• pixwizart

    hey people – WHAT ABOUT VST PLUGIN ?)
    well i got myself an Xponent…after playing on VCI-100 which is great but require audio sound card external and cables…i am amazed at the total lack of infos about xponent access to VST plug ins !
    thats by itself a reason to have one cause endless possibilities are at hands including great filtering and sound remastering with plugs like T-racks or Waves, H2O etc
    so i do not agree for the winner as the vci 100…and now the xponent is my main weapon in djing …
    anyway your articles are great and we wish to see a more profond test of the xponent…including test of sound output through the VST plugs….
    thanx
    Pixwizart.

  • jax

    hi guys

    just a thing or two on both vci 100 n the EKS5

    Both great units but when used both i think the EKS5
    sorry to say comes out on top heres why
    they are smaller they are very hard going
    last longer than the vci 100 been threw 2 of them
    have mapped both two work two n four decks both good but when a mash style set the EKS5 is easy to use
    n can use as cd deck with mixer now dont getme wrong loved the vci 100
    when came to Oz and yes i have used cds n learnt on records
    now the digital world has hit n yes its the future

    the only problem with the EKS5 is they Freeze but with an isolater the problem is fixed

    now the vci 100 is great but its to heavy for traveln all the time
    the middle nobs bend if not in a proper case when traveln
    the buttons do stick after awhile n youve gotta hitm hard
    to work
    the mapping is ok an all well i think itd be great if you could use it like a cd player(cdjs) set up would be cool
    dont get me wrong both great units
    but when it comes to the buck Eks5 are good money value n havnt let me down yet lol as the vci 100 had problems with

    i could go on n on but at the end of the day its what u feel n its all about the passion of music not beenin a superstar n thats were it has gone wrong with the industry.

    Bring back the feel not the egos

  • Anonymous

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  • http://www.myspace.com/popnfreshproductioons PopNFre$h

    I am currently using the xponent with torq and have loved coming over from traktor but have had some issues along the way. first i experienced some random crashes and audio issues which i found out was due to not having clean power. as soon as i got a “clean power” surge protector i have not had it crash during a show or at home (its actually never crashed at home) but recently i noticed that the loop lights will come on in sync with the cue buttons (they flash in sync everything) the loop buttons still function but the lights are random. then last night i noticed that when i start a track using the cue button i get an crackle type audio glitch. if i start the track using the quick cues then it doesnt do that even when i do some heavy drumming routines. so i switched the cue function to another button but had the same issue and it does it on both sides. i have looked everywhere and cant find anyone with the same issue. anyone have any ideas? i have tried uninstalling torq and all the xponent drivers and re-installing but no luck. i am going to try it on another laptop tonight and see if the problems carry over

  • http://www.djkad.com DjKad

    @ LEO

    TORQ is TORQ, Xponent is Xponent..they are different things.
    Never had a problem with xponent with traktor scratch pro. Ok, i’ve spent several days for create my own mapper but it never crashed at gigs…and…i’m using XP pro optimized, not MAC OSx!!!!!!

    OT: I don’t like that biten fruit

  • http://www.djkad.com DjKad

    I post my Xp(onent)erience with traktor scratch pro and VCI 100:

    M-Audio Xponent
    PRO:
    1) Xponent send 14 bit-messages for pitch bend
    2)symmetric layout..everything on deck A is equal to deck B
    3) Xponent has a X/Y MIDI/Mouse touchpad useful for fx
    4) layout match with most cdj (hotcues,smart and manual loop, cue/play and so on) and also with Traktor scratch pro layout
    5) Buttons are made by gum but they are very responsive
    6) Built-in sound card has a good enough quality for small-medium club (but nobody force you to use it if you prefer other soundcards) and you can decide to use it alone or with an external mixer
    7) it’s lightweight
    DRAWBACK:
    1) It doesn’t work without power supply
    2) Quality of plastic box, sliders, knobs is not excellent but:
    a)If you are like me you won’t have problem replacing them with professional types
    b) IT’s just a “touch-feeling” problem, not something that affect the output result: 0-127 values are sent the same if you use plastic or gold made knobs

    Now let’s see the vci-100 (my neighbourhood bought one without knowing nothing about controllers)

    VCI 100

    PRO
    1) Good metal box, it’s heavy enought for seem like something more professional than my xponent
    2) It works also without power supply (Wonderful for lazy ppl)
    3) knobs and level sliders are better than xponent
    4) button’s looks cool like: Hey i’m changing radio station in my professional hi-fi stereo
    5) Jogwheel rotation system is EXCELLENT..they are not plastic wheel and it seems like they have bearings

    and now: The drawback
    1) Jogwheel rotation system is excellent but the glass platters make me feel i’m touching a coffe cup. It’s like i’m not touching something regarding music
    2) Let’s try to connect it…do you have a pair of headphone??? wait wait…where is the headphone jack? GOSH no builtin soundcard…That’s ok..let’s install the traktor version in boundle and let’s try without PFL
    3) Where are loops, cuepoints, where are fx for deck a or deck b? I have to select the deck for make things work??? AAARGH Asymmetric layout made me feel mad
    4) Let’s load the song in a deck and change the pitch..oops..it’s the volume..where is the pitch??? :O That little slider? Let’s try to move it: 100BPM>110BPM>120BPM…Cool, 7 bit resolution..ok..Let’s work with the sync then!!
    5) Let’s play a song: Oh My God!!! How many transport buttons we have? (Play/stop) (cue/play) (play/makepasta) (stop/setcue) Deffo non-standard transport functions
    6) Let’s try to TAP like a drumkick the cue button: “CLICCKY-CLIKKY-CLICCKY” noise and horrible feel. Horrible transport-button quality

    Conclusions: I’m proud of my xponent. I’m ready to change the pitch sliders for have technics 1210 sliders feel and that’s all. I don’t care about the scratch function since i have turntables for do it. For nudje-only my plastic wheel make the job

    • POB

      I’d like to replace the pitch faders with something much better for my exponent.  Left side is dead, and right is far to sensitive; nearly impossible to zero in on a certain BPM.  This may also have something to do with sensitivity adjustment for midi mapping I don’t know about.  Any help would be much appreciated, as Google search hasn’t turned up much.  Please email any response to dismlband@hotmail.com as I am not a registered member of this site.  Thanks in advance!

  • Leo

    [quote comment="392"]I’ve been reading this post and I Although I really did like the Xponent, I had to take mine back. Im surprised that no one has mentioned one of the main flaws of the unit. RELIABILTY.

    I have had two major instances with this. After owning the unit for a month, I decided to use it for a live gig. After about 90 minutes of playing, Torq just FROZE on me. My macbook pro more than adequetly meets there Recommended requirements, but while mixing two songs and having about two effect playing, the software just froze. That means DEAD SILENCE, which is the worst thing for a DJ. Luckily I had my Technic Turntables cued up with a record and was able to immediately switch over.

    At another Live gig, after 2 hours of playing, the audio from the sound card on the Xponent completely went DEAD. Again, Dead Silence and again, luckily I had the technics standing by. I went back and forth with M-Audio, and after about 2 months of my CONSTANT complaining, they decided to ship me another unit. And after testing the new Xponent, the exact same problem occured where the Audio card went dead.

    There have been numerous complaints about the audio going dead on the Xponent and its even listed talked about in their torq-dj forum.”

    Alright the solution to make sure to have a crash free torq xponent would have been to buy a Clean power such as the Monster EP 2450. This would asure a clean power going into your controller… if you plug in a light(i.e.) and if u dont have clean power your controller will send “bad” MIDI signals to your program and it will crash… make sure also that you have a good usb cable. Clean power is always very important remember that :P for your amplifier, anything, you dont want something crashing in the middle of a party. :P

  • Este

    quote comment=”"]Hi,

    really interesting article and following discussion, surviving ages!

    I’m looking at the VCI100 too, but I noticed RELOOP is gonna release its DIGITAL JOCKEY 2 in june 2009…

    much more knobs, nice layout, 100% traktor pro readyness, sensitive jogs, high (?) quality faders…

    Nobody mentioned reloop in this discussion, but it seems to be a serious rival to the vci 100 and 300 (digital jockeys exist in 2 versions, controller only, and audio interface)…

    ???[/quote]

    Hey,

    Does anyone know if the Reloop Digital Jockey 2 will be available in north america… they seem to be missing any information as to how to buy it if your not living in europe. Any thoughts on how the previous Reloop Digital Jockey compares to the Xponent or VCI 100? Thanks for the comparison above, its starting to clarify things.

  • nico

    Hi,

    really interesting article and following discussion, surviving ages!

    I’m looking at the VCI100 too, but I noticed RELOOP is gonna release its DIGITAL JOCKEY 2 in june 2009…

    much more knobs, nice layout, 100% traktor pro readyness, sensitive jogs, high (?) quality faders…

    Nobody mentioned reloop in this discussion, but it seems to be a serious rival to the vci 100 and 300 (digital jockeys exist in 2 versions, controller only, and audio interface)…

    ???

  • http://www.eangolden.com Ean Golden

    [quote comment=""]biased much?[/quote]

    we try and not be- and I honestly feel this article gave a fair balance to each controllers strengths.

  • Anonymous

    biased much?

  • Anonymous

    [quote comment=""]Any thoughts on the BCD 3000 vs the exponent…..?

    I already have a midi controller, but I want a DJ console specific for computer software, for both studio and live performance….DJING tracks and Playing live compositions….

    Does the BCD have Midi outs? I think not….so what can be done thru USB….and say…..Reason? anything…any ideas?

    or is this strictly a track per track tool?

    I use

    Reason

    Fruity Loops

    Traktor 3.0

    And have access to any other array of PC-based programs….

    Mixing and Music Creation programs…

    Any insights are invaluable and appreciated….

    -e[/quote]

  • http://www.reverbnation.com/elsoundscraper OVNI

    Any thoughts on the BCD 3000 vs the exponent…..?

    I already have a midi controller, but I want a DJ console specific for computer software, for both studio and live performance….DJING tracks and Playing live compositions….

    Does the BCD have Midi outs? I think not….so what can be done thru USB….and say…..Reason? anything…any ideas?

    or is this strictly a track per track tool?

    I use

    Reason

    Fruity Loops

    Traktor 3.0

    And have access to any other array of PC-based programs….

    Mixing and Music Creation programs…

    Any insights are invaluable and appreciated….

    -e

  • EM

    This effect is prominent in computer imaging. When a skilled Photoshop user increases luminance in an RGB image, the color channel he/she will use is always the green channel because the green channel has all the luminance information.

    The UV from the blue LEDs in the VCI's jog wheel should produce a fluorescent effect – even with a lacquer green. However, if you used a fluorescent green, the effect would be much more prominent.

  • EM

    "Rhodopsin of the rods most strongly absorbs green-blue light and therefore appears reddish-purple, which is why it is also called "visual purple". It is responsible for monochromatic vision in the dark…."

    "Rhodopsin, also known as visual purple, is a pigment of the retina that is responsible for both the formation of the photoreceptor cells and the first events in the perception of light. Rhodopsins belong to the G-protein coupled receptor family and are extremely sensitive to light, enabling vision in low-light conditions. Exposed to white light, the pigment immediately photobleaches, and it takes about 30 minutes to regenerate fully in humans…."

    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodopsin

  • EM

    In terms of the highest luminance color…. Green would be your best bet. Try a neon green for even more "pop." It will reflect the UV light from black lights.

    A green light at 15 lumens is equal to an 80 lumen white light.

    "There is photopic vision and there is scotopic vision. Photopic vision is "day vision", which sees detail and color and works better in brighter light. Scotopic vision is "night vision" which is low resolution and black-and-white. In dimmer environments, there is "mesopic vision" where both scotopic and photopic vision are functioning.

    As it turns out, photometric units such as the lumen, lux, footcandle and the candela are defined in terms of photopic vision. Two light sources with different spectral content and having equal photometric measurement will appear equally bright to a "standard human eyeball" that is in photopic mode. But in scotopic mode, human vision has reduced sensitivity to red wavelengths and increased sensitivity to wavelengths from mid-blue to mid-green. Two light sources with equal photometric measurements can have very unequal performance to a dark-adapted eye if their spectral content is different.

    Most high brightness green and blue LEDs and all of the usual high-brightness blue-green LEDs have a spectrum that is greatly more scotopic-vision-favorable than the spectrum of incandescent lamps, especially lower wattage / lower current, longer life incandescent lamps. A nightlight made with non-yellowish-green, blue-green or turquoise blue LEDs will appear to illuminate a room more brightly than an incandescent or neon nightlight with equal lumen output."

    -http://members.misty.com/don/lede.html

  • Lancellot

    What a great comparison.

    Thank you Ean!

    I bought an Xponent before reading this blog!

    As far as tedious adaptation to Traktor is concerned, I do not really agree.

    Once when you start customizing anything for your own needs, it becomes tedious.

    It may not be working well "out of the box" with Traktor, but there are some tks files around to get you started.

    I do however agree with the comments about the fimsy faders and knobs.

    I have not yet tried a VCI myself, but I trust that what has been said here about the quality of the VCI is true.

    The backlit buttons are great on the Xponent, allowing you to know the status of your decks.

    RE:LED

    The LED`s work just fine with Traktor if you simply press and hold the shift and 2 key while the unit is booting. (padlock button = shift, 2 button above the padlock)

    and implement these settings:

    Monitor Deck PFL Left (CC18) Deck A

    Monitor Deck PFL Right (CC19) Deck B

    Deck Seek Position (CC20) Deck A

    Deck Seek Position (CC21) Deck B

    I am still trying to figure this unit out, and I hope I have not bought a "dud".

    Thank you Ean, for all these great tips I found here!

  • http://muzsweet.com Sanya
  • Leeno

    Agree with that!

    But for a quick mix at home then these are ideal.

  • jae k

    Well at least u can check yr email or watch porn on yr lappy if it all becomes a bit much for u all. My humble opinion, u cant beat hands on truly independent hardware industry standard digital cdj's and mixers especially if u are a dj who plays out, no one in the crowd wants to see u googly eyeball a screen during yr set… plus the hassles of plugging in controllers during the night.

    3204L!

  • Leeno

    Any new DJ Midi controllers due to come out?

    I got the Hercules RMX but can't get it working with any stability.

  • Anonymous

    My setup totally makes up for the plastic build of the xp10's and I've modified the jog wheels w/ grooved-vinyl-feel CDRs to emulate the feel of vinyl as best as I can. Btw… this has been an ungoing two year project and it is the Sh!t.

    Hopefully this link will work… if not check my myspace profile for pics of my setup.
    http://a305.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/95/

    Tablet Kiosk EO Ultra-Mobile PC, 1GHz Intel Celeron M, 1GB Ram, Windows XP SP2, SimpleTech 1TB External HD, Audio 8 DJ Soundcard, Traktor Scratch Vinyl, 2 modified XP10 Digital DJ Controllers (vinyl-touch CD scratch / jog wheels), Faderfox DJ2 Midi Mixer, Traktor 3.3… all contained with in a custom flight case smaller then your record crate!!!

  • http://www.myspace.com/djdab dJ dAb

    My setup totally makes up for the plastic build of the xp10's and I've modified the jog wheels w/ grooved-vinyl-feel CDRs to emulate the feel of vinyl as best as I can. Btw… this has been an ungoing two year project and it is the Sh!t.

    Hopefully this link will work… if not check my myspace profile for pics of my setup.
    http://a305.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/95/

    Tablet Kiosk EO Ultra-Mobile PC, 1GHz Intel Celeron M, 1GB Ram, Windows XP SP2, SimpleTech 1TB External HD, Audio 8 DJ Soundcard, Traktor Scratch Vinyl, 2 modified XP10 Digital DJ Controllers (vinyl-touch CD scratch / jog wheels), Faderfox DJ2 Midi Mixer, Traktor 3.3… all contained with in a custom flight case smaller then your record crate!!!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dj_leeno Lee Heryet

    The Numark looks wicked but its going to retail at ?900 !

    Could get x2 Pioneer CDJ400's for that..

    I'm thinking of going the other way and getting a Behringer BCD3000. Cheap and cheerfull enough to test the water with midi controller computer mixing. It seems it has alot less problems than the Xponent for a 3rd of the price.

  • http://mididigi.blogspot.com/ Chris Wright

    He could be conceptualizing ideas for one with even better controllerism capability it’s kind of hard to say for certain, but I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions. He could just as well and probably more likely be joking around with me was all. I did suggest some ideas to him all ready though few weeks ago so who knows he could be drumming up ideas and if he is maybe once the forums arrive they could be discussed more in depth if were lucky so the entire djtechtools community could provide feedback and ideas on a controller idea.

  • aNt

    714SSDJ I think Ean is just responding to Chris Wright's comment on ?The Ean Golden Vci-Super Hyper Turbo Ultra Deluxe Edition?.

  • 714SSDJ

    wtf… ean u doing another midi controller ???

  • http://www.djtechtools.com Ean Golden

    I hear you on that! !

    ! I am allready working on the designs! but motorized platters??? platters are so 1995 :-)

  • http://mididigi.blogspot.com/ Chris Wright

    I'll stick to my vci-100 until "The Ean Golden Vci-Super Hyper Turbo Ultra Deluxe Edition" is designed with controllerism layout, midi in and out, foot pedal jack, motorized platters, all led buttons, mpc pads, and possibly controls that glows in the dark or are black light reactive.

  • Derrick

    Numark is going to release one. Dont know the release date yet though. They have partnered with Serato and will release it with Serato Itch.

    Here is a link

    http://www.numark.com/ns7

  • http://www.myspace.com/dj_leeno Lee Heryet

    Nah the Otus (due out soon check the site)

  • http://www.djtechtools.com Ean Golden

    which one the xp-5? most people are not a fan of the build quality of the xp5 and 10. I got to check them out and the buttons are really stiff.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dj_leeno Lee Heryet

    Anyone seen or used these ?

    http://eks.fi/product.php?p=products&id=34

  • http://www.myspace.com/dj_leeno Lee Heryet

    Thanks for the reviews.

    I was lookin at getting the xponent but the build issues and software issues are putting me off a bit.

    Its alot of money to spend on something that doesn't feel that sturdy and stable.

    Its a funny time coz there is going to be new products coming all the time.

    I wish Pioneer would make a stand alone midi controller as I've always been happy with there products. x2 CDJ 400's are abit out of my price range and don't solve the space issue.

    Anyone know if Pioneer plan to release an all in 1 midi DJ controller?

  • Chris Wright

    If the build quality were better I’d probably recommend it, but in it’s current form it feels like a beta product to me. The jogs were the only things on it that actually felt good overall the sensitivity was accurate to the point where you could do a nice stuttering type of effect simply by tapping your fingers on the top of to get the desired effect. You could even rewind part of a song like vinyl to a degree but required a lot of effort to do so due to the jog wheel size and no jog adjustments something the vci-100 has over it. In the end I came to the conclusion the vci-100 is probably better for that reason alone irrelevant of the build quality as well as durability concerns on the XP5′s. I defiantly don’t think they’d hold up for crap in a club setting it seems like they’d have enough trouble holding up for just personal use or a small party setting for too long. They looked and felt very toyish the BCD2000 by comparison was sturdy as hell.

  • http://www.djtechtools.com Ean

    Thanks for that feedback Chris Wright, I look forward to also testing the Xp5 to see how it stands up. That is interesting that you confirmed the jog wheels perform as well as anticipated but it sounds like the entire package might not be up to par.

  • Chris combe

    ok so it looks like the vci-100 is the way to go then, i have been trying to inspect the layout and setup of the new vci-300 and it seems to have less buttons… if this is the case then i will stick with the vci-100 > i am wondering how to get a black custom vci-100 in Australia / Sydney…

  • Chris Wright

    One more thing if anyone was interested in the size they're about the size of a dvd case, but I really wouldn't recommend them after having tried them despite the jog wheels working pretty nicely.

  • Chris Wright

    I got my pair of EKS XP5 and my BCD2000. I haven't played with the BCD2000 much, but did notice the headphone jack picks up a bit of noise/distortion. The sound itself seems fine, but only goes down to 4ms latency. The headphone jack appears like it can only be used if the BCD2000 is used as the sound output which is unfortunate. Another downside it takes a power cable thought it just ran off the usb itself not a big deal though and at least it came with the required cable. The unit itself is built solid.

    Now for the review of the EKS XP5. The first thing that stood out was the poor build quality. The buttons feel real stiff and a few don't click like intended. Another thing is the area around A, B, C, and D flexes noticeably when you press those buttons. The pitch fader feels kind of sloppy compared to the BCD2000 ones and also doesn't click or have any tension half way like BCD2000 ones either. The jog wheels are close to the size of a CD minus roughly +/- two millimeters. With that said the jog wheels work quite well the touch sensitivity on them feel extremely precise in my opion. One of my jog wheels has a slight about of wobble to it. It seems like the unit might not have been assembly properly as the side of the case juts outs a bit on one side instead of being flush. The case itself is plastic and feels like the cheap kind of plastic which would break easily and could certainly use a few more screws securing the case itself together. I can't comment on the sound since I didn't try it.

    I'm not too impressed overall with the setup overall, both products feel like they craftsmen could be better more so with the EKS product which is annoying since it looked like a nice product and well made in the picture and the XP10 reviews sounded nice, but apparently the XP5 is a defiant step down in build quality from the XP10's or the reviews were just horribly inaccurate. I think I'll be returning them to musicians friend and for a VCI-100 instead thank goodness for a 45-Day 100% Satisfaction Guarantee. I wouldn't recommend EKS XP5 the jog wheels seem to work fairly nice, but the rest of the unit itself is built like crap and doesn't seem durable at all. I think Ean will likely come to the same general conclusion.

  • Chris combe

    one last thing, I have one of those 6pin firewire plugs on my laptop.. yes its a PC / HP laptop… will that cause any issues with the audiofire cards? can I power the card just on the firewire or will i need the external power too?

  • Chris combe

    hi Kleene Fotze I am looking into the echo audiofire, do you think the audiofire 2 or 4 is more practicle for laptop dj'ing… the sound quality seems to be nicer then the DJIO.

    I think the vci-100 is where it is at, as soon as you start combinging things ie the xponent with inbuilt sound its never going to be as good as 2 dedicated peices.

    anyone able to advise on the xponents sound quality, I know some of the sliders are a little loose and its not as easy to mod them as you could a vci

    http://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/AudioFhttp://www.echoaudio.com/Products/FireWire/AudioF

  • Chris combe

    sweet thanks Mr Editor, my first response is to always want the highest quality and most expensive, the truth is I am just starting to learn to DJ and using Traktor on my laptop so super quality isnt high priority at the moment, having said that I am starting to play a few house parties so I guess I will find out how the DJ|IO goes…

    Looking forward to the video review.

  • http://www.djtechtools.com Editor

    hey guys, we are doing a entry level sound card video today that will be done this week. We will compare the numark dj I/o against several other similar priced sound cards. Stay tuned.

  • Chris Wright

    Here’s a skratchworx review below on the DJ I/O they seemed to think it was all right so unless your audiophile it must sound good enough. The XP5 just had known quality DAC’s listed and a higher SNR 106dB vs 100dB on the DJ I/O.

    http://www.skratchworx.com/reviews/djio.php

    As for the sound quality on the xponent vs vci-300 I have no idea, but doubt they’ll differ by much. I’d wait until Ean reviews the pair of XP5′s he requested and see how the three stack up then make a decision possibly.

  • Kleene Fotze :-)

    get the vci-100 and an echo-audiofire. slightly more expensive but WAY better flexibility (two devices), stability and audio quality (firewire) and build quality (no piano finish).

  • Chris combe

    thanks for the suggestions fellow Chris :)
    so you are basically saying that pretty much anything is better then the DJ/IO’s sound quality?

    sigh.. at least it was cheap, I am keen on the vci-100 but tempted to wait for the vci-300 on the condition that the sound card will be better then the xponent only time will tell though… any thoughts?

  • Chris Wright

    I know some midi controllers/audio interfaces have disclaimers saying they won’t work with usb hubs not sure on others though. I’m not sure what you have in mind with the equipment you’ve got I’d say just only use the external HD for moving files to or from the laptop and just unplug one of the midi controllers while doing that. If your looking to integrate something new or different there are a few different options.

    Option one is replace the DJ/IO with a xponent get then get a power adapter and midi cable for the trigger finger and connect via midi to the xponent which would free up a usb slot for the external HD. Option two is get rid of the DJ/IO for a XP5 a extension to option two is to replace the xsession for hardware mixer to connect to the XP5 and either get a second XP5 along with it or use the freed up USB slot the external HD. A bonus is the sound quality is probably better on the XP5 than DJ/IO.

    DJ Tech Tools has a article which I’ll link below on doubling your controls in tracktor using a single button with the VCI-100. I think it could easily be applied for the XP5 and other controllers. Using that concept for the XP5 you could control 2 to 4 separate decks with the built in arrow keys, cue button, or whichever ones you prefer really. Anyways here’s the article on that

    http://www.djtechtools.com/?p=188

  • Chris combe

    Sounds like a pretty sweet setup, Mr Wright, my only issue is I would run out of USB slots on my laptop and have a USB 2 external sound card… any advise for how well USB “hubs” work with midi controllers..

    I am really keen to get a new midi controller which will be my main box, at the moment I have an M-Audop X-Session Pro + Trigger Finger rigged up to Traktor 3.3 with Numark DJ|IO External soundcard… not the best quality but I am still learning the ropes and don’t want to spend too much to find out that I suck…

    depending on the quality of the vci-300′s sound card I might look at that… I mainly mix electronic music so scratching isnt priority #1 for me… I would eventually like to buy/learn on the industy standard CDJ 1000′s… the longer I leave it the more the midi controller progresses so I might just wait it out and see whats available…

    my midi mappings are pretty crazy in traktor at the moment and could surely be improved but they do their job…

    main thing for me at the moment is to have:

    External USB HDD
    External Numark DJ|IO
    Xsession Pro
    Trigger Finger

    All working together on my laptop… I only have 3 USB ports… so not sure what the best solution is, I dont like having to copy over my music back and forward to the laptop all the time…

  • Chris Wright

    A pair of XP5's and BCD2000 gets you following:

    81 assignable buttons

    13 assignable rotary controllers (18 total)

    7 assignable faders (1 crossfader, 2 volume, and 4 pitch)

    4 assignable jog wheels (two of which touch sensitive)

    1 mic preamp

    1 headphone jack

    I think I'll only be limited by my own imagination and software limitations.

  • http://www.myspace.com/eangolden Ean

    great, thanks Chris. We also requested a pair of EKS controllers so we can test them here in the shop.

  • Chris Wright

    I ordered two EKS XP5's and a BCD2000 midi controller I'll let people know how it is when I get it.

  • Chris Wright

    I think he posted above that he hasn't tried one yet maybe he could request EKS send him one for a review I think I'm going to end up getting a pair and a bcd200 it if I do I'll be sure to post a follow up on the setup. I have a EMU1212M audio interface and core 2 duo cpu so rest assure I won't have any bottlenecks on the computer end of the equation.

  • MGyver

    Hmmm interesting article on the XP-10… this has definately caught my attention. That was a sterling review; the controller doesn't seem to have the bells and whistles of some that have been reviewed on DJTechTools.com, but the price is nice for a controller with built-in audio. Ean, have you had a chance to try this gizmo?

  • Chris Wright

    I'd also be using a BCD2000 along with the EKS XP5's I think you might have somehow missed that part in which case the three combined should prove more buttons. As for the jogs this review indicates them being rather good

    http://files.eks.fi/xp10_djmag_review.pdf

    Here's a quote from the article

    "This is by far the most

    accurate method of touch sensitivity, even over

    the Pioneer CDJ-1000."

    and a quote from the youtube I posted above

    "Latency is better than any timecoded solution available."

    I think between the two and the video that's all I gotta hear seems like a pretty decent solution to me might not be the next DMC Champ with them, but can probably cut it up good enough I hope for some home studio stuff.

  • Chris Wright

    Here a youtube video on the XP10 using Virtual DJ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WRKI6xyYNo

  • Chris Wright

    I'd also be using a BCD2000 along with the EKS 5's I think you might have missed that part. As for the jogs from reviews and videos I've read and watched on the three products the EKS XP5/XP10 seem best to me below are some reviews the top link in particular gives a nice detail on the jog wheels and seem to really praise them. Here's a quote from the article.

    "This is by far the most

    accurate method of touch sensitivity, even over

    the Pioneer CDJ-1000."

    Review links

    http://files.eks.fi/xp10_djmag_review.pdf

    http://files.eks.fi/raveline_eng.pdf

    http://files.eks.fi/iDJ_08_100_102.pdf

    User experiences

    http://eks.fi/product.php?p=products&id=28

  • http://www.djtechtools.com Editor

    Hey Chris, not really sure about the jog wheels as I have never tried the EKS product. They all function about the same in theory though and in terms of controlls. even with 2 EKS 5's you still have more buttons to assign on a vci-100 or xponent.

  • Chris Wright

    I don't have that kind of cash to spend so it's probably between a BCD2000 with two EKS XP5's, a xponent, or a VCI-100. They all seem like they have pros and cons to them so I'm not sure which to go for, but I'm leaning towards the EKS XP5 setup because the jog wheels seem better then the other two plus all the extra added midi would be handy.

  • David

    To reply to Chris Wright: Have you seen the new Denon DN-HS5500? It's more or less what you're talking about, but can support an internal hard drive, external hard drive, or an optional CD-drive.

    Check it out: http://www.denondj.com/dnhs5500/

    I think it looks quite interesting because of the ability to use it as a player or as a controller seamlessly. Plus, the ability to have two decks in one or to pool files across two players is very fascinating. Of course, only time will tell how the build quality is…

  • Derrick

    Yes, I do have slight issues with the auto bpm on the prodigy. With auto bpm engaged, it appears to continuously determine the bpm. I note this because its always very slightly changing.

    As such, I normally turn off the auto bpm once its calculated, or, I turn it off and do the tap bpm method instead.

    I think the issue your seeing is just because it continuously calculates the bpm when set to auto mode.

  • doolow

    Derrick do you have problems with the auto bpm reader on the prodigy?…it gives different readings..on the same song..

  • Chris Wright

    I'm looking for a MIDI controllers for a DAW that works well as a scratch controller cd turntables wouldn't really help in that department. Controllers are still lacking a bit. Specifically I'd like to see a controller similar to the vci100 with MIDI I/O and a spinning platter which I know will happen eventually cause I can't be alone on that features wish list.

  • Derrick Ghrael

    If you want a good unit for scratch DJ's, I would recommend forking up the money and getting the Pioneer CDJ 800's or 1000's if you have it. Even the Denon S3500. But there are CP/MP3 players. Not MIDI controllers. DJ's swear by them. I was going o purchase the Pioneers but I purchased the prodigy FX because I am not a scratch DJ, Im a mix dj. I liked the prodigy fx because its portable and its an all in one unit and Im in my 40's so its really just a hobby for me. (I never charge when I play, I just enjoy playing)

    If your looking for just a Midi controller to control a Laptop, I seriously recommend that you reconsider if you plan on playing live gigs. You need a backup source thats reliable.

    Having said that, assuming you want to be able to play files via USB, take a look at the Pioneer CDJ400. It has USB support and can still play music via CD's or MP3. Numark aslo has the iCDX, but I hear the platter is not good for the scratch DJ because you have to depress the platter (you actually hear it click) when you want to scratch.

    If you are not interested in CD/MP3 support, take a look at the Cortex HTT500. I havent seen it but from reading about it, it looks pretty good. Here is a link: http://www.cortex-pro.com/hdtt_5000.php

    Hope this helps.

  • Chris Wright

    I just want a controller that's good for scratch DJ's to come out I don't think either are really honestly capable enough for that type of DJing though which is unfortunate. They're still better than other controller options in that retrospect, but lacking just the same. I've heard the EKS XP5 and XP10 are pretty good in regard to scratching I'd be real curious to see a review on how the three stack up in that regard and which works best.

  • Derrick Ghrael

    I've been reading this post and I Although I really did like the Xponent, I had to take mine back. Im surprised that no one has mentioned one of the main flaws of the unit. RELIABILTY.

    I have had two major instances with this. After owning the unit for a month, I decided to use it for a live gig. After about 90 minutes of playing, Torq just FROZE on me. My macbook pro more than adequetly meets there Recommended requirements, but while mixing two songs and having about two effect playing, the software just froze. That means DEAD SILENCE, which is the worst thing for a DJ. Luckily I had my Technic Turntables cued up with a record and was able to immediately switch over.

    At another Live gig, after 2 hours of playing, the audio from the sound card on the Xponent completely went DEAD. Again, Dead Silence and again, luckily I had the technics standing by. I went back and forth with M-Audio, and after about 2 months of my CONSTANT complaining, they decided to ship me another unit. And after testing the new Xponent, the exact same problem occured where the Audio card went dead.

    There have been numerous complaints about the audio going dead on the Xponent and its even listed talked about in their torq-dj forum.

    Ultimately, I took the unit back becuase I cannot trust the Xponent for a live gig. If your purchasing it for the bedroom dj use only, then I think its awseome. But I dont recommend it for live use.

    I ended up purchasing a Prodigy FX DJ Workstation from B52. And althouth I was REALLY reluctant to do so, it really did fit my needs as a DJ. My concerns dealt soley with the fact that this is B52's first DJ product. Also, I initially had reservations about getting an all in one unit because if there is a problem, the whole unit has to go back.

    For the price, I thought it was great and it had the majority of the features that I needed. Im not a scratch DJ, so the jog wheels work for me. If your a scratch dj, then the Prodigy FX is not for you.

    It does lack some features that I would have liked like MIDI and USB support. But I liked its compact size and the fact that it is built sturdy and comes with its own flight case.

    Thus far, I have used it at 4 gigs, and it has worked flawlessly. Each gig I DJ'd for at least 12 hours an it worked great. It even has a built in fan to keep it cool.

  • http://www.eangolden.com Editor

    <blockquote cite="#comment-377">Support seems to be lacking for the vestax. I'd like to upgrade the firmware myself. I'm about to return the vci-100 I just purchased for the xponent for the reason that I'll have an easier time upgrading the firmware/drivers for the xponent. Where can I get the spec for the cables, a copy of the firmware to upgrade my vci-100 myself. I don't want to send it back to an authorized dealer everytime there is some firmware upgrade.

    thats going to be impossible. It requires special cable boxes produced in limited quantity and software that is not public. Hopefully Vestax will make future versions of the vci more friendly to the public but on this one your going to have to send it back to the auth dealer. Stay tuned though- we are about to post a video on how to fix the jog wheel problem without a firmware update!

  • rhd

    Support seems to be lacking for the vestax. I'd like to upgrade the firmware myself. I'm about to return the vci-100 I just purchased for the xponent for the reason that I'll have an easier time upgrading the firmware/drivers for the xponent. Where can I get the spec for the cables, a copy of the firmware to upgrade my vci-100 myself. I don't want to send it back to an authorized dealer everytime there is some firmware upgrade.

  • http://www.submusica.com Dudu P

    spider, I love one box solutions, and that's why I'm sticking with Xponent until something better cames on.

    Vestax VCI-100 is very solid and I do recommend, specially if you get one of the updated firmware versions. My only problem is with the manufacturer, which is not a natural on the software/peripherals area, but it's not a problem with you just need the hardware and will bend it to your own ways, like Ean did.

    I think that this segment is just crawling. 2008 will have a lot more news. All we have now are the manufacturers that are on the line and don't have anything to lose.

    We'll see things heating up once the big houses of midi and dj equipment start to deliver things, like Pioneer, Korg, Ecler, Rane and (maybe) Technics, to name a few. I believe all we'll buy for now will be absolutely temporary until those big players come up with something.

    And that's great. Because you can buy something now and don't mind too much, because you know it'll only get better and you'll have hands on experiences which will be much valuable when some big name comes with a huge, expensive dj controller. You'll already have a precise idea of what you'll need.

    Of course, our money isn't falling from trees, and it's kinda hard to bet yout bucks onto something that maybe will not be that good, but that's the early adopter paradigm. I know a lot of DJs who are sticking to tradition vinyl until something wonderful come. This wait is something that I cannot afford. I'm completely game for midi since I knew it.

  • http://myspace.com/spiderwerksinternational spider

    "…anyone KNOW of plans to release…"

  • http://myspace.com/spiderwerksinternational spider

    thank you very much for publishing this comparison. it's an exciting time in dj technology. i'm loooking for an elegant set up. i like ableton live because i can set up a set or portion of a set like i would in logic except be able to keep everything in time. this way i can focus on the mixing aspect and not cueing and beat matching. that being said, the controllers on the market seem to be all over the place and not entirely dj familiar: a&h xone:1d, faderfox, livid ohm. what's nice about the VCI and xponent is that they are more familar in layout. i can't get with the appearance of the m-audio box. the vestax is way more stylish. but again is like an abbreviated mixer. the korg zero series looks very interesting. anyone no of plans to release a midi only version? or better yet, a midi plus master section with sound card so all the mixing is done in the software? i'd love a one box solution.

    also, are there detended eq pots on these controllers?

  • sgb

    Dudu: you are absolutely spot on about the torq ui. Its not perfect, but it does the job.

    As far as the xponent goes, it doesn't use standard MIDI output mapping, its some custom solution. Which is really unfortunate, because it definitely makes the xponent less usable for other dj packages. I'll finally be settling on a VCI, although I might add an Akai MPD for some extra controls.

  • http://www.submusica.com Dudu P

    <blockquote cite="#comment-110">if only the b52 prodigy fx could send messages to traktor, and have a couple of more buttons…that thing would kick ass…anyhow great review, and out of the two i personally like the vci…i purchased a xponent, but i seriosuly did not like the feel of the unit. which is why i am 90% sure i am going to purchase a vestax vci…plus i did not like the torq interface…can someone say buggy?!

    <a href="http://www.prodigyfx.com/start.html” target=”_blank”>http://www.prodigyfx.com/start.html

    wd, I know how you feel. I'm using Traktor since its first release on 2000, and it's being hard as hell for me to adapt to another software.

    However, after forcing myself to use it a lot, I'm beginning to catch the ideas behind its ugliness.

    The thing is, Torq's GUI is meant to be scalable, because laptop screens are normally too small to be read from some distance. In clubs, most of the times you'll have yourself facing the mixer and the decks, with the laptop placed on the side. It's kinda difficult to read the screen, and that's why they use a vectorial UI:if you put it full screen, everything is big. This can save our arses on some situations.

    Do the test: maximize your Torq interface and step away from the screen. Now do the same with Traktor. Traktor is terrible to use on 12" screens, and is nasty as hell as the screen gets bigger — it's terrible on a 17" Macbook Pro with the HD display.

    Another thing is the high contrast of the elements. Yes, they look ugly as hell, but it's easier to tell the status of each control.

    And last, you can change its colors. I don't do, but currently I'm using a white Macbook, which don't have a backlit keyboard. Sometimes it's difficult to read the keyboard at some really dark booths, but you can switch to all white color preset. It will lit the screen all up and it will help a lot on some situations.

    Believe me: I'm still a huge Traktor fan, and I intend to upgrade my license to 3.x once they get the midi output working with the leds on Xponent. I was about to upgrade in 3.3, but I really dislike the changes they've done. Which is a shame, because as it happened with Traktor 2.6 and FS2, it seems that everytime they're getting to the point where they can smash Serato once and for all, they do some minor changes that blew everything.

  • http://www.submusica.com Dudu P

    Man, if you bring those cables, there'll be a huge line in front of your hotel. It will be like that scene on Robots movie, everyone begging for a update! :D

    Jokes aside, what a shame M-Audio took the Xponent so soon. I think they deserve the results you posted. Bad PR.

    Me, I'm still trying to open the minds of the official distributors from lots of DJ equipment manufacturers, but they are so narrow minded. For now, if you want to do some quality material, you got to buy those things yourself. It's not a huge problem to me, but it really make me avoid some reviews like one for the popular BCD 3000 (people here are really dumb when it comes to hardware).

    It's nice to know you'll be touring here in January. If you come to S?o Paulo, drop me a line by e-mail, I would love to attend to your gigs and to meet you.

    Cheers!

  • wd

    if only the b52 prodigy fx could send messages to traktor, and have a couple of more buttons…that thing would kick ass…anyhow great review, and out of the two i personally like the vci…i purchased a xponent, but i seriosuly did not like the feel of the unit. which is why i am 90% sure i am going to purchase a vestax vci…plus i did not like the torq interface…can someone say buggy?!

    http://www.prodigyfx.com/start.html

  • http://www.djtechtools.com Ean Golden

    <blockquote cite="#comment-104">Hmmm, I don't agree with some of the arguments. I think you should spend more time with Xponent to give it a proper judging. I've had both and publish a comparative on my site weeks ago, and although I had a much higher first impression with the VCI-100, there are clearly some values that make the Xponent too much better as a product then Vestax.

    We completely agree. Thats why we tried (but apparently not so well :-) to just do a side by side comparison of the actual features and not give our own personal opinion on the matter.

    <blockquote cite="#comment-104">

    - Vestax is on the streets for nearly 10 months (it was launched on february in japan, I did get mine a couple of months later). It has a very, very critical bug which Vestax acknowledges but isn't able to patch, abnd it will require you to go to service center to do that. In Brazil, we don't have ANY authorized service center. In fact, I don't remember if we got one n Latin America.

    this is true but only for the first series of models sold. Anyone that buys from here on out will not have that problem. i will be touring Brazil in January (perhaps I will bring my firmware cables and set up a VCI-100 firmware repair clinic with DR. Ean Golden!)

    <blockquote cite="#comment-104">

    - I think the mod you did for VCI-100 is brilliant, however I think you could reach far far more if you modded the Xponent, specially with midi settings. And then, as a reviewer, I think you should not take that bias — if the VCI-100 was so better, why would you mod it on the first hand? :)

    thats true but M audio wanted the Xponent back before I could tear it apart. Luck of the draw i guess! plus there is no way the xponent would ever fit those arcade buttons. They are way too deep.

    <blockquote cite="#comment-104">

    But I agree with the most part of the rest. Both controllers are very good and it's kinda difficult to tell which one's better. I've made it clear on mine:

    So, sorry if I'm being rude o something, I think it would be nice if you review your text to point this review as a personal opinion, and not the facts, because there are some facts being left out and some more personal dedication to one point or another.

    Just my 2 cents. Keep up the good work. love this blog.

    no rudeness, i really appreciate your constructive criticism. I encourage all readers to always boldly state their opinions (as we do a little too often)Especially when they are contrary to ours as thats starts some good discussions.

    brigado para seu bom post Dudu.

  • audiodestruction

    Awesome work as always. I think that both pieces of equipment are fantastic, for different things. I do not personally own a VCI but have had some hands on time and I feel that with the proper midi maps it can be an excellent tool for controllerism. On the other hand the XPONENT (which I own)is great for really creative, but relatively standard dj sets. When you get into modding either controller things get pretty blurry. It basically comes down to the best mod (which at this point has to be the arcade buttons you have done). I do a "breakcore" (god I HATE that term) style and think when I am djing my xponent will be my go to guy, but I am pretty sure I will be purchasing a VCI and some arcade buttons very soon for some live performance mayhem. Keep up the good work.

    *Duda P – I feel ya on the small safari font!

  • http://www.submusica.com Dudu P

    oh sorry for the bad spelling. the font at this comment field is too much small on safari.. :(

  • http://www.submusica.com Dudu P

    Hmmm, I don't agree with some of the arguments. I think you should spend more time with Xponent to give it a proper judging. I've had both and publish a comparative on my site weeks ago, and although I had a much higher first impression with the VCI-100, there are clearly some values that make the Xponent too much better as a product then Vestax.

    Please, consider the following:

    - Both are at the same street price. Xponent comes with a very good sound card and aditional midi inputs and a full fledged software. You can just open the box and play it right away. VCI-100 needs a pro' sound card and a software license, because Traktor 3 LE is a bad joke.

    - Vestax is on the streets for nearly 10 months (it was launched on february in japan, I did get mine a couple of months later). It has a very, very critical bug which Vestax acknowledges but isn't able to patch, abnd it will require you to go to service center to do that. In Brazil, we don't have ANY authorized service center. In fact, I don't remember if we got one n Latin America.

    - The pitch faders on the Vestax have a better feel, that's true, but they're way too short and even if you adjust your fine pitch range, it's still complicated to have some serious mixing (and I mean mixing track by using the pitch fader). Xponent's faders are loose as CDJ-100 (which I hate, but some people love it), but you can adjust it with a simple quick mod. And then you have a full featured pitch slider which allows you to mix and adjust things without nudging, which is bad if do very long mixes, specially with rich in detail sounds link drum and bass and techno.

    - I think the mod you did for VCI-100 is brilliant, however I think you could reach far far more if you modded the Xponent, specially with midi settings. And then, as a reviewer, I think you should not take that bias — if the VCI-100 was so better, why would you mod it on the first hand? :)

    But I agree with the most part of the rest. Both controllers are very good and it's kinda difficult to tell which one's better. I've made it clear on mine: in the comparative, I was just facing off the first impressions each one gave me. I still need to do a full review of Xponent, and that will come as soon I get a full couple of months with it, like I did with VCI-100.

    So, sorry if I'm being rude o something, I think it would be nice if you review your text to point this review as a personal opinion, and not the facts, because there are some facts being left out and some more personal dedication to one point or another.

    Just my 2 cents. Keep up the good work. love this blog.