.

Keep it simple. Down with the ads! Keep it a community, they work better together. Crowds are obnoxious, it’s something this site doesn’t have and makes it great.

NO ADS!! NO PLEASE NO!! DONT BE A POSER!!!!

don’t worry , ads are everywhere.
people wont give you a dime if you try a subscription thing.
you can ad a paypal like too ( support that site like , etc… )
on the internet everybody wants all for nothing , but managing a website has a cost , so go for the ads.
it’s cool

Hay, why not advertize DJ jobs, club promotions etc instead of DJ gear?

This way you help out fello DJs, keeping everyone up with what’s happening in the DJ world and still remain independant of DJ gear manufacturers.

Keeping the adds to the right and not too obtrusive is also good. Other areas of advertizing could music, labels, digital music downloads etc.

Its still keeps it relovent to DJ’s and keeps you indipendant and helps get the dollers in to keep the site running.

best, smex

[...] What is the question? Advertising on DJTT [...]

I would love for DJTT to only advertise products they believe in or think are good. So that it stays a site of reference and that we can trust. Would be horrible to see you sell out through bad products advertising. But I know you guys have integrity and are super smart. So I trust you will make it work :)

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