• Paul0210

    Sounds very much to me like standard mixing of 2 tracks but simplified by using just one knob. I come from a DJ background to Ableton so am well aware of how to make room for an incoming track and how to maximise the impact of the incoming track, then again I have the Vestax VCM600 which allows me to manage eq`s in this way.

  • Doug

    Soo…does it mean I can’t use my external mixer at all when smart mixing?

  • Ben

    Hey man,

    Great stuff! genius. Basically makes a perfect mix with a couple knobs! Thanks!!!!

  • Skippy Le B

    Oh how I wish I’d discovered this site earlier. Been DJing with Ableton for years, and wanted a way to make certain mixes smoother. Nice work Bento San – I’ve just picked up an APC40 and had no problems attaching my set to your layout and mapping the MIDI controls.

    One question re FX: I’ve always tended to route my song tracks to intermediate FX tracks, where I can set up dummy clips to add time limited effects – e.g. a few bars gradual low cut and echo to build tension before a big bassline kicks in. How can I achieve this if I put FX devices in the main tracks A and B?

  • http://www.djzaka.co.cc zaka

    is there any possible to use this theory to a 4 channel mix set?
    I’m trying to make one but can’t get through…

  • electroplated

    Hi BentoSan

    Great work with this rack, one issue I’m having is that the knobs mapped from my midi controller (tried both my apc40 and trigger finger) is that the range on the mapped knobs is 0 – inf rather than 0-127 and the knobs jump around a lot even when moving them slowly… any ideas?

    Cheers :)

  • BentoSan

    [quote comment="23624"]For fx, is it fine to just drop a rack or 3 on Deck A/B? still trying to get my head around this, as I’ve been mixing clean tracks with little fx (beatrepeat, pitch shifters etc.) doesn’t sound bad, just trying to figure out a good way to go with this. thank you[/quote]

    Yup that’s correct ! Fx go on deck a or deck b :)

  • ry

    For fx, is it fine to just drop a rack or 3 on Deck A/B? still trying to get my head around this, as I’ve been mixing clean tracks with little fx (beatrepeat, pitch shifters etc.) doesn’t sound bad, just trying to figure out a good way to go with this. thank you

  • Caitlyn

    Also, is there a way to, within Ableton, indicate which deck has the high and low ducking in effect? I was fiddling with it, and found I forgot too often.

  • Caitlyn

    This is pretty super.

    The main problem I am finding is that with hiphop and similar breakbeat genres, the bass sits in a wider frequency spectrum, such that the one-size-fits-both frequency splitting is not doing a good job.
    For example, track on deck A has a jazzy beat and requires the frequency splitter to be at 7 KHz for the beat to shine in the mix. But that cuts in to the vocals of deck A, and the frequency there needs to be 4 KHz.

    I am not sure of a good dynamic solution to this issue. Except to only spin tech-house.

  • chris

    Ok i figured it out now!

    ‘thanx

    /Chris

  • chris

    Hi BentoSan!

    Great work! There is something I can not figure out. In the map of the signal path above there are filters on every channel in the chain,when I open the file there are filters on all three of the channels accept on the SC A channel. Mayby it is supposed to be like this but I just wanted to ask you.

    Best

    /Chris

  • ryan

    Wow… i think i popped something. I’ll have to reread all that again but I think i just learned something immensely useful

  • http://averyparkermusic.com justjabbin

    forget paypal question…I donated!

  • http://averyparkermusic.com justjabbin

    Im having a hard time with cueing. I here both tracks in my headphones but its just a jubbled mess. I cant use the crossfader to adjust the compression in the mix when cueing so how do I adjust the compression while cueing? Do I use the volume faders on the sc and cue channels? If so if I am playing deck A out to the crowd and I want to cue up deck b and adjust how I am doing to mix this track what kknobs and faders of which track do I adjust? Assuming I am playing deck a out and want to cue up deck b exaclty what am I adjusting?

    also do I have to use paypal to donate? I cant just use a credit card?

  • BentoSan

    [quote comment="20224"]When cueing the mix of decks a and b am I adjusting the high/low compression amount on both the cue and sc channels?[/quote]

    The low and high compression knobs are mapped to every instance of the rack on the 4 channels. So when you turn up the low compression knob it will turn up the low compression knob on channels SCA, CueA, SCB and CueB all at the same time in sycronisation with one another.

    The only difference between the SC channel and the Cue channel is that the Cue channels ignore the position of the crossfader.

    Its important that at all times the knobs are reading the same on all 4 of the channels – if they are not then something has gone wrong along the way and i recommend re reading the tutorial and comments.

    But yes when your cueing the main controls that you will be using is the 2 high and low compression knobs – you will also use 2 frequency switch buttons alot, though you will use the bass one alot more than the high end one.

  • justjabbin

    When cueing the mix of decks a and b am I adjusting the high/low compression amount on both the cue and sc channels?

  • jak

    Really great stuff,
    very intuitive and works incredibly well.
    Small donation on its way, I really hope you develop this a bit further (4 and 5 decks, maybe?)

  • http://www.myspace.com/bentosan BentoSan

    @Will, send me your file to info at djtechtools dot com and i will take a look at your live file and see where the problem is coming from.

    I have done extensive testing of coloration using by using phase inversion techniques and there should not be any colouration of the sound with the settings as you say they are.

    A common mistake is for people to play with settings inside the racks which has caused issues for a couple users – my recommendation is to not touch anything inside the rack except for the macro knobs unless you know what your doing.

    Anyway, send it over and we will get to the bottom of this :)

  • Will

    @BentoSan

    Hey! I’ve noticed a small but annoying colouring effect when I turn Low on/off using this rack!

    The compressor, even when it’s not receiving sound from the sidechain is colouring the channel slightly. I can only hear this on the lo, although it’s possible it’s also happening on the hi.

    To hear this clearly, jam your crossfader to the left or right and toggle the lo smart filtering on or off: the sound will change noticeably as the compressor toggles.

    I’ve also found a solution to this: change “lookahead” on the Lo compressors from 1ms to 0ms, and the colouring vanishes.

    Why might this be? Is this an issue you’ve noticed? Has it already been fixed but I’ve misconfigured something?

    Either way: as long as there are no downsides to my solution I’m happy, but I think wiser heads than me should assess this.

  • BentoSan

    [quote comment="19869"]@S4racen…could you post your updated version if it is ok with bentosan or explain exactly how you did it? i don’t play live so i don’t need cueing[/quote]

    IF you dont mix live then delete the 2 channels named CueA and CueB – if you want to send multiple channels into one side of the smartmixer then you need only create new channels, press the input/output routings button then route the extra channels you want rather into channels Deck A or Deck B.

  • k0

    @S4racen…could you post your updated version if it is ok with bentosan or explain exactly how you did it? i don’t play live so i don’t need cueing

  • http://thestudiosessions.co.uk S4racen

    I don’t think i need anymore than the two channels, i sum everything up into two sends and can choose to send each track to one or the other, each send then outputs to a group track which has about ten dummy clip channels, lucifer and a bunch of loopers…. then finally the best rack ever! Bentosan’s smartmixer has meant i can go crazy with everything without worrying that things are going to get out of control… Mad Props!

    Cheers
    D

  • Phaded

    Been using this with external control, and although there is a little more latency running multiple audio programs, it works great. Even have received comments on how great everything fits when I mix. Thanks Bento!

  • charo

    [quote comment=""][quote comment=""]That sounds really interesting – would love to try something like this in Traktor… any possibility of a Traktor Smart Mixing tutorial? :)[/quote]

    Sadly Traktor doesnt even come close to having this sort of functionality in the effects section.

    [quote comment="19043"]Great Work

    A little Question:
    Is there an alternative to Albeton, too do smartmixing?[/quote]

    The only really viable alternative would be a program like Max Msp or Reaktor.[/quote]
    [quote comment="19043"]Great Work

    A little Question:
    Is there an alternative to Albeton, too do smartmixing?[/quote]

    i believe it would be very possible to setup a smart mixer based on this idea in Audiomulch and Usine as well. In fact i have started one in audiomulch just to see if it can be done.

  • http://www.myspace.com/bentosan BentoSan

    [quote comment=""]That sounds really interesting – would love to try something like this in Traktor… any possibility of a Traktor Smart Mixing tutorial? :)[/quote]

    Sadly Traktor doesnt even come close to having this sort of functionality in the effects section.

    [quote comment="19043"]Great Work

    A little Question:
    Is there an alternative to Albeton, too do smartmixing?[/quote]

    The only really viable alternative would be a program like Max Msp or Reaktor.

  • MiL0

    That sounds really interesting – would love to try something like this in Traktor… any possibility of a Traktor Smart Mixing tutorial? :)

  • Damasta

    Hi
    I get error, when I try to set my AK1 in MIDI OX midi inputs settings.
    It looks like, Audio Kontrol 1 In: Undefined external error

    Anyone knows what might be the problem?
    Thanks

  • http://www.celebritymurderparty.co.uk cmcpress

    Great post (and the original) Bento.

    I’ve just got Live 8, so i’ll be up and running with this soon…

  • .p

    hey can u please tell me what’s a knob & how do i map it????

  • algorithmdetroit

    [quote comment=""]can you do a video post of this example?[/quote]

  • algorithmdetroit

    can you do a vied pos of this example?

  • jd62

    Impressive Bento Congrats cant wait to try it out.

  • digital.dude

    Great Work

    A little Question:
    Is there an alternative to Albeton, too do smartmixing?

    • killa

      does this really work? i am seeing alot of error comments ??